Amora Moissanite vs Amