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    almergele    April 2, 2011   Texas

    Our wedding is April 2nd and we're getting down to the wire! To save $, I've done everything from our STD's and stamps for those to our invitations myself... I recently saw all of the raves for Adobe Illustrator here on the hive and figured it might cut my time inhalf that I'm spending on the maps and response cards... Sooo, after the 6 hours it took to download the free trial of Adobe CS5 all of my excitement and optimism is now completely gone by the wayside- this program is overwhelming and I have found absolutely no basic start-up tutorial that doesn't go straight over my head!!! Im really not technologically challenged- I just dont even know where to begin!!! Any and all help is VERY much appreciated... I'm desperate and almost out of time here! P-p-p-please help=)

     
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    bellagio    October 1, 2011   Arizona

    Wow, hm... The easiest thing I could think for you that would help is to download templates from VistaPrint and get everything printed through them. Then at least you know your files will be formated correctly. You really just need to learn the tools and palettes if you don't want to do anything too crazy.

    Here is a blog post with a bunch of beginner's guides. :) If you have specific questions, it would be easier to help! ;)

     
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    bellagio    October 1, 2011   Arizona

    I also attached a screen shot of the tools palette. You use tools to create or select anything. Changes to what you create on your artboard is done through the other palettes.Adobe Illustrator CS5 for dummies desperately needed here :  wedding illustrator adobe cs5 map response rsvp diy Illustratortoolpallete If the tool has a little tab on it, it means you can hold down your mouse and similar tools will pop up under that tool category.

     
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    almergele    April 2, 2011   Texas

    Thanks bellagio, i'm headed to the blog now! Honestly, to be specific, what im trying to do now is learn how to create a vintage damask background on an antiqued looking paper for my rsvp cards... I know that has something to do with layering and is not a simple as good ol' cut and paste, etc.

    This is my inspiration:

    http://rlv.zcache.com/pixdezines_fidora_damask_rsvp_cards_invitation-p1616268188566941942517o_325.jpg

     
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    bellagio    October 1, 2011   Arizona

    @almergele: That would be much easier in Photoshop, TBH (if I'm understanding what you want to do). :/ Then you could Place the image in Illustrator if you really wanted. Photoshop is for photos, Illustrator is for points and paths (like logos or typography). You could try to find a picture of a damask wallpaper online. Or if you really want to use Illustrator, find a picture of damask online and trace it in Illustrator with the Live Trace tool.

    Do you have paper that you're printing on like that, or do you want to create the grungy paper? It's a lot harder to create that in Illustrator than Photoshop.

     
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    almergele    April 2, 2011   Texas

    So I guess illustrator would be best used for my map? Ive looked at all the diy map how-to's on here but they all seem to be a bit outdated- 2007... Would illustrator be good for programs? Maybe I downloaded the whole program for no reason... I managed to design our monogram, std's and invitations all on the image editor 2006 which we already had- it just took FOREVER!

    Adobe Illustrator CS5 for dummies desperately needed here :  wedding illustrator adobe cs5 map response rsvp diy OURM2

     
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    almergele    April 2, 2011   Texas

    So I guess illustrator would be best used for my map? Ive looked at all the diy map how-to's on here but they all seem to be a bit outdated- 2007... Would illustrator be good for programs? Maybe I downloaded the whole program for no reason... I managed to design our monogram, std's and invitations all on the image editor 2006 which we already had- it just took FOREVER!

    Adobe Illustrator CS5 for dummies desperately needed here :  wedding illustrator adobe cs5 map response rsvp diy OURM2

     
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    almergele    April 2, 2011   Texas

    I'd like to create the grungy paper... no ma'am, I do not have the paper myself and those response cards the link is for they actually print on a double-sided metallic paper, which I do have.

     
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    ribbons    June 12, 2010  

    For maps, a lot of bees had success using power point. I think Ballet Flat has a tutorial. But if you really want to try AI, get a book! I have a set of books for all of the Adobe products and they're very helpful. 

    AI has a huge learning curve; you're better off using less sophisticated software you understand (like Word) than trying to learn a whole new program and produce something under time constraints. 

     
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    bellagio    October 1, 2011   Arizona

    Illustrator would be best for the map, yes, but as @ribbons: mentions, you might have a hard time of it. It would be easier to just take a screenshot of the map from Google Maps or something. If you want to try your hand at the pen tool, it would just be a matter of tracing the major roads and then using the type tool to name the roads.

