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Ok so up until Friday My FI and I were the only 2 people paying for our wedding. My Future Mother in law had previously promised us to pay for the expensive venue that she wanted us to have instead of the simple wedding we wanted. She never came through on her end of the deal and we ended up paying for a church that cost us $4000 just to rent. INSANE! Since then I became very irritable with her. She has told us since day one that there would be absolutely NO alcohol at our wedding "Be this is a chirstian wedding", she would say.
Stop right there - My father use to be a pastor. I am a christian, but why the hec can't I have alcohol at my own wedding? Frustrated I began to plot. The reception hall is gorgeous. Normally people that get married there set up the bar in a sun room area that is right next to where everyone dines. I spoke to our caterer and told him that I would like to move it ourside in the court yard (Weather permitting). I also concluded that my family nor my FI'S family were big drinkers, it would be primarily for our friends. That being said I didnt order a huge amount of beer and wine.
So this past Friday my Fi's mom told us at lunch that she has decided to put $4000 toward the wedding. Shocked, My first thought was oh Shi* lol. If she pays for some of the wedding that means she has a right in saying what goes on. She is very stern in her ways. She even made the comment "I'm so glad it's not going to be a drunk feast". Now I am put in a sticky situation because I have it all played out in my head that my friends will be able to have an awesome time. We have a flippin awesome band and now I feel like its just gonna suck for the people who are social drinkers if we dont have a bar.
As I lay in bed last night my FI rolls over to me and says that maybe I should rethink the whole bar since his mom is helping. UGHHHHHHHHHH. It's gottten so bad I Have been trying to think of ways around it. I even came up with an idea that someone decided to help us purchase the bar as a gift lol. Lame I know but Im running out of time and options. I need some advice!!!!
Its still your wedding and just becasue she contributes some money does not mean she has a say. If the money is for the church limit her input to the ceremony. Or just dont take the money.
Oh and a christian wedding does not mean i has to be dry. A lot of christians drink. And your guests that dont want to drink can chose not to.
It's YOUR wedding, not your FMIL's wedding. She doesn't get to put her foot down about anything, no matter how stern she is.
This is something that your FI should talk to her about. You guys made the decision together to have a bar, right? He needs to stand up to her and stick by your decisions, as a couple.
I would highlight to her that it's beer and wine, not hard liquor. So it will not be a "drunk fest" but it is a celebration and most people celebrate with drinks.
First off, it is your wedding. Have what you want. Politely inform FMIL that because she did not produce the $4,000 in a timely manner you went on with your planning and it does include a bar. If you don't think you are able to do that or that she won't accept that, don't take her money. You were no longer expecting it. Go on as if she had not made her announcement at lunch. Tell her that you are appreciative of her offer but you really want to do things your way.
If you let her take control now, be prepared for her controlling things in the future.
I would still have the bar. First of all, do you actually have the money from her? Because she's promised money before and has backed out, so unless the money is physically on your accounts right now, then there's a chance she could back out again. And secondly, just because she's giving money doesn't mean she gets to dictate your wedding choices. Can she offer input? Absolutely! But at the end of the day, it's not her wedding. It's yours, and it sounds like you want a bar so you and your friends can enjoy your wedding with a few drinks (totally understandable!). I don't think you want to look back on your wedding with regrets, and in a few years, she probably won't even remember the details of your wedding all that well. You will, so you should plan a wedding that will leave you with lots of happy memories.
And I totally agree that the whole "Christians don't drink" line of thought is total garbage. My dad is also a pastor, and my parents both love a good drink at the end of the night! Plus there's that whole "water in wine" passage in the Bible.....
It wouldnt be so bad if she wouldnt have hated me since day one. When she finds out we have a bar "Fits gonna hit the Shand" ha. I think people should have an option if they want to drink or not. If we don't take the money that means were gonna be in a bind. I don't know how else we would be able to afford it. What do you think about opening the bar at a later time. It would give people a chance to eat dinner and hopefully some of them will leave (older people). Plus that means people will start drinking later so they will have less of a chance to get really drunk. Reception starts at 6 so I was thinking about opening it at 7. Is that a bad idea? Even though she will still be angry.
Like the PP's have said, it's your wedding not your FMIL's. Your wedding is in 2 months and she's just now offering up the money that you could have used months ago. There is absolutely no need to change your plans to accomidate her. If she doesn't want to drink then she doesn't have to drink but that is no reason for you or your alcohol loving friends to not be able to.
