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I am selling my wedding dress and have it posted in several places, one being craigslist. Here is a copy of a back and forth email I received regarding the dress....what do you guys think. Is this a scammer? Am I being paranoid about giving out my bank account number? Read it from bottom to top....
Pls i beg you to sell to me. Its my company that is paying you by bank transfer, i dont have any other way to pay. If i did, i would have paid you the way you wanted. I dont have the cash. Its my company that is paying for me they are owing me the money, and they only want to send it to the recipients account in cash. I asked if they do email money transfers because i know thats faster and safer. All they need is send the funds to your email address and it gets to your bank account when you have the password to access it. But they dont do email money transfers they bank with one of Canada's credit unions so they are not setup to do email money transfer, so reconsider my conditions and wave all doubts off your mind. Please i dont know what else to say, pls sell to me.Mrs Gwen Blue.
--- On Thu, 9/23/10, wrote:
From: Subject: RE: Jai wedding dress - $650 (Winnipeg)To: Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 4:28 PM
You are a total scammer. I would never, ever, give you or anyone, my bank account information. You need to be careful, karma's a bitch, you deserve what you get and I hope you get caught. I will be sending this to the authorities. You don't even watch what you are saying in your emails.....firstly, yes you can hurt me by knowing my bank account number and address and name and I know it.....and you state that you would like to use it in your new place ?!?!?!? IT'S A WEDDING DRESS....what are you going to do? Hang it on the wall for decoration?? You obviously don't plan to use it yourself, do you MRS. Gwen Blue?? Paypal is a very well known, secure method of transaction for both the seller and the buyer, so why are you so scared? You seem to ignore that and never mention it but keep going on about me giving you my bank account info. You mention that craigslist stated that Western Union, money gram, cashier's check, money order, shipping, and escrow services are scams.......did you forget to mention that in that statement from craigslist they also state to never give out your bank account information. There are a lot of bad people in this world and its a pity that people like you exist. If I was naive enough to go ahead with this and you scammed me, it would affect my life profoundly....I wish you had a conscience. Hopefully one day you will feel some of the pain that I am sure you have caused others. You are evil.
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:07:16 -0700From: Subject: RE: Jai wedding dress - $650 (Winnipeg)To:I understand what you are saying and I would have loved to come and buy it in person and pay cash. But we are in the process of moving to the US this week. And we will like to use it in our new place. You will have to confirm payment in your account before you tell me to talk about shipping. So please sell to me. I will have my company in the Canada transfer the payment into your bank account. There is no need to be pessimistic about it. I cant do anything with your bank account and you know it. You are the only one that has access to your bank account. I can not go to your bank with my ID and tell them i will want to withdraw money from another person's account. So why are you scared. My company will send the money to your account once you send the info over. So let me know what you want to do.Thanks,Mrs Gwen Blue.
--- On Thu, 9/23/10, wrote:
From: Subject: RE: Jai wedding dress - $650 (Winnipeg)To: Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 2:09 PM
I am happy that you are interested in the dress. I will however not give out my bank account information. I can send you an invoice through paypal and once I receive confirmation of payment, I will let you know and then I will give you the information you need to send UPS (I will need something from them to state that the items were picked up and that you received them - tracking number) to pick up the dress and veil.Let me know if you are interested. This is the only secure way to make sure this is a legitimate transaction. I am a little concerned that you would need my bank account information. Let me know if you would like me to send the invoice through paypal.Thanks again.
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 01:20:22 -0700From: Subject: RE: Jai wedding dress - $650 (Winnipeg)To:Thanks for the mail. Yes i am interested, and I will like to buy. Its just that i will be moving to the US this week so phone lines have been disconnected, also i will like the items shipped with my UPS account to the address i am moving to. So if that is your last selling price, i will take it. You dont need to bother about shipping. I will ask UPS to come and pick it up at your location. You wont need to pay anything. And my company will deposit the funds directly into your bank account Since criagslist stated that Western Union, Money Gram, cashier's check, money order, shipping, escrow service are scam. So let me know which you will prefer.Thanks,Mrs Gwen Blue.
--- On Wed, 9/22/10, wrote:
From: Subject: RE: Jai wedding dress - $650 (Winnipeg)To: Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 3:16 PM
Hi.Yes the dress is still for sale. I was married August 28 this year and we are saving for a honeymoon that we never got to take, so I am selling all my wedding decorations and the dress (plus I plan to never marry again and the dress will just hang in the closet so I think that someone else will be able to look and feel like a princess on their wedding day too!). The dress is in great condition. I wore it once for about 4 hours. There is a small mark on the bottom tier of the dress that is covered by the tier above it so you can't see it unless you are looking for it. I love this dress. It is very light and flowing and I received many compliments on it. It is very unique and not a copy but an authentic Jai International wedding gown. It will come in a garment bag and I am including my veil which I never wore (1 tier fingertip with beaded edging). I would not let my dress go for less than $580 (plus shipping which shouldn't be too much as it is not a heavy dress depending on where you are from) and will only accept paypal payment prior to shipping. Thank you for your interest.
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:06:54 +0000From: Subject: Jai wedding dress - $650 (Winnipeg)To: sale-suqvh-1964194437@craigslist.org
Hello, How are you doing?Why do you wanna sell it? please i will like to know if this item is still available for sale and i will like to know the present condition of the item..... Hmmmm............... what is your best price of selling the item... please let w know ASAP.Can i have your phone number.Gwen.
anytime you have to give out your bank account number, avoid avoid avoid. craigslist is great but can be the devil if you don't take precautions. don't do it!
Is there even such a thing as email money transfers? I would NEVER give me bank account information out
Yes, it's a scammer. Check out http://fraudalerts.blogspot.com/2009/04/fraud-alert-gwen-blue.html
I was just contacted yesterday by a scammer. As SOON as you get a funny feeling about the transaction, it's best to drop the subject. I agree, bank account numbers, paypal email account information, etc, shouldn't be shared.
A simple Google search turned this Gwen Blue up.
Also, what soon-to-be-bride asks if 'it' of "the item" is still available? Would she want to know details/see more pictures of the dress? Warning sign right there.
run away screaming, lol. that is definitely a scam. theyre in the process of moving to the us? super sketchy, tell them sorry, theres no way in hell theyre getting your account number
I think it sounds like a scam! The words "bank transfer from my company" and excuses just don't add up. Yuck! Sorry you're dealing with that.
yes you are being scammed! just stop communication all together. you're not going to get any good outcome from it. so scary!
You can tell from the very FIRST e-mail it is a scam.
A real person would ask about the dress, not the "item".
Asking if the "item" is for sale is a true scammer hallmark, because they use a form e-mail and don't even read ads.
That coupled with the terrible grammer = scam.
Don't ever respond to a person unless they ask about the item your are selling by calling it what it is, not just an "item".
Also, for CL ads, it's best to say "please put xxxx in the title" that way you can immediately weed out scammers (who didn't read the ad) from real people.
As soon as I read that she was asking for your bank account number, red flags went up. I never, ever give that out to anyone, especially someone I don't know. Sounds shady to me.
As a reporter, I worked with a company that catches these spammers and looks for key words and spellings, as well as sentence form. I can guarantee you 100% this IS a scam. Please don't even correspond anymore at all (that is another thing I learned from working on the article)
She hasn't ever once mentioned the dress! If she was a real bride don't you think she'd be gushing about how excited she was or something??
Stick with your guy. SCAM SCAM SCAM.
Total scam. Don't do it. Nobody's company would ever pay you and if it were a company they'd use PayPal without a problem. Also, she'll get UPS to go and pick up from your house? I don't know if that's standard practice in the US but here that's definitely way too creepy! Meet in person to pick up the item after purchase yes, sending FedEx/UPS to your home to pick up the item. No.
I do LOVE your awesome message about they're a scammer. Good for you. But I'm sure it just rolled right off of them. BLOCK them from your email now!
Even if it wasn't a scam- which it OBVIOUSLY is- why deal with a hassle and feeling uncomfortable when selling anything online? I'm sure there are plenty of people who will be capable of paying the way you want.
I'm surprised you even have options in the poll to go ahead with this, and that you even responded to that first email.
I would ignore any other emails from this scammer. You will find a legitamate buyer.
That is an absolute scam, and it's very common for them to scam people selling things like on Craigslist now. Do not respond in any way.
pls only sell to ppl who buy in person [cash] or through paypal... this is clearly a scam... i would just not bother communicating with her.
Yikes! I'm glad you stood up for yourself and did not let the person convince you it was ok to give out your address and bank info.
Yes, total scam, don't feel bad for a second. We got emails just like this when we sold furniture on CL. Just ignore them from now on!
Yeah, I mean she doesn't have any way to call you or any way to pay other than your bank account #? Even if it is legitimate, I wouldn't want to be involved.
We've gotten so many of these types of scam responses...I stop reading after the first line. When somebody says they are interested in your "item", that's a scam. Why would a person mention "item" and not dress, table, etc. by name? I would never respond to somebody like this. And by responding to them accusing them of being a scammer, they won't care. They are sending out mass emails to so many trying to rip anybody and everybody off. I've seen so many of these emails on Craiglist. My favorite is always, "Hi, is your item still for sale?" We get that all the time when selling things on Craigslist.
Man that sucks, I hate how prevalent scammers are these days. I hope you find a legit buyer!
Total scammer!! I would never give anyone my bank account number!
Well I was going to say that it is a scam myself but everyone already told you that. lol I would not worry too much as long as you did not give this person any informatiom. We all know that as a bride this day is very special and meaningful therefore some sort of happiness would be shown not such determination to get an item, that to be honest, the person does not even know what it is, in such a hurry.
i also had to weed through this nonsense when i was trying to sell my dress online. 99% of the offers to buy were scams, and as you go along you recognize the signs: #1: always in such a hurry. #2: located outside the U.S. #3: buying for someone else or someone else is paying.
block them from your email and wait for legitimate offer.
It makes me SO ANGRY that there are people like this out there. A special place in hell, I tell you...
Okay, where are these 3 posters that chose the "might be legit" option? I think we need an intervention. The only reason these scammers keep pulling this crap is because there's people out there who actually fall for it!!!
1. This is a scam.
2. Do not reply to the emails that do not specifically refer to the item you are selling. Once you reply, they'll have your real email account.
3. Your personal email and name are now on this thread. I would consider asking to have it removed.
I live and work in Canada and I can tell you that I HAVE done an email money transfer with the credit unions. They accept that type of payment just the same as every other Canadian bank.
If this person wants the dress so bad they will pay you through paypal. Don't you think it would be much easier for a "Company" to transfer funds via credit card (paypal) rather than cash fund transfer anyway?
The broken english may also be an indicator that this is a scam...
Or the fact that isn't a documented scam, which someone already posted a link to....
It's definitely a scam.
More importantly, do you really want your full name, email address and phone number in this thread? I'd ask the admins to delete them ASAP.
Thanks everyone....and I did ask that they remove my name and phone number from the post.....see, I am pretty naive! At least I didn't post my bank account number for everyone!!
Sounds like a huge scam. I also noticed the person's english is bad at times, and fine others? Almost like they were faking a language barrier until you started playing hardball then oops, I am better at english now?
Odd! Wait for someone legit to sell to.
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