    I'll write up a quick how-to or find one for that grungy paper when I get a few minutes today. It's not too hard to do in Photoshop. :)

     
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    bellagio    October 1, 2011   Arizona

    Here's a quick Photoshop tutorial for the invite. :)

    1. Save old paper to your computer from SXC (this is a free stock photo site, and you'll need to create a free account). If you don't like old paper, just do a search for "antique paper" and you'll get some different results.
    2. Open old paper in Photoshop.
    3. Go to Select > All (or control/command A, depending if you're on a PC or Mac), then Edit > Copy (or control/command C).
    4. Create a new document the size you would like your invite to be. File > New. Your dimension can be whatever you want to cut it down to. Here are some standard invite envelope/enclosure sizes. Your resolution should be 300 for print.
    5. Go to Edit > Paste (or control/command V) to paste your old paper image into your new document.
    6. Go to Edit > Free Transform (or control/command T).
    7. You should now have a bounding box around the paper. Hold down Shift, click on the corner of the image, and drag out or in (depending on how large your document is). It will resize one side of the image. Press Enter to make it stick. Do the same thing to the opposite corner to resize the image the other way. If your paper image is larger than your document size and you can't see the corners, zoom out with control/command hyphen (-) and enlarge the window.
    8. Save any damask wallpaper image to your computer that you want to use. I used this one.
    9. Back in Photoshop, open your damask wall paper. Copy and paste it into your new document (#3 and #5). You may need to resize it with Free Transform (#6 and #7).
    10. In your Layers palette, notice that there are two layers now. One with a damask thumbnail and one with the old paper thumbnail. Click on the layer with the damask thumbnail.
    11. In the Layers palette, there is a dropdown box in the upper right that says "Normal". Click the dropdown and choose "Multiply".
    12. Beside the dropdown you just used, there is an Opacity box. Type 50 into this box and hit Enter.

     For the text:

    1. You've mostly been using the Move Tool at this point (the black arrow at the top of the tools palette). In the tools palette, click on the tool with the "T" icon near the bottom. This is the Text tool. Alternatively, you can press "t" on your keyboard.
    2. Click where you want your text to appear on the artboard, and begin typing. You can click and drag if you want your type in a boundary box.
    3. Notice that you have a new Text layer in your Layers palette. You can move any of the layers around by using the move tool, selecting the layer in the Layers palette, and click-dragging in the artboard.

    I hope that helped. It was a little longer than I expected. :)

     
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    azure6700    May 1, 2011  

    Re:the map. Hmm...Because of your deadline, I would say that learning both programs so soon could be overwhelming and maybe a little frustrating. I ended up just making most of my map (the lines) in Word by tracing over an existing map. Then I exported it as a PDF and placed it in Illustrator and did a live trace over it so that it could be a vector image (we were having them printed and I was worried that the lines weren't a high enough quality for the printer's specs). I did it this way because I just have the hardest time with drawing lines in Illustrator and didn't have time to get better at it, but Word is easy for me. I also used Illustrator for making the signs and symbols.

    But if you end up using Photoshop to make your invitations and you get comfortable with that program, you could totally make the majority of your map in Word and add text and whatnot in Photoshop. Just download the plug-in for Word that allows you to export documents as PDFs, then place it in Photoshop and add whatever else you need to.

    Or just do it all in Word, even. (I only moved mine to another program because I became obsessive about getting the street names to precisely follow the roads). But, come to think of it, I could've just printed out the basic lines and hand-written all the road names, landmarks, etc, then scanned that as the finished map. There's more than one way to skin a cat (gross, I know).

    Last suggestion--sorry, this is verbose--you could even do a hand-drawn map and scan it into your computer and embrace the imperfect look of it. I love the whimsical maps that people have made!

     
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    azure6700    May 1, 2011  

    Honestly, for now, just focus on the invitations design. The invites are the thing that (some) people will save. Do not make the same mistake that I did...spent way too much time on a bloody map insert when I know that most of the guests will use Google maps/blackberries/etc anyway ...Much as I want to think they will, I know they  won't carry it with them on the plane ride and use it to navigate their route to the wedding... oh well. :) At least I know my city like the back of my hand now!

     
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    msstilettoheels    August 6, 2011  

    Wow Bellagio! That was really nice of you to post that detailed tutorial! Awesome!

     
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    azure6700    May 1, 2011  

    @bellagio: Great tutorial. But I'm mainly writing to tell you that your avatar rocks! I admit to owning and loving Labyrinth.