I would seriously consider not accepting the money at all. You've planned without it. Of you think this is going to turn into a $$ = input issue, letting her know you've handled the financial aspect of the wedding might decrease the family drama.
I agree with previous posts - it is your wedding. I think it is important to set boundries early with in-laws and letting her use $$ to dictate what your party will include/exclude is not good.
I would say thanks, but no thanks to her 4k and have your party your way.
AND - i am also Christian who enjoys beer & wine :-)
Does your FI drink? He really should be the one to handle his mom in this. Does your FFIL drink? Can he talk to your FMIL about it?
I agree that it is you and your FI's wedding, and you should have what you want. :)
It sounds like you can afford everything without her gift. I would tell her that you are having a bar, but limiting it to beer and wine (if you are) and if it really upsets her she does not need to give you money for the wedding, but it is what you and FI decided to do.
I have never understood the whole "i'm christian, so i don't drink" line of thinking. WWJD? Turn water into wine so the guests could enjoy themselves.
I would decline your FMIL's offer of financial assistance and keep the bar.
I'm normally all about those who are paying having final say, but this situation is different. She waited soooo long to help you financially that she has no say whatsoever - you have already planned everything.
Let her know that there will be a bar and let her decide whether or not to contribute. If this means you are really strapped financially, maybe there is another area you can cut back on?
everybody sees what they are looking for...she is looking for "defects" on your wedding and the devil in everything... I have the same issue with my FI s family!!... have a nice calmed chat, first with your FI and he HAS to suport your decision, then with your mother in law to basically but off YOUR wedding (of course in a polite way hehe =P)
reasons to have a bar:
-The Canaan Wedding
-The Last Supper
-In the last 2 reasons you have wine in a celebratory and divine way, as I said before you can find the black thread in the white glove... if you want to; for me the right way is the middle way...not throwing your life to the garbage because of alcohol (or any adiction) and not seeing the devil even in the eyes of a baby.
-ok the Bible says that its not ok to give alcohol to others to get them drunk, but in that part I think is about giving others the tools to their own doom...could be anything...even a mean intentioned advice. And if you are going to be that literal about that part...it says nothing about ecstasy or acid trips...so you could have a heroin themed wedding!
¿¿¿??? (just to be clear im being sarcastic in the last part)
-Everybody has their own road or mission in this life...Benito Juarez said "en el respeto al derecho ajeno esta la paz"...You can find the peace respecting the others "right to" and others respecting your "right to". When she has her wedding or party you will let her be too.
Be diplomatic and inteligent with her, make her know that you come from a place of love and respect and you mean nothing but happiness to others.
You should defenitly "win" this one.
You say if you don't take the money you won't be able to afford it, but what's changed from when you thought she wasn't contributing? Is there any way you could find a cheaper church to get married in?
I would say it's your wedding, and you should have alcohol if you want it there. Also, she said she'd give you money before then didn't, so it's possible the same will happen again and you won't be offered the $4000 anyway.
about the money...if its a gift, its a gift!! if you and your FI decide to burn it or buy a pink unicorn or use it as toilet paper its you decision!!!! if she wanted you to used on something specific she should have done it on the proper time or way. If the gift is money then money it is...if the gift its actually the rent of the church it would be that...but is not, is just extra money now. Dont feel guilty about that!
I don't understand the whole "christian = no alcohol" thing. Didn't Jesus turn water into wine at a wedding?!
Sorry, I know this doesn't help you at all, but I've never understood that. (I'm not Christian myself, so I'm sure there are theological issues that I don't know about, but no one's ever explained it to me.)
It's your wedding, not hers. No one is forcing anyone to drink something they don't want, so that argument is moot.
You have to do what you and FI want and he can let his mom know.
She does not have to drink if she does not want to.
There is nothing wrong with letting your friends having the choice to drink.
@sunflower8 - HAHAHAHAHA. That was pretty dang funny. You're all right. If she "is" giving us the money then it should be as a gift without any reason to change what I want. We have went round after round before on certian things and I try so hard to bite my tounge at all of her blunt statements she makes with no regaurd if she hurts my feelings. I guess its time I put my foot down about everything. Honeslty this isn't just about the wedding anymore. I'm sick of the way she treats my fiance and me and anyone else that crosses her path of fury just because she doesn't like something. Besides there's about to be a New Mrs. B in town :)
She is going to be pissed off either way, I would just have it open the whole time. And you can tell her that since the church she wanted costs 4,000 and that is how much she wants to contribute, you are putting it towards the church and she can have her say over the ceremony. Not the reception!
