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The plot thickens.......please be frank with me waiting bees.....I think that I'm doing what's right for me by waiting.....and so does my family and church community.....but something that Shutterbug said reminded me of Mr. Bee's plan....which I've implemented to interesting results. I just need opinions and feedback on the situation.
Shutterbug and I met in October of 2009, began dating in December 2009, officially became a couple in June of 2010....and he dumped me right before last Christmas saying that we might get back together in the future and that nothing will change between us, except the romance.
On NYE we began a FWB relationship that was exactly like what we had before. Minus the title of "BF" or "GF". I told him that I was still sure that he was the one, and that I'd wait forever for him. Everyone (except his family and my Mother) insisted that he was my BF. He went as my date to every major event in my life (Balls, government luncheons, ectera) and played the complete Father role with my three year old from my previous marriage.Slept over all of the time....ectera.
I thought that everything was hunky dory until last Wednesday when he told me after some prompting that we were not dating, that we needed to stop sleepovers and doing the deed for awhile, and that I was getting way into his personal life. He said "You act like we're on a date everytime we go somewhere, like I'm your man. We're just friends! You keep holding out for the happy marriage and picket fence and kids life and you need to live your own life! I need space! If you keep acting like this for the next two months, we'll have to break off the friendship for awhile."
So, I did. I didn't call him and got involved in personal activities. On Sunday night, he called me asking what time he needed to be at my house to pick up my daughter from her Dad's house and if I'd found a job yet. He called when a very interesting TV show had just come on and while we talked of small things for ten minutes , I excused myself from the conversation and went back to watching TV.
I've never done that before.
So....am I waiting....or am I delusional?
Both? You're waiting for a delusion.
He has out right said he doesn't want to be with you - there is ZERO indication that he wants to marry you and be a real father to your little girl. Someone who is there sporadically for you isn't a life partner. You shouldn't settle for someone who is fickle like this - he doesn't even know what he wants and he's toying with you because it's easy. Probably gives him what he needs in a sense of stability and security when he needs it and then when he's done with that he leaves.
@wolfpackforever: You are not delusional because you want something he cannot give. But you are not "waiting"either. He is using you and is not worth your time. He won't even consider you his girlfriend, if I read you post right, which is really disrespectful. Stop taking his calls, do NOT sleep with him or even stay "friends". Be nice but move on and find someone worthy of your love. The sooner you cut him loose the better. Good luck:)
Oh, and make sure delete ALL his contact info out of your phone/facebook/email so you are not tempted to contact him.
He's told you what he is thinking. He's not your boyfriend in his eyes, and you should not be his girlfriend.
You need to move on.
HE wants all the benefits and none of the responsibilities of a relationship with you. Think if this relationship is the sort of example you want to set for your child. From here, it looks like he is a waste of your time.
Thanks for the kick in the pants.
If and when (he will....he's the only person in my life who is willing to drive the 110 mile round trip to pick my daughter from her Dad's each week, as I don't have a license or a car....working on both....my ExH doesn't drive either...long story.) he calls, should I just treat him as someone that I know, but leave it at that. If he asks why I'm behaving this way, what should I say? 'I'm just living my life', sounds like a good answer to me.
Delusional dear. He doesn't want a relationship with you. He just wants to have sex and continue the friendship. He's one of those guys that doesn't think you're good enough, so he's still looking. You deserve way better than this dude. Cut it off and move on.
you need to move on. this guy is going to break your heart and he obviously does not want what you want. stop wasting your time....
good luck honey
@wolfpackforever: dont answer his calls and dont let him pick up your daughter....you need to cut him out of your life to get over him
I wouldn't even be "friends" with this guy. What kind of friend treats someone like an overgrown masturbatory aid? No thanks.
@wolfpackforever: When he calls just tell him that you've realized that you two want different things and that you're not going to be able to see him anymore. You could add something about if he comes around to your way of thinking, and is ready to respect you and he desires a future with you, you may still be around - or not.
Sorry, but I too agree that he's not good enough for you. You want a husband and someone to spend your life with. He is clearly not that (at least at this pont). And he is just using you, and you are letting him.
Good luck & Hugs!
@wolfpackforever: You really should not allow him to pick up your daughter anymore- honestly, thats his way of keep being in your life, but not in his. I understand that it means alot to you, but look at it this way- does he really deserve the right to act like a dad to your daughter and what not, when he will never be that for her? Its totally unfair to her as well because she has this man in her life that honestly doesnt want to be with her mother, and thus it probably really confusing for her. This man said point blank that he doesnt want to be with you, and that there is no future between you. You do not sleep with friends, and you dont do all the things you were doing with friends- it just doesnt make sense. You arent waiting as well because he hasnt even mentioned the idea of marriage or a future in a positive light. I think you need to distance yourself from this man so you can emotional detach enough and have him out of your life enough that you can move on to an actual relationship with someone you have a future with. Only then, with that distance can you possible retry for a friendship...because this arrangement is unfair to you and your daughter in everyway. He's completely using you for his own needs, while stringing you and your daughter along. I think all you have to say is "I need some alone time to myself to figure out what I want out of my life, and grow as a person and in order to do that I think we need to stop talking for a while, or I need distance from you" You dont need to justify yourself to this man, mostly because honestly? He's totally taking advantage of you, and I feel almost using your daughter to get to you as well- I know how much that must mean to you emotionally, that he would help out like that, but I think its totally manipulative. I really think you need some healthy distance from him.
What's that saying? When people tell you who they are, you need to listen? Something like that. He's telling you straight up he doesn't want to be with you that way. Yes, then he's confusing the message, but why the hell would you want to be with someone so wishy washy over you? Screw that. Move on! There is a better guy out there.
I also have to say... I'd be more careful with that daughter of mine too. I would not be letting some wishy washy guy play the "complete father role" to her. You need to vet people better than this.
Good luck...
@wolfpackforever: Okay, I don't want to sound harsh in any way, as I understand it must have really hurt to actually hear those words come from his mouth.
However, I wholeheartedly agree with the PPs. You need to stop seeing this man. ASAP. Yes, it will be hard, because this has gone on for a while... but frankly, it has to be done. This treatment has to stop.
Think of your child. Use your daughter as inspiration. Believe me, coming from someone who watched her mother go through terrible, disrespectful relationships... you don't want this for your baby. I don't care if this guy drives across the flippin' country to pick up/drop off your daughter. He is not the example you want her seeing as a father figure. Or even a male figure in general. He is disrespectful. He doesn't care about anyone but himself and getting what he wants.
And even more than that, for the sake of your daughter's future relationships, you don't want her seeing him treat you this way and thinking that's how relationships are. Trust me, there are tons of men out there who wouldn't even dream of treating a woman this way. There are men out there who WANT to be in relationships, who WANT to fall in love and who WANT to get married.
Please, not just for your own peace of mind, self-esteem, and sanity... but also for your daughter's... say goodbye to this guy.
We're all here for you. *HUGS*
Delusional. :( Sorry. He is being honst and he clearly doesn't want a relationship (just the benefits when he feels like it). Get out. You and your kids deserve more!!
get out. you deserve more than this, but you arent acting like you do.
Agree with PP and please, don't fall for his little act of sudden interest as soon as yours drops.
Not that you are NOT interesting, YOU ARE.
This just sounds like stupid games and they never really end.
Sorry but you are in a delusional relationship. It sounds like he's being 100% REAL with you and you just don't want to believe it. Based on what you said it seems that even he's noticed how delusional you're being and wants you to stop. I suggest that you or your daughter's father find some alternate means of transportation for her to get over there because he should not be around your daughter seeing as how he has no respect whatsoever for you. And I don't get how your family or church could even think for a second that this situation will somehow turn itself around. Please you deserve someone who loves and wants to be with you, who respects you and your daughter.
I'll stay around (here) I mean. I asked for truth and other points of view....and I got them. You guys are nice.
Just reinforced what I had been feeling like inside, but had never said to others.
I just need to find someone to fetch my daughter. I need to think about how to find another "ferry-er" as I don't have any other friends and no one from my church wants to get involved. Shutterbug and his immediate family attend ALL of the three churches of our denomination in the area....so the solution to avoid him is just to attend a different service time, I think.
The short version of the situation:
I have an extended protection order against my ex-husband. He was emotionally abusive and when I left him, his Mother took him in and he has been living at her house ever since. We have joint custody of our daughter. They live an hour and fifteen minutes away and there is no public transportation to the area. His Mother used to do the ferrying back and forth of our daughter but flat out refused to do it anymore due to the wear and tear on her vehicle and the stress level of the driving + her work schedule, at least both ways.
