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I think most people know that our second child is likely to be adopted. We are thinking about undertaking the beginning of that journey now. Is anyone else on that road right now? I'd love to travel that road with whoever is on it, but don't know if there is anyone else there too on Weddingbee. Please shout out on this thread or in a PM if you are. I'd love to have a critical mass of us!
We will be! Just discussing if we want to start right away or take a little time since our TTC journey was long and difficult. Plus I'm doing research on private attorneys and foster care adoption. We know for sure we will not be going through a private agency.
While I'm not to that point yet (we will be, we're just not ready for kids) I have a recommendation. There is a site called Baby Jelly Beans (I think) that my parents used to document their journey adopting my youngest sister. It's got a LOT of different types of stories you can read and even have your own so your family and friends (and other bees!) can read about it.
I'm really excited to follow your journey, bees! Hopefully, you'll keep this thread up to date so the rest of us can follow along with you.
@MissGreen: We have been mostly looking at agency adoptions rather than attorney. I think attorney is great if you want more control over the process (which knowing me would be true!), but I am concerned that we don't have the time and emotional self-control to deal with scams or being aggressive with self-marketing.
What are your reasons for wanting to avoid agency?
@AmeliaBedelia: We'll check it out!
@Mrs. Spring: Thanks! All encouragement is welcome as this seems like a long difficult road. But hey, life is full of all different kinds of challenges, right?!
There are higher legal risks, not to mention costs with an agency. First with an agency, parental termination of rights is done in private at the agency. You can have a lawyer present on your behalf but the birthparents may not have access or financial means to an attorney and things could go wrong and overturn the adoption. With a private attorney, everything is done through the probate court in front of a judge and both birth parents and adoptive parents have attorney representation. Also, with attorneys, the adoptive parents have direct placement and custody through the whole process. With an agency, they have the legal rights to the child and can remove the child from your home as they see fit during the process before the adoption is final. If something does go wrong
and they remove the child, they then choose the next arrangements for the child as they see fit without any consultation from the birthparents. They have no legal obligation to contact the birth mom in this case and I feel that is deceiving to them. The amount of clients being handled is another issue. With am attorney we are talking to, his practice will only work with 15 couples at a time. Now while this may cause a wait, a social worker can gave a much larger case load at an agency and couples can run the risk of slower process due to the high volume of cases. Finally is the cost. Agencies have fees on top of what adoptive patents usually cover i.e. Medical, Legal & Court. An agency additional fees can be up to an additional 10,000. Now with an agency alot of that fees gies to researching and finding a family for you, while with an attorney you have to put yourself out there. Make web pages, promote yourself and look on your own too. I feel it gives yourself more freedom and options. Private attorney adoptions range from $8,000-$14,000 while agency ranges are $20,000-$30,000. I feel with attorneys not only are you more protected but so is your birth mom and for someone like me that wants a fully open adoption, her rights and safety are just as important as ours.
Now we are also looking at foster care which is a total different process from either scenario above! However, I almost was placed in foster care as a child and afterwards grew up with a family that worked with foster children and with CPS, so my heart is there. Plus we are highly interested in sibling pairs and there is more of a chance with that happening through the system. We are still weighing out our options!
We think using the foster to adopt system is a wonderful thing! My niece is a foster to adopt child who landed in my sister's home at 6 weeks of age. They were offered her brother 18 months later in order to keep siblings unified. It really was a seamless process for them.
As for the attorney only process, I agree that it is somewhat less expensive, but not as much as you are stating (not trying to be contentious at all, just trying to make sure that I know everything that I need to). There was a recent survey that compares the costs of the two processes. (Scroll down to cost comparison). It really depends on the billable hour cost of your attorney. http://www.adoptivefamilies.com/articles.php?aid=2161
I completely agree with you about the ethics issue, and it's actually been a huge concern for us (the main reason we decided to go domestic instead of international)... Utah is especially problematic because birthfather rights are extremely limited here, so they can just fly a birthmom in and terminate his rights by Utah standards. We refuse to let that happen, so we'll either work with an agency outside the state or make sure the agency we work with will work to our ethical standards... That is, of course, if we decide agency is right for us. We're definitely only looking at not-for-profits that give back to the community!