@CandiedCotton: oh you go, girl!!! yes, make this your moment to take a stand and let her see that you are not a woman to be messed with!! woo hoooo!!! you are going to have to deal with this lady for a long, long time so set some ground rules now. Now go kick some ass! :)
I agree with the other ladies. It's your wedding... have it the way you like it or you'll regret it in the future.
Even if your FI suggests otherwise, ask him if he will always want his mom to have a say in every major life decision you have. You are starting your own family. You need to have the say final say in your own decisions.
Trust me, my father ALWAYS listened to my grandmother while I was little. My parents bought a rundown in a bad neighborhood even though my mom was against it. They fought but ultimately she couldn't argue with my father because my grandma contributed a little bit to the down payment. What they didn't know was that she made a deal with the realtor to get commission on buying a used house. The other option was paying a little bit more for a new house that was in the process of getting built in a very good neighborhood. This was only one of the major things she had a say in and like a good daughter-in-law my mom just took it. Their marriage and my childhood would've probably been way better if my grandmother hadn't been giving her input on major decisions.
IF she gifts you $4000 like she said (but dont hold your breath) then that means shes paid for the church that she wanted and doesnt mean she can dictate to you on other plans - keep the bar if you/your FI want it. personally i wouldnt have a function without providing alcohol to my guests and i dont even drink
There are some very conservative Christian churches that do not allow drinking. Just like there are some that look down on gambling or women wearing pants. Every church has their own rules. Your MIL may be thinking of one of these.
But still, I think you should go ahead with your plans. She can't keep dangling the money there and expecting you to jump around and change everything.
hehe thanks...now your FI has to realize that the woman in his life is no longer his momy ;)
What got me is when you FI said "you should reconsider the bar" Someone needs to be able to sick up for their future wife and not their mother!
So A: tell your FI to grow a freaking backbone and
B: tell your future headache in law "Thank you but no thank you" You were already planning on paying it by yourself so yes a gift would be nice but a monetary munipulation is never nice no matter how much money it is.
I think you should just tell her that you want a bar (both you and your FI, it shouldn't be only YOU who approches her about this). If your FMIL then refuses to give you any money, that's her choice.
I'm Christian and I never understood the idea that drinking is some horrible thing. Yes, being so drunk that you do stupid crap and puke everywhere is sinful in a way, but having a few drinks responsibly at a party is perfectly fine, imo.
this is the only poll I've ever seen on here with more than 5 votes that was a 100% one sided! SO AWESOME! stand up for yourself girl!!
Okay, I didn't read the rest of the responses, so someone else may have said this but this is where I would have said "Jesus turned water to wine, so lighten up."
I think whatever decision you make needs to be a comfortable one for both you and your fiance. I don't think your FMIL should be dictating every decision you make for the wedding, particularly if she hasn't actually given you the money yet. Perhaps ask your fiance to sit down and talk with his mother about the situation and explain that while you appreciate the help she's offering their will be alcohol (not that she is paying for it) and that won't change with her help.
I know my parents insisted that not a dime of their contribution be spent on alcohol, though their primary concern was that they didn't want people getting drunk and behaving poorly. I'm with most of the other ladies here, you can still have a Christian wedding with alcohol (I know I am)!
Well, since someone asked... me being, me wanted to explain. I'm Baptist (save the rotten tomatoes please) and don't drink. The way I see it (and not saying this is how ti is for everyone!) is that, while the Bible (I am going to assume this is the view someone wants explained because the OP is in relation to a Christian MIL) there is no where that drinking IS a sin and they frequently drank alcohol (mostly casue the water would kill you) there IS many places that state that drunkeness is a sin. It is from this view, historically most conservative churches said that drinking is a sin outright. If you never drink, you can never get drunk.
Also, again historically, the places one went to drink (saloons, brothels, pubs ect) were not places a reputable Christian should be seen in anyway so why bother?
Personally, I don't have a problem with someone who wants to go socially drink, different members of my family drink wine and beer, but never to the point of drunkeness. Honestly, on our HM in Italy, FI and I will try some local wines, I don't think I or anyone else is going to hell for enjoying a good glass or two.
But, the way I would think about it is, is your friends having beer and such at your wedding worth driving a stake between you and your mother in law? Because from what it sounds like, big deal to you or not, it IS a big deal to her, and sounds like not being at odds with his family is important to your FI too.
