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I've always had issues with my MIL. Over the years she has done/said a ton of things about me and sometimes to me that have been very rude and hurtful but I never really wanted to ever get into it with her so I would just blow it off. Of course I would be upset about it, but I have never actually confronted her on anything.
Lately she has taken a liking to passing judgement on my choices with school and work. My husband just started medical school in June and he is like her pride and joy, she never gets sick of bragging to people about how he is going to be a doctor. I feel like it is in bad taste because she is very money oriented and always wanting to look good in the eyes of others and I feel like she is using him to make herself look better. Anyway, I recently was on a family weekend with them and while she and his dad were telling someone about all of DH's accomplishments they proceeded to say "Yeah but we're still waiting on his dead beat wife to do something." Dead beat wife? I am 3 classes away from graduating with my bachelor's degree, I was working full time so that we would have enough money to get by since he can't work while he is in medical school, AND I am in school myself.
Over this summer I had just started my new job and I was getting really bad with my endometriosis. I've been in and out of the hospital and have just been having an awful time with the pain as it is now attached to my intestines and kidneys. I had just started an advanced organic chemistry course at the same time and needless to say the class slipped through the cracks and I didn't pass it. When MIL asked me how I did in it I didn't lie, I told her I didn't pass but I am retaking it right away and am still graduating in December.
Now last weekend we went on another one of these family weekends against my will when DH's grandfather decided to question me on school. I said it was going well, he kept questioning and asked me if I was going to actually pass. I was furious. I knew right away MIL had been gossiping about me. Why she felt the need to go tell his whole family that I failed a class is beyond me. Clearly that isn't info I would want to spread around and besides that, she knew I was having a hard time health wise on top of working a full time job. I was admitted into the hospital for a kidney infection on the day of my second exam for goodness sake.
On top of this, she manipulated my husband into us going on that stupid family weekend anyway. I know she is very manipulative and always pulls the guilt trip on him which he always falls for. We weren't going to go at first because both of us had a ton of stuff to do, but she honestly doesn't give a crap - all she cares about is that she gets to see her dear son because she is freakishly obsessed with him. I found out because when we got there his little cousin came up to me and said "Oh Aunt ___ guilted you guys into coming? At least she was laughing about it to my mom after she got off of the phone with you guys and said she was guilting him by saying people were expecting you to be here even though no one knew you were coming." My husband was pissed when I told him this, because he could see straight up that she just manipulated/lied to him when he really did need to be doing other things.
Anyway, this is long I know. But I am sick of her judging me, running her mouth about me, and just being an all around nosey jerk. Now that I am her son's wife, do I finally have more of a place to stand up to her or am I always just going to have to smile and nod? Ugh.
Ugh... I'll be curious to hear what people have to say about this - because honestly, I have a similar situation with FSIL - I've always just smiled and nodded (except one time, which was bad bad bad)... and FI has told me that if anyone is going to say anything to her it will be him.. but he doesnt like confrontation, so I feel like I should be able to stand up for myself!!! I told him if he doesn't, then i will, so if he doesn't want me to, he better! What does your FI have to say about that?
I think you always had a place to stand up for yourself, you shouldn't have to be treated like that ever. Does you hubby stick up for you at all?
I think that not only do you have the right to stand up to her, but your DH should talk to her as well! I know there is no way I would tolerate any of my family saying things about my DH like your MIL have said about you. It's completely uncalled for and not right at all. Have you sat down and talked to your DH about this? I would do that before talking to your MIL, so that when you do talk to her, you guys can put on a united front.
I'm sorry you are having to deal with this.
He has stuck up to me, but he does not like confrontation and when he has stuck up for me before she immediately cries like an idiot so he hates the whole situation. I'm sick of whining to him about it and telling him to because that's the advice I've always got before - that HE should be the one to say something. However, I have no problem confronting someone about being so obnoxious - I've just been biting my tongue for years because I didn't want to be disrespectful toward her since she was going to be my MIL and all.
I would leave her totally out of it and just focus on how she affects your relationship with your husband: as PPs have said, he needs to have your back when she's insulting you. And to some extent, you probably need to be a little nicer than she deserves for his sake.
I agree. Who's supposed to be giving you permission to stand up for yourself to anybody? You're an adult and shouldn't need to be given the OK to have an in your face conversation or confrontation with someone who is tormenting you, even if it is your husband's Mother. I think as long as you allow it, she'll continue doing it. Maybe it's exactly what she needs.
BTW,and for future reference....MOST men don't like confrontation and prefer to remain in lala land when it comes to family issues. Do what you have to do to save your sanity.
That's awful! I'm so super sorry that you're having to deal with all of her issues.
What does your husband have to say about those comments that she and his grandfather made? Did he not stick up for you and address his mother's inappropiate and rude comments?
Personally, I don't tell anyone anything that I wouldn't want broadcasted on the evening news - but that's because I've had bad experiences with not nice people. So in general I would refrane from speaking to her if possible, and definitely not go on any family excursions.
But I really think your husband should be the one to step in, in this situation. Has he ever said anything to her?
In a way, you certainly do have a right to stand up for yourself. However whatever you say to her is going to backfire. I think it is your husbands place to stand up to his mother. I just think that anything you say to her will be used for her to say "Look I was right about her".
Stand up for yourself! I'd say start with comments the slide in and no one notices are mean. Yes, that's hard, but it'll get under her skin. You cannot let this women interrupt your life. By the way, there are lots of Dear Prudence and Abby letters where they both say to stand up for yourself (I read them for the crazy letters) and don't let your marriage and life be ruined by a third party.
I 100% completely and totally agree with artbee. You've ALWAYS had a place to stick up for yourself, regardless of whether you're married to her son or not. It really irks me to read that she is so mean to you and gossips about you. I do hope your husband sticks up for you.
If you find a tactful way of talking to her, please let me know. Heck, even if you blow up at her, let me know! :P I'm trying to think of a way to approach my FMIL's rudeness, without having my FI talk to her for me, and keep running into dead-ends.
I wish you tons of luck! And btw, I'm proud of you for almost completing school! It's a huge accomplishment.
Okay, so after reading you additional post...
I think it's a serious issue that your hubby doesn't address the issue with her more seriously. If she acts obnoixous like that to him, he should say something about it.
But, if he doesn't want to then I would say something directly to her about it. It's better to let it come out when you're calm and collected as opposed to just one day a comment of hers just breaks the dam. You have the right to stand up for yourself against any person who is acting unjustly to you.
-Good Luck with everything!
@smyley: Well I don't really mean who is supposed to give me permission - I'm just kind of wondering what other people have done in my situation. I'm dying to tell the woman off, but I realize it isn't that easy seeing as though it is my husband's mother.
@SouthernTulip: He was really pissed about it, but no he never said anything to her about it. I told him I wanted to leave right away so first thing in the morning we got up and left. I told him I would not be putting myself in that situation again and he said he understood completely which means thank goodness I don't have to go on another one of those freaking family weekends with them again. I've told him a million times that he needs to just flat out stick up for me, but now I feel like he missed his opportunity to really deal with it. I don't know what his issue is - if my parents were to ever say something like that about my husband (which they never would because they are actually nice people) you can bet that I would stick up for him immediately and tell them to back off. It has been years of telling him to do it and although in the last few months he has spoken up slightly more it still isn't enough.
OMG, she's still at it?! Arrrghh... I totally remember your previous post about her belittling you and I can't believe she's still at it! This totally pisses me off because you work so hard and seem so selfless with supporting him through med school!
First off, I'm glad to hear you're back in school and still trying regardless of your health problems. You seem like a strong woman and you know yourself enough to not have to stoop down to her level BUT this is just gonna continue if you don't learn some come-backs!
It's horrible to have to think of this, but it looks like there really isn't any other way to get through to this woman. This is my advice: act yourself and be completely honest with your feelings! But learn to be more vocal and communicate your situation.