Great discussion!
my husband and I have adopted 4 children. All of ours are done through social services though.
I understand! I'm going off the costs 3 different attorneys and 2 agencies have given us that we've actually spoken to. The 3 attorneys we talked to had an average of about $14,000 but of course that cost can go higher depending on how long your process is and how one bills. Sone attorneys do bill per hour and some have a flat fee. It also varies if the birthmom has medical coverage of her own or through the state. If none, that cost is passed to you. I'm in Ohio and I'm sure costs vary by state and situations. I'm finding the same issue with birth father rights! It's like they aren't even a factor, so sad!
@shedayz: You are a wonderful inspiration for me! I would love to hear your story! Are any of them siblings?
I'm not down this road yet but I'm very interested in the process. We're still weighing our options as to how we want to adopt (private, foster-to-adopt, embryo). Good luck!!!
Just wanted to echo @MrsSpring's thoughts - wishing all of you the best of luck, and hope you update us as you go about your journey. I wish all of you a not-too-difficult road and a wonderful family at the end! My husband and I hope to adopt our 2nd.
First off, I am always so impressed with families who are going the adoption route! I think it is an amazing way to build a family. We are not planning on it at this point, but our nephew was adopted from Guatemala - and his older sister is a bio child. It is lovely to see how the family is just like any other and how the parents' love is no different between the two. Happy to share anything about what I have learned as an aunt to these two kiddos (and some of the challenges my nephew is facing as he is getting older).
Good luck to everyone!!
@MissGreen: My now 17 year old daughter was placed with us when she was 2. She was already surrended for adoption when she was placed with us, but she has special needs so we had to do a medical foster to adopt. Once we had shown that we could deal with her issues we were approved to adopt. After that we had 2 bio kids. then we accepted placement of a child in PICU (he was 5 months old) who was not expected to live. We did so because there was no way in hell we would leave a child to die alone. We visited every day (all of us) and after a month he began to recover. We were told he would be blind, deaf and wheel chair bound. We continued with placement because we had all grown to love him after so many hours spent in PICU rocking him, singing to him, and begging the universe not to take such a gentle soul. He came home after 3 months in PICU and he was not cleared for adoption, so we were looking at a foster situation. A year into the foster, his bio parents gave up their rights and his other biological family members didn't want him. So, we put in for adoption! He is 9 years old now, and he is disabled, but he is our joy! then, we got the twins! They are now 5 and were placed with us at 2. They were cleared for adoption from the get go but WE were not supposed to be their adoptive parents. Their adoption fell through and we were asked if we wanted to apply for adoption. Of course, after so long with us, and their full integration into our family it was impossible to say no. We also have a biological son who is 18.
So, 7 kids for us. 4 adopted, 3 bio. WE LOVE THIS FAMILY!!! I don't regret a single day of it :)
@shedayz: What an amazing family you all are! Thank you so much for sharing your story and for adopting those children!!!
@Jenn23: truly, it's been my pleasure. they are all wonderful children :)
My husband and I are beginning the walk to road. We're currently researching adopting slightly older children from the foster care system in a few years.
I'd love to hear more stories from people who have gone this route. In a perfect world, we would love to adopt a sibling group of 3-5 children.
Interviewing agencies is such a trip... If anyone is interested in agency adoption, I'm happy to share the questions that we are asking each one.
For those of you that have, or are thinking about adoption, I think that's great. FI have always talked about adoption when and if we start a family, and I would be interested to hear about other peoples' real life experiences.
Ok, so at the risk of sounding really lame, I made a spreadsheet so I could ask all the same questions to each agency:
Cost
# children placed/yr
#Af-American/ biracial (we're looking at a transracial adoption)
How long is the average wait?
What happens to money paid if situation doesn't work out?
Ethics- Birthfather rights
Birthmother supports?
How do they obtain medical info?
Any overturned adoptions? Why?