     
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    bellagio    October 1, 2011   Arizona

    @azure6700: Haha, thanks. :) It was my favorite movie when I was a tween.

    @msstilettoheels: Hopefully it will help the OP or someone else! ;)

     
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    almergele    April 2, 2011   Texas

    bellagio- I'm starting right now... wish me luck! Just got registered with SXC so here goes nothin!!! Your turtorial seems so explanatory I'm not half as nervous as I was before! Wish me luck! Ill post the final product=)

     
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    bellagio    October 1, 2011   Arizona

    Good luck! Let me know if you run into any problems. :) I think Photoshop has a smaller learning curve than Illustrator, so I think you'll have an easier time of it.

     
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    almergele    April 2, 2011   Texas

    Quick question... how can I change the color of the damask to be a creamy white after I've changed the opacity?

     
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    almergele    April 2, 2011   Texas

    This is what our invitations look like...

    http://www.zazzle.com/pixdezines_fidora_vintage_damask_invitation-161014106423708704?rf=238531164126107638

     So this is my inspiration for our response cards, info. cards and maps. I may have bitten off more than I can chew.

     
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    bellagio    October 1, 2011   Arizona

    Let's see... I think you're going to have to actually make the damask layer a transparent background so that you can recolorize the damask. Multiply is only an effect. It literally multiplies the layer it's applied to to the layers below it, and it's difficult to change colors with effects applied.

    This might be too complicated, but here is how I would change the color of the damask.

    1. Make sure you have the damask layer selected. Select > All, then Edit > Copy the damask layer (control/command A, control/command C).
    2. In your layers palette, you should see a tab beside the Layers palette tab called Channels. Click on this tab. If you don't see the tab, go to Window > Channels.
    3. In the Channels palette, click on the third icon at the bottom that looks like a page with a tabbed corner. If you hover over it, it should say "create new channel" which is what we're doing.
    4. Your new channel should be called something like "Alpha 1". With white selected as your foreground color (click on the top box of the two overlapping boxes at the bottom of the Tools palette and select white), go to Edit > Fill... > Foreground color. This will make your alpha channel white.
    5. Paste your copied damask into this channel. You may need to move the damask pattern to where you want it with the Move tool (black arrow in the Tools palette). Deselect the damask pattern once you've got it where you want it by going to Select > Deselect (or control/command D).
    6. Invert the colors by going to Image > Adjustments > Invert (or control/command I). You should now have a white damask pattern on a completely black background in the channel.
    7. Holding down control (PC) OR command (Mac) click on the thumbnail of your damask channel (Alpha 1). Your damask pattern should now be a selection, shown by the "marching ants".
    8. Click back on your Layers tab. In the Layers palette, click on the third icon at the bottom that looks like a page with a tabbed corner. If you hover over it, it should say "create new layer" which is what we're doing.
    9. Your damask should still be selected (marching ants). Change your foreground color to the color you want your damask to be. Go to Edit > Fill... > Foreground color to fill your damask selection with your chosen color. Deselect your damask (control/command D).
    10. Delete your original damask layer in your Layers palette by dragging the layer to the trash can in the lower right corner of the Layers palette.

    After all this, you can change the layer to Multiply again or change the opacity if you wish; it will have a different effect now that it's a color.

    If you want to easily recolor your damask as well now, below the "Normal" drop down, you will see a "Lock" label and a few icons. You can click the first icon to "lock" transparency on your damask layer and Edit > Fill... any color, and it will only recolor your damask since this whole process made the background transparent. :)

    It's possible to do the graphic you posted, but it requires a lot of masking and effects. If you figure out how to do the tutorial above easily (or at least without tearing your hair out), you should be able to recreate the invite you posted. They basically used a brown damask with a transparent background, mulitiplied it over the antique paper, then used a layer mask on the damask to create the vignette effect.

     
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    bellagio    October 1, 2011   Arizona

    After writing all this, I realize it might just be easier if you purchase the background since that is what you are really looking for. For $10 or $15 you can purchase the background, then just paint over the top of it with a soft brush to create the vignette look. Damask, antique backgrounds at istockphoto.

     
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    almergele    April 2, 2011   Texas

    Is there a particular one you would recommend?

     
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    almergele    April 2, 2011   Texas

    By the way, bellagio, thank you so much for that tutorial! You have been more helpful than you know!!!!!