For instance, when grandpappy asked if you were going to pass, take him by the arm and tell him how bad you felt about not passing then proceed with how HARD it was because of your kidney infection WHILE working full-time! You really need to get them to know you and know that you don't have it easy --- that way when MIL runs her mouth, they will be the ones sticking up for you! Without trying, she will look like the wicked witch that she is! Seriously, you just need to let others in ... and you'll be surprised with who'll stick-up for you once they know your situation.
HUUUUUUGS!
Well that's good that he takes your side and was willing to remove the both of you from the situation! It's going to take time for him to reach the point where he can do that - it's really hard - but it seems like he's going in the right direction.
I've found that with some people (that seem to be similar to your MIL) the only way to get across to them that they are being inappropiate is to be extreme. Sometimes literally saying f-you and leaving is the only way for them to get that they've done something wrong - sadly.
-Good Luck!
heres what i would do...
next time she says something nasty respond to her right there. if she calls you a deabeat wife say something like, excuse me mil, that really hurts me that you feel that way especially in light of my recent health problems which you and i both know i wish i didnt have.
dont go and try to hurt her back, just stick to pointing out the horrible things she has done to you. she cant blow it out of proportion if you simply say you really hurt my feelings. and just stick to that, dont bring up old stuff because she could deny it just live in the moment. if she continues to gossip about you approach her as soon as you find out. try not to go out and insult her just say she hurt you and youd appreciate her not saying things like that,
i know its hard, but in my opinion its the best way to deal with the given situation. you dont wanna have her freak out, you just want her to back off.
First, don't give her ANY ammunition. Never reveal a single flaw. She doesn't need to know about your grades. Everything is fine. She can't gossip if she doesn't know anything.
Then I would confront her about some of the names she calls you. Deadbeat wife is totally unacceptable. I would probably say something like "you don't have to like me, but I'm your daughter in law now and I will not be called hurtful names. I deserve that much respect."
And then just start ignoring. If she continues to be rude, that's entirely her own problem. You don't need to chat with her at family gatherings and you don't need to answer to her.
I agree with Vista, the best thing to do in this situation may just be to try to shed some light on the truth of your life and let her look like the idiot.
Telling her off or confronting her really may just backfire and give her more things to talk bad about you for. However, if you just try to address the situation nicely directly to relatives she will look stupid.
I would just say something like, "Well no, actually its not that I'm a dead beat wife, I am working full time, going to school, etc"
You can stand up for yourself without standing up directly to her
I agree with PPs...don't tell her anything!! I have a gossip queen for a FMIL and I learned the hard way what's it's like to have your personal business spread around and come back in your face. And it sounds like you do too :(
Don't tell her anything, don't give in to demands and work with your husband on ways to deal with her. He may not like confrontation but if he doesn't step up to her on this, it's going to get worse and last for years.
I think some people, like your MIL and relatives, are rude because they think they can get away with it. If you politely and maturely call them on it, on the spot, it tends to shut them up. For example, when they call you a "dead beat wife", calmly reply, "Actually, I support both of us while husband is in medical school and while i work and go to school as well" or something like that.
I tend to be a little direct with my responses and when your MIL is bragging about her son being in med school I would say, Well it's a good thing I have a full time job to support us so that he can pursue that degree. It's not exactly nice but I would have a wicked hard time holding my tongue if someone ever said anything like that to me (the dead beat comment)
Congrats on almost being done with school, despite health issues and holding a full-time job. That's a great accomplisment!!!!
I remember you posting a few months back about her (where she would pop over to your house unannounced and come in!). I'm sorry she's said these horrible things about you. I personally think your husband should be the one to tell her to back off and keep quiet and be respectful, but if he isn't going to, then you should definately say something. The next time she says something, tell her you don't like it. You don't have to take it. Good luck!
but he does not like confrontation and when he has stuck up for me before she immediately cries like an idiot so he hates the whole situation.