Adoptive parent requirements (age, religion, health, income?)
Whose homestudies do you accept?
Do you have an annual report that we can view?
Here is a list I was given that has some detailed questions if anyone is interested. I also have an attorney list of questions if anyone wants those too.
Hope this and MRS. DG list helps someone:
How long have you've been doing adoptions?
Is license in good standing (Check with the board yourself as well)?
Non-Profit or For-Profit?
Types of children you place?
How many adoptive placements have you made?
How many children in the past year? Newborns?
Any restrictions on who can adopt?
How long will it take to have our homestudy approved?
If not approved, can we find out why?
How often does the homestudy need to be updated/reviewed? (Usually only good for 6-9 months)
Do you require foster care for children?
Average wait time between homestudy and placement. What happens if we do not accept a match?
Who has custody of child during transition/waiting for adoption approval?
Total cost of adoption from beginning to end?
What costs are not covered?
If the adoption is contested, do these fees cover that?
How many of your cases have been challenged?
Can I talk with families who've adopted with your agency?
Are there support groups/training classes offered?
Who counsels the birthparent?
Do the birthparents have a seperate attorney?
Who chooses the BP counselor?
When does BP attorney get involved-Early in process or when papers are needing to be signed?
Who chooses BP attorney-Agency or BP?
Are the adoptive parents allowed to have an attorney present when rights are surrendered to ensure safety and protocol is followed?
Where does BP sign permanent surrender papers? Agency, In private or in Probate Court?
Have you read Mrs. Sushi's blog? She's working towards adopting: http://amiyourmother.wordpress.com/
I'll have to go check it out.
Let the paperwork begin! We've selected our agenc(ies)... Yeah we're going with TWO agencies...
There is so much paperwork to do just to get ready for the homestudy that I'm trying to spend just a few minutes on it every night. We have to stay on track because for my work, we have to plan more than a year in advance... so we have a narrow window to complete an adoption if I want to have a "maternity leave".
I just keep telling myself that paperwork and background checks are fun!
We are doing preliminary research on it, but it is still too early to 100% rule out another bio kid. While I probably can get pregnant again, I don't think it would be good for my body. I'm still having a lot of "issues" from having CoWboy in August. I'm hoping that if we do adoption I could still maybe breastfeed some, since I've done it before!
Edit: even if we have another bio kid, we are still hoping to foster and/or adopt after we are done having bio kids, so the research will be good either way and is why we are preliminarily leaning towards foster to adopt
@Mrs. DG: Wow, Mrs. DG, you're moving right along! I'm so excited for you. :) Can you believe you're going to have another baby in a year?! It's so exciting! Good luck on completing your paperowkr; I'm sure you'll pass with flying colors.
@Mrs. Spring: Ha ha, I can only hope it will be so easy for us. We're prepared for road blocks and issues to come up, and still have to be picked by a birthmom. Who knows how long it might take!? We'll see if we hit the year target. It will be interesting!
@cannotwait: Sorry to hear you are still having issues from CoWboy's birth. I definitely do not want to lose the work time that would happen with having another child biologically, though we probably *could* do it without too many problems. Cecilia's placenta was just a big dodged bullet and we don't want to go through something like that again. We got lucky once and we're not going to push that luck!
@Mrs. DG: How exciting! Good luck :) Did you choose two agencies just to widen your pool of potential birthparents or some other reason?
@Mrs. DG: Congrats and Good Luck!
We have decided to go through the Foster Care system for our adoption. We've decided that we will probably start the process in late August/Early fall bc we need some time to recover from the infertility. I wish you guys all the best!
@MerryC: The two agencies that we decided to go with both encourage cross-listing with both. Neither requires any fees up front until you match so we won't be out any extra cash. Whoever we match with first gets the fees. Each agency has a different pool of birthmoms, so it will increase our chances of getting picked and hopefully decrease our wait time.
@MissGreen: the foster system is a wonderful way to go! I wish you the best in your de-stressing recovery time!
@MissGreen: Congrats on making a decision! Enjoy your down time, and keep us posted :)
@Mrs. DG: Wow, that's awesome that there are no fees until matched!