     
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    bellagio    October 1, 2011   Arizona

    No problem. This is what I do all day, and it's much more fun in the context of weddings. ;)

    This one looks really close to the invite you're using for inspiration. Before you purchase it, save the preview image and fiddle with it. You can use the eyedropper tool to select the color of the paper (the cream), then choose a brush with a soft edge and just paint in the middle, then write your text on top of it. It may give you the effect you're looking for without all the hassle of recreating everything.

     
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    bellagio    October 1, 2011   Arizona

    I also just realized I may be misunderstanding what you mean by recolorizing the damask. If you just want to make the center of the damask disappear so that the paper shows through, you can make a mask on the damask, by adding a layer mask to the damask layer and painting on it.

    1. With your damask layer active, click the bottom button in the layers palette that is a circle in a square (to the right of "fx"). This adds a layer mask to your layer (you will see the new blank thumbnail beside your artwork thumbnail in the layer).
    2. Alt (PC) or Option (Mac) click on the blank layer mask thumbnail. Your image will turn white (you are now viewing the layer mask).
    3. Paint with a black brush with soft edges on this layer mask.
    4. Click the thumbnail of the artwork to preview your mask applied to the artwork. What you painted on your mask should show as a transparency on the artwork.

    You can use any of the methods I'm suggesting; it's really just whatever you find easiest.

     
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    almergele    April 2, 2011   Texas

    I just recently stumbled on an even bigger problem than I've had with the DIY stuff- I had no clue when I ordered the invitations that the envelopes were impossible to fit response card/envelopes into. The invitation envelopes are 5.25x5.25 which according to zazzle there is no corresponding response card option. The only thing I can now think of is designing the rsvp's as postcards. After looking at various postcards all were at least 6" until I saw a second ago USPS will mail postcards the size 3.5x5... Any clue?

     
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    almergele    April 2, 2011   Texas

    this is from usps.com

     

    To qualify for First-Class Mail card prices, a card must be:

    • Rectangular
    • At least 3-1/2 inches high X 5 inches long X 0.007 inch thick
    • No more than 4-1/4 inches high X 6 inches long X 0.016 inch thick

    Length is the longest dimension parallel to the address.
    Oversized cards will be charged as a letter or large envelope depending on the size.

     
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    bellagio    October 1, 2011   Arizona

    3.5" x 5" should be fine (I think that is the minimum size to qualify for postcard rate).

    The big thing to be sure you do on postcards is make sure the paper is thick enough (100 lb. should be fine, but some of the 80lb weight card stocks don't make the .007" thickness minimum). Also, on the back of the postcard, the recipient's address and the bottom of the postcard need to be clear of any graphics. The best thing to do is design it as best you can with the specifications in mind, then mail it to yourself to see if it gets through. :)

     
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    almergele    April 2, 2011   Texas

    Does it matter which size I download? Is there much of a difference between the large and extra-lg?

     
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    bellagio    October 1, 2011   Arizona

    They're just larger. It looks like you might be able to get away with the Medium size if you're only doing the postcard size. If you're using it for something larger, I'd probably go with at least Large just to be safe. :) Because it's a distressed artwork and pretty grungy, it would probably scale up fairly well (to a point) without losing quality.

     
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    almergele    April 2, 2011   Texas

    So if I end up using the image for our programs, menus, etc the large would definitely be worth it, right?

     
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    bellagio    October 1, 2011   Arizona

    Yeah, if you're doing it for multiple things, I'd just get the large or even extra large version, then you're safe. It's only a few dollars more.

     
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    coffeegal85    August 11, 2012   Ohio

    @bellagio - Thanks for taking the time to write this up.  I'm not the oringial poster, but it'll help me too :)  I am just starting to use photoshop - my fiance thinks that it'll be too hard for me to use.  What FI doesn't know is that there are all these wonderful bees to help me learn :)

     
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    bellagio    October 1, 2011   Arizona

    No problem! I hope it helps you. Photoshop isn't too hard to pick up for basic things. :) PM if you need any help.

     
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    Zinzerena    April 14, 2012   Virginia

    One quick tip that might not have been mentioned: if your image is SMALLER than what you want, you can right click on that layer on the layer palette and click on "convert to smart object".  You can then "ctrl T" or choose "free transform" from the menu and enlarge it.  There will be some pixalation depending on how large you make it, but it won't be AS BAD.

    Heh... I'm usually too busy to do tutorials, so I usually just do this stuff myself and post it on here.  

    Kudos to bellagio for doing this!!!!!

     

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