He should be the one to say something but she repeats her crying act BECAUSE IT WORKS on him!! If you wanted your way, wouldn't you push a specific button on someone? That is what she is doing. He needs to see past the crying and BS she pulls. If he stops falling for it she will stop doing it. Of course, she will try something else but again, don't fall for it. Maybe him going alone to these family things will make the light bulb in his head go off.
I would stop giving her any personal information. Just keep your answers short and sweet. "How's your class going?" "It's going well." She can't use anything against you if you don't give it to her.
Yes, start standing up for yourself since your DH won't. You said what he is doing isn't enough: TELL HIM that! I get he may not understand what you are trying to say but spell it out for him. Sitting by while his mom is nasty to you is wrong.
You and your husband should go to counseling. It's helpful to see what a third party has to say about the situation; plus, the counselor will give you both some ideas on how to cope (and how your hubby can teach himself to NOT react to his mother's tears). You need to present a united front to this woman. Doing it alone will not change anything.
I would not tell her off, per se. But there is a kind of war waged between women. You all know what I'm talking about. It's a passive-aggressive, subtle battle that requires skill.
If her comments take a turn for the nasty and she belittles you in front of the famiy again (like the deadbeat comment), then I would call her out:
"Supporting our family while Mr. X is in medical school is a challenge, especially with my health problems and going to school full-time. With all due respect, I'd love to hear how this makes me a deadbeat wife? I'm a little flabbergasted at your attitude."
If she wants to have the subsequent conversations in private, I would also say, "Actually, I think it would be best if everyone could hear your reasoning. I feel like a misconception on your part may be affecting my relationships with the rest of the family in a negative way. I'd like to clear it up once and for all, if that's OK." And then just sip your drink and stare at her.
Be respectful. But stand up for yourself. Men can be frigging weird about their mothers and vice versa. No one can stand up for yourself better than you can anyway.
This might sound fairly stupid, but I would come up with a few quips that you can just toss out when you overhear something like that or people say things to you directly. You're his wife now, so don't be afraid to do anything, but this would be particularly satisfying (in my opinion). Direct confrontation will just cause too much drama and small barbs would be much more effective.
For instance, overhearing the "deadbeat wife" comment, you could simply pop in and say something along the lines of "Yes, it's unfortunate that we can't all be as successful as you." Whatever you say, say it with a smug smile. This is my MO for obnoxious, rude people and I can't tell you how much more effective it is than open warfare :)
And avoid, avoid, avoid. Now that your husband knows how his mom guilts him into things, seeing her less often shouldn't be a problem. If he can't directly confront her, he should support you by just staying away from these situations. Best of luck!
Wow she sounds like a HUGE bitch.
And your husband is being a pansy, sorry. He needs to man up and not let his mom talk about/to you like this. I would be absolutely fuming; in fact, I doubt I could've kept my mouth shut this long. He cannot just let his mom treat you like this and talk about you like this and push it under a rug. And of course she keeps crying--it works. She's manipulating both of you.
Lay down the law--tell him he better step it up or you're going to have to take it into your own hands. Give him a chance to put a stop to it. He needs to tell her to knock off the gossiping and nasty things. Or else...whatever that may be. but i do agree with the above PPs that if you actually hear her say these things, you should definitely speak up and "correct" her.
Sorry, but you kinda have to pick between your spouse and your parents at some point and when you get married, you need to act like your spouse is more important. Your husband needs to realize this.
Good luck with adv organic chem, by the way! It gave me fits!
@Trishthedish36: The war waged between women is the perfect description for this situation!
Okay, here is the thing, I think she is being horrible to you and now is the time to nip it in the bud, however I still think this really is something your husband needs to address. I know you are sick of whining to him etc, but if you go and blow your top with her (and it sounds like she is pretty good at pushing your buttons so you just might) then this will never end because she will tell the story from one perspective, you from another and it will go on.