No offence to the ladies who have said to tell your FI to grow a pair and stand up for you, but is something as petty as a bar at your wedding worth the damage to the lifelong relationship it may cause with your FI (and now YOUR) family? While we all would hope your FI would chose your side, is it really fair to make him pick between the love of his life (you) and the woman who has already loved him all his life (Mom)?
My Future inlaws are mormon and they are way against alcohol too...however my fiance and I definitely want booze there. I don't want a crazy open bar party party everyone is wasted thing. However we are having wine/beer and a drink of choice. She is has made many snarky comments regarding the issue however I just smile and say "well we are just giving people the option, if someone does not approve then they don't have to drink it". I am a Christian and have no plans of getting drunk along with our wedding party- however we do want to have a few drinks. Both my fiance and I are comfortable and happy with our decision and I think that is all that matters. As much as his mother does not agree, I hope she just respects our decision without casting any more judgement.
@chasesgirl - That is exactly my point. The thing is im just as hardheaded and independent as she is that's why we butt heads. She's just so negative all the time about everything - and I mean everything. I don't want to cause any problems between she and I but then again, since day one she never gave me a chance and never was warm nor inviting no matter what I did. It was so bad I would cry! It's litterally like the movie monster in law lol. NO MATTER what you do, what you say you will never be the girl she wants for her son. That girl doenst exsist because in reality she wants him to always be hers. She has to let up and realize he isn't a child but a grown man who is getting married and starting his own family and that im not taking him from her. <---- This is where my frustration is coming into play with the bar at the reception. Like I said, my family is totally against drinking too. I just want people (friends) to be able to have a good time and DANCE because most ppl won't unless they have a drink or 2, just saying. On the other hand of course it bothers me I can't get any kind of support on this matter with her. I do drink occasionally, my FI does not. It's frustrating haha. Lord Help.
Jesus drank wine.... did she forget that part? Lol. I would go ahead and do what you want. Being a christian does not mean you can not drink. But it does mean you shouldn't pass judgment on others, even those who drink. Hope everything works out! :)
I'm more concerned that FI is rethinking your having alcohol because he doesn't want to upset his mom.
I think you need to talk to him so the two of you can decide which route you are taking.
Once a decision has been made - then you need to let his mom in on it. If she's dropping hints about there being no alcohol, I don't think it's fair to spring it on her last minute. Will she rant and rave? Likely? Will she retract the $4K offer? perhaps. But, it's her decision to make.
If you and FI decide to have alcohol, then be firm, yet polite about it.
If you wanted to take it a step further, you could start a conversation with her about it - to understand why she thinks that having a glass of wine is not in step with being a christian. I know there are some christians that have had issues with alcohol and they feel it's a stumbling block to others, which is why they don't want it around. FWIW, I'm a Christian and we had a full bar ;) so, you know where I stand... :)
It's your wedding. I would say not to take the money, yes it would place you in a bind but overall I think you'd be happier because its something you want. You and your FI need to have your wedding the way you guys want it.
@chasesgirl: "Also, again historically, the places one went to drink (saloons, brothels, pubs ect) were not places a reputable Christian should be seen in anyway so why bother?"
Wasn't Jesus' whole dealio about walking amongst and reaching out to the people generally overlooked by "reputable" society? Prostitutes, beggars, lepers, drunks, you name it. Anyway, I'm not trying to turn this into a theological debate (especially b/c my knowledge of the Bible & the historical context of the Bible is somewhat limited even tho I'm married to a (very liberal, beer-loving) pastor, lol) but I was raised in a very conservative church and now that my beliefs have changed, this sort of institutional judgment really irks me. I'm sorry! I should never have posted! Backing away from the computer now... :)
Wait, maybe I should answer the question first. I would make sure to get on the same page with fiance (let him know that it's important to me to be able to have alcohol at the reception) and then have him lay down the law with his mom. It doesn't have to be eloquent, he just needs to say something like "We appreciate your generosity. We could really use the help (particularly since we splurged on a ridiculously expensive church back before you withdrew your support the first time) [<--ok, maybe you shouldn't include the bit in parentheses...I just couldn't help myself!], but we plan on having a wine and beer bar at the reception. None of our friends or family members drink irresponsibly and we certainly don't anticipate anyone getting drunk at our wedding, but we have made the decision to have a bar. Again, we'd appreciate your support but understand if you choose not to help us out."
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