So transport advice for my daughter would also be really helpful. I'm in the process of buying a vehicle and getting my license before Summer begins, so this won't be a problem in in about six weeks.
What about public transit in the meantime?
@wolfpackforever: Is there any point in the journey where there is public transportation? Could you set up a fund for taxi's possibly even? Are there any family members who are willing to help?
Honestly, its part of your ex-husband's responsibility to really provide half of the transport from her to your place- maybe you should negoiate the terms again that he has to meet you half way on the journey to his place because you can not find someone to ferry your daughter- Either an agreed upon relative or some other form of transport would make sense.
@Oneeleven: There is none. Otherwise that would be a perfect solution.
@Bellanouva: I have no family within 500 miles. ExH's family except for his Mom/Stepdad lives 250 miles in the opposite direction from him.
I am looking at having them drive to Reno (which is equidistant and his Mom works there anyway) and catching the public bus into town to get her, then turning back around. That would involve an overnight stay in Reno however. I'm willing to do it, however if it means that my daughter is with me and able to spend time with me.)
I read your story and I totally agree with the advice you've been given, so I'm not going to repeat what's already been said. I do think that when you find the right guy you will be amazed at the difference in how you are treated and how he makes you feel and wonder how you ever could have settled for what this guy was giving you (i.e., been there....now have wonderful husband....the difference is like night and day).
As for the transportation issue, am I understanding correctly that he can drive, he just has a restraining order? Could he bring your daughter to your town and have a third party (a family member, a friend) meet him and pick up your daughter so you'd not have to go near him?
EDIT: I see you don't have family or close friends who live locally. I don't personally love the idea, but I do know someone who does their son's dropoff and pickup at a police station so it is supervised. It might be a temporary solution.
@Neva: He doesn't have a license or car either. The entire situation is bizzare. 
If transportation will no longer be an issue in about six weeks, would your ex's mom be willing to start the drive again, just until you get your license?
Or is it possible to hold off on visitation until you get your license?
@wolfpackforever: Lol, so my second idea doesn't work either. Would his mother be willing to keep doing the drive if she knew it was temporary and you helped reimburse her for gas/wear and tear on her car?
If public transportation is an issue, maybe you can do what my friend did when she and her ex lived an hour apart, they met in the middle at a public location. That way they each bore part of the burden of transport. They also used to do exchanges at the police station when relations were particularly nasty. Their son would dash from car door to car door in the parking lot. Neither adult would leave their cars in the presence of the other. Good luck.
@Neva: She says "No." I really think that its a time/quality of life factor in conjunction with the other issues.
@wolfpackforever: I think you need to contact your ex's mother and try and work something out- that might work hopefully
Delusional.
If a guy wants to be with you, he will be with you. As is, he is stringing you along and taking advantage of your feelings for him. You're a glorified booty call, and he has made it clear that you are not official, so he is still free to date/sleep with girls who aren't you (regardless of whether he has told you he is or not).
He is clearly mustering his self control to cut things off with you because he knows it is wrong. LET HIM.
I dated a guy like this. I was totally in love with him. He ended up marrying the girl he started dating 2 weeks after we broke it off.
Find a guy who wants to be with you, come hell or high water. He's the one worth being with/waiting for. This guy won't be coming around. He'd already be that guy if he was that guy!
Take care of yourself and leave him. He is not the one for you. If he sleeps over in your bed all the time, then you should rightfully be bf and gf. Friends don't do that and just stay friends. He is no good if he can't make a real commitment to you. There are other guys out there, including the real one for you who will treat you right.
Honestly if your ex can't come get her, and his own mother won't even do it, that sounds like His Problem.
Does your agreement spell out who bears the burden of transporting her?
ETA: If you have no solution, then he needs to come up with one.
About the man situation: There ARE a few guys that I have been interested in asking out for coffee or lunch....but because of my position and because of who they are....are actually off limits. :( Hehe. I'll find the right man....probably when I stop looking for him. :)
@tarlonda: It says that his family is responsible.
@tarlonda: I was wondering that. I was going under the assumption that their separation agreement made them share transportation, but I shouldn't really assume that.
If he's the one that left the area to live with Mommy, then likely he has the full burden of transportation both ways. If he is unable to do that, it's really not her problem. Of course, even so she may want to help with transportation because she feels it important for her daughter to see her father.
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