In your shoes I would leave out any of the other issues you have with her manipulating her son or needing him around so much etc and focus on the current problem, her disrespectful attitude towards you and your academic and professional achievements. Sit you husband down and talk to him about this one issue and why it bothers you. Tell him that you would like him to talk to her about it and make it clear to him that if he doesn't address the situation propoerly you will have no choice but to do so yourself.
Wow - deadbeat? They actually said that? Yes, you can stand up to her but don't get into it with her - that will just put your husband in the middle and that's not good. But you can talk to your husband about the things being said and how hurtful and offensive they are and ask him to have a word with his mother. She will of course deny and be defensive but if he is willing to convey to her that HE doesn't appreciate these remarks, that should help somewhat. However, this will ONLY work if he can stand up to her and stick to his guns.
Secondly, if something offensive is said within your hearing you can give your in-laws a frostly, "I beg your pardon?" followed by a stare - this should embarrass them into backpeddling but if not, you could always say "Is my working full time and going to school not enough? What more do you think I should be doing exactly?"
Third - wall of silence should be your new code of conduct.. When MIL asks how school is going your reply should be "fine." No more, no less, no elaboration regardless of how much she presses you for additional information. If she's just going to complain about what you tell her or gossip about it, tell her as little as possible.
Good luck.
So, my Monster in Law is a psycho. The SIL & FIL are just as bad. Mr. Menard and I were together for 5 and a half years before we got married. Let me just say that our situation is very similar to your situation. Mr. Menard's "mother" is very manipulative and thought she could act that way with me. Like you, i always brushed everything off while we were dating...but at some point, it has to end!
I say stand up to her!! i did. it was liberating. haha i know that sounds lame...but seriously, i felt like a million bucks. Also, your husband needs to stand up to her too. It's hard, but he has to do it. You're his wife and she cant talk about you like that.
It's hard to make someone do somthing, but IMO, this is a problem between your husband & his mother.
She should have enough respect for him, not to treat you that way. You are the woman he choose to be his wife, his mother needs to respect that & he needs to man up and tell her the way she talks to you is unacceptable, period the end.
When she disrespects you, he should feel insulted! You two are a team & it sounds like, although he has tried a few times to stick up for you, it obviously didn't work since its still happening.
I had some problems w/ my MIL; but my husband, very seriously told his mother it was unacceptable and if she continued her behavior we would no longer visit them. Since then, MIL has been on her best behavior and we are very cordial. Yes, we will never be best friends, but she respects me and I respect her.
IMO I think this is a conversation you need to have with your husband vs your MIL.
You and hubby BOTH have to stick up for you. But in different ways.
YOU should hold your head high, correct MIL on matters of fact, and not get defensive. Talk about your accomplishments, talk about how much you love school, talk about all the things you're learning and what your future plans are after school. You're not getting pulled into MIL's game and anyone would be able to see you are not a deadbeat.
HUBBY should be your cheerleader and your pit-bull: he should sing your praises in public and bust Mom's chops in private because what she's doing is NOT okay. Plus, frankly, what you need to make him realize is that she's not only embarrassing and insulting you, she's embarrassing and insulting HIM. What does it say about him if he's the bloke who chose the "deadbeat girlfriend" (which he didn't, by the way--just making that clear)? He needs to make it clear to Mom that disrespect to you means disrespect to him--you are one and the same and she needs to stop.
And if he can't do that, you need to seek help.
You need to watch the movie "Monster in Law." Because that is how you have to handle a MIL when your DH is too naive or scared to deal with her himself. She cries? You cry. She makes snide comments, you make snide comments. She drags you both to these family outings to show off your DH? Then YOU be the one flouting his achievements, and direct some of the credit your way! "Oh, isn't DH amazing? He's going to medical school! It's been difficult for me working full time and going to school so that I can support his dream. But I would do anything for him, and I know he'll succeed!" Your MIL can't really take credit for him if you are. (Sadly, your DH should be taking his own credit, but it sounds like he's more content to let others talk for him...)
