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A Vintage Wedding Gown?!?!? Dare I alter it???

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    Zinzerena    April 14, 2012   Virginia

    WOW!!! I just discovered the gown that was given to me a few years ago is actually a vintage wedding gown that has been altered at least once. 

    Here's the background: My cousins owned a little thrift-type shop that took consignments.  The gown wasn't sold and the person never came back for it, so my cousins gave it to me to use whenever I get married.  I took it, figuring "what the heck, at least I won't have to look for one now!".  Also, I knew it could be altered. 

    I JUST looked at the tag that says "Int. Ladies Garment Workers Union".  I also just googled it and it's a vintage wedding gown!!!

    It's really GORGEOUS! 

    The shot of the bottom didn't turn out, but it's a LOT of lace and tulle with lace around the edges.  It's a VERY long train to it, too.  It's a size 8, so it'll need a little altering to take it in to fit me, but... I'm wondering if I should swap the zipper for a lace-up back to go with the underbust bustier I'm going to be wearing...

    Thoughts? Suggestions?  Should I leave it and just take it in or alter the back also?

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    MissAsB    June 6, 2009   Married in CO, Living in AL

    I don't think that dress would look good with a lace up back honestly.

     
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    Zinzerena    April 14, 2012   Virginia

    yeah.... you're probably right.  The more I look at these pictures, the more I'm thinking I should just have it taken in to fit me. 

    besides... zippered clothing is also easier to get in and out of ;)

     
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    MsInterpret    March 19, 2011   lesbian couple, married in Iowa, live in san antonio TX

    I agree.  I can see that dress with tiny buttons up the back though.  If it doesn't already have that look you could add "faux" buttons if you are looking for some back interest, but otherwise just have it altered to fit and IMO forget the lace up back. Wrong kind of dress for that.

    By the way, LOVE the sleeves and the net at neck, very romantic dress!

     
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    babebabe06    June 11, 2011   las cruces nm

    defint no lace up back only is you were to take the lace and sleeves off and make it with just the thin straps then yes, but that would take away from the original dress

     
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    Zinzerena    April 14, 2012   Virginia

    thanks for the replies!  I'm still a bit surprised it's vintage!  (which probably means I should get a dressbag to tuck it in instead of the large plastic bag it's folded up and shoved in... lol). 

    My FI likes the sleeves and neckline, and since we're having a fantasy wedding (and I mean fantasy as in anything found in fantasy/sci-fi movies & books lol) the vintage works perfectly. 

    I'd soooo love to know the actual value of the gown... anyone have any ideas on how to find that out???

     
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    Knubbsy-Wubbsy    July 30, 2011   Central Texas

    @Zinzerena: From a museum professional to-be I can tell you any alterations take away from the value of the dress from a historical stand point, though another bride may want it. I would not suggest contacting a local museum, or a textile museum for an apprasal, often there are policies in place that would not allow them to give you an estimate, however, they may be able to give you the contact information for someone who can (note: this often costs a fee of some sort.)

    The cheapest, fastest way is to search online for similar dresses by the same company in the same condition.

     

    I also vote against the lace up back because of the neckline in the back.

     
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    MsInterpret    March 19, 2011   lesbian couple, married in Iowa, live in san antonio TX

    @Zinzerena:  Best bet on finding out more about the gown's worth is to pore over the vintage clothing websites, also etsy and eBay and see similar dresses.  It looks late 60's or early 70's to me BUT I have only seen the topand thre's so much for me with regard to dating something that requires having it in my hands so I'm not as much help.  You can probably ask some vintage clothing sellers, esp. those who do lots of wedding or formal wear and they'll know more.  I used to sell a lot of vintage on eBay but more every day wear and more 40's / 50's.

     

     
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    Zinzerena    April 14, 2012   Virginia

    Thanks, ladies!! 

    I did a few quick searches on google images and shopping and have found dresses similar but not exact.  The other thing that has me puzzled is the little blue tag inside, sewn in two spots, that has "Lot 31" written on it in pencil. 

    The images that are similar are 70s and the base prices for similar dresses is between $129 & $195.  Not surprising, considering the economy.  Plus, vintage doesn't always mean expensive. 

    My FI has an uncle who might know, but not sure when I'll be seeing the uncle or aunt!

    I'll have to start flipping through the phone book to see if there is anyone who might have a good idea on the value of the gown. :)

    thanks again!!!!

     
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    Nexus-6    March 12, 2010   Portland

    Yeah, that dress looks late 60s early 70s at the oldest. All the lace appears to be synthetic material (you can tell by the "shine" of the fabric) which is why I hypothesize that it's not that old. 

    I'm not a professional, but I do have a degree in costume design and have spent lots of time handling vintage clothing and examining it up close.

     
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    Nexus-6    March 12, 2010   Portland

    Do you have a picture of the label? That would give a huge clue as to the age of the gown. 

     
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    Zinzerena    April 14, 2012   Virginia

    Thanks, Nexus-6. 

    I'm pretty sure it's been altered because of the way the sleeves have been changed.  They just don't seem as smooth as they should be.  Also, the sleeves have been obviously changed. 

    Here's a few more pictures of me wearing it.  My FI has already seen it (neither of us believes in superstitions) and he's who took the pics.

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    Nexus-6    March 12, 2010   Portland

    Hmm, now seeing the whole thing, it appears to be 1970s-1980s. From a distance the sleeves don't appear altered, that puffed sleeve is usually indicative of gowns from the 80s. See this photo: 

    A Vintage Wedding Gown?!?!?  Dare I alter it??? :  wedding gown altering suggestions vintage 1980s Bride

     
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    Zinzerena    April 14, 2012   Virginia

    O.M.G.!  That almost identical to the gown I have!!!!  The difference is the sleeves!  Here's a closeup of the sleeves.

    It's as though there is a cuff above the wrist, if that makes any sense.  Also, it has the little metal snaps instead of buttons. 

    thanks sooo much for your help, Nexaus! 

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    Nexus-6    March 12, 2010   Portland

    I did some more research (I find trying to track down and date vintage garments to be interesting) and here's a really comprehensive guide on ILGWU labels: http://reviews.ebay.com/Clothing-Labels-Union-Labels-ILGWU-Labels_W0QQugidZ10000000003230636 

     
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    stefanieastronaut    September 12, 2010   Chicago, IL

    For an idea on value:

    http://www.goantiques.com/detail,vintage-1960s-70s,2221994.html

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Womens-Vintage-1950s-ILGWU-Ivory-Lace-Wedding-Gown-10-/300443821344?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Vintage_Women_s_Clothing&hash=item45f3d8e520

     

    And also, I think you shouldn't be afraid of altering it. It's yours now... it's already amazing... and it would be super fun to add a fun, modern, unexpected twist.

     
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    Zinzerena    April 14, 2012   Virginia

    The tag points to it being made between 1974-1995.  Considering the underskirt and undergown (or whatever you want to call what's below the lace) has yellowed with age.  The style, I have to agree, appears more vintage than modern. 

    thanks for the links! 

    regardless, my beloved likes the gown how it is and I'm not gonna argue him on it.  I'll have a beautiful silver and black brocade-type underbust bustier and jewelry, so that should give it the fantasy-feel I want. 

     

     

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