@MissGreen: @Mrs. DG: Congrats on the progress to both of you! Very exciting!
I just wanted to share a positive adoption story I heard this weekend. I met a woman yesterday who was in the process of foster/adopting two babies (9 months and 11 months). The 11 month old (little girl) was placed with her and her husband at just over 2 months of age; they are in the final stages of completing the adoption right now. The 9 month old (little boy) was placed with them at 2 days (so both the babys came into their house within days of each other); they are still just fostering him, but hope to adopt after the last few custody hearings they have with his bio dad.
The mom and dad were so positive about their experience. They couldn't have biological children due to fertility issues, and they were said they were so blessed to get two children they could love. It was so encouraging to hear the mom talk about her babies, and see how much the babies love her and her husband. I just wanted to share their "success" story because I'm hoping for the same positive expereince for all of you adoptive bees. :) Good luck! I'm looking forward to your updates!
We're having our homestudy in a couple of weeks. Any words of wisdom from those who have gone through it?
I'm very interested in the process as well. Looking forward to hearing more about it.
@Mrs. DG: I don't have any wisdom but wish you and your husband good luck! It's exciting from my perspective seeing all of this, I hope you're able to continue updating us along the way.
@beekiss: We kind of question ourselves daily. After a long day with a 13 month old, we're like "what are we thinking?"... but then we think about giving Cecilia the gift of a sibling and it all seems worth it.
We've completed our (45 question!) questionnaire that asks everything from "What's the layout of your house" to "How is the intimacy in your marriage" (wow... I didn't think they'd go there!) We're in the process of getting letters of recommendation, getting our medical stuff done, and getting the federal background check.
What amazes me is that all this stuff is only the first step. We then have to start working on Dear Birthmom letter and photopages and probably a whole bunch of other stuff that I don't even know yet!
@Mrs. DG: Just chiming back in - before adopting my sister, my mother did case studies for several different agencies and places (Child Services, a few private agencies) and that's how she learned more about adoption (besides the fact that she herself was adopted).
I asked her for you - her words of wisdom as far as your home visit: Be yourself, be honest and upfront, and don't be afraid to ask your own questions. Be honest about your concerns with adoption or the process itself. Be comfortable. And make your agent comfortable as well - clean home, pets behaving (if you have them), that type of thing. She says it can be really awkward when there are huge dogs that are all over the place while trying to have a meeting. If you have prepared a nursery room, don't be afraid to show it off or talk about your favorite aspects, hopes, etc.
On another note, I remember when he had our home visits for my sister. She is considerably younger than myself and my brothers (She's 7, bros are 14 and 17, I'm 21). And I remember the agent coming, touring our home, asking us how we felt about adoption and what we knew about it, if we were excited to get a little sister, etc. This was about 5 years ago.
Good luck and happy thoughts to everyone that is considering or going through this process - it is admirable. :) We hope to do it as well someday.
@Mrs. DG: I'm a little surprised about the intimacy question. Very exciting though to see progress on your adoption!
I was curious and if this is too personal, just ignore the questions. My Fiance and I have discussed that when we adopt, do we want to adopt an older child, toddler, or baby? My Fiance holds the thought that he'd prefer to adopt a child that is younger than or about the same age as our current child(ren) so that he has experience with those particular age groups prior to adoption. I was wondering if you and your husband are aiming for a particular age group and how you decided? or if you're going to decide along the way? And does the adoption agency ask you on that questionaire what your preferences are in terms of age?
@beekiss: I know your question wasn't to me, but I'll answer anyway. :) Generally it's recommended that you do go younger than your current children because it causes less confusion in roles and understanding. Plus, if your current children are older, they can help the new child to adapt better. And yes, they definitely ask you your preference for a lot of things. Age, race, whether you are okay with a child with disabilities or birth defects (how severe) etc.
Wow, Mrs. DG, moving right along! I hope your home visit goes well in a couple weeks. It sounds like you've done a lot of work already, but it's a really important step in the process. Good luck!
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