Definitely the subtle war, as Trishthedish36 mentioned. It requires a quick wit to snap back at whatever she says without seeming to others to be saying anything bad. You can even start to use her gossiping against her! "Oh I'm sure MIL told you that I failed that class. It was so hard for me, since I'm so used to making good grades, that I could not overcome my medical condition for the sake of my exams..." "Oh I know MIL said that everyone was expecting DH and I to come up here this weekend! It was all she could talk about! We feel so lucky to have family who want to see us so often!"
Sound like something you could do? Once you start, it gets easier. Everytime she does something that annoys you, you turn it back around on her. (Try not to use DH as a pawn in all this though. He'll get annoyed eventually.)
It's unfortunate that your DH doesn't like confrontation, but if his mom is treating you badly he needs to step up... from the sounds of her, if you stand up to her she might just try to guilt him even further where you're concerned.
Maybe you need a code word you can slip to DH when MIL is being rude to indicate he needs to say something to her asap. That way there's no excuse for him not noticing or missing opportunities.
Either way, I hope you're able to sort if out sooner than later! Sounds like she already has a few years of bad behavior where you're concerned. :S
I am so sorry you're having to deal w/ this. Reading your post made me SO angry. No one deserves to be treated that way. She should be thanking you for putting her son through school!
I believe that TrishtheDish said it best. You're not stooping down to her level w/ the nastiness, but you are putting her in her place.
Good luck!
Thanks everyone for your advice. I talked to DH about it and tried to get to the bottom of why he will not take care of it. Definitely let him know how much it is upsetting me again and that it hurts my feelings more that he hasn't put a stop to it. It isn't as if he doesn't know he has to do it, because he definitely does. He needs to just man up and deal with his mommy already before I do. If the next time comes around and he doesn't deal with it, I will.
@Statutory Grape: I really don't think it is a situation where we need counseling. We actually did do some premarriage counseling for our church before the wedding and that was great because the third party was a woman who ran our session and she told him exactly what we all know he should do. It is just going to be him actually getting up the guts to finally do it and do it sternly. I think after that finally happens the problem will be solved. Like my in laws were dropping in a ton of times unannounced to our house and it was super awkward and finally he told them that the keys are for emergency use only and if they kept coming over unannounced/uninvited he was going to take their keys away. It was AWESOME and guess what? No more visits :)
@NixLapi: I think a code word would be an awesome idea honestly. Because sometimes it happens and I know we are both thinking "oh my god... I cannot believe she just said that" but if I were to spit out a code word it would give him the kick in the butt reminder he needs to speak up.
@Trishthedish36: Haha I love your description! It is PERFECT! And so funny because men seriously do not see it. Like for example how I know when she is being manipulative in her subtle way that he never catches on to. Very bizarre.
Wow, just have to say thumbs up to you for putting up with her all this time! I think I would have flip my lid and just went off on her by now. Dead beat?! Is she crazy? Perhaps she needs reminding that her son can afford not to work and have the luxury of going to school with the burden and stress of working at the same time cause you are the one doing it! I'm pretty confrontational, so I don't know if I could have even been with anyone whos family made me so miserable unless we just cut them off completely. Theres no way there would not have been a lot of words exchanged by now, and honestly probably wouldn't even care what his family thought if they were so unreasonable. Sorry I have no good advice since I can only guess what I would do... but good luck with her!
Oh my goshhhh I know exactly what you're talking about! Except it's his sister and mother that are really bad....especially when together. His sister is a psychiatrist. One night we were all sitting around talking and his sister started asking us questions about the wedding and everything and I was answering truthfully to everything. It then turned into this huge "counselling session" and his mother told us she didn't think we were right and asked us if we "even love each other" uhhhhhhhhhh.... no. Nope. We don't love each other one bit. Is that a prerequisite? Stupid.
O chem is the worst class in the world. It gave me gray hair and almost a nervous breakdown. I am so sorry about your mother in law. She should take that O chem class and see how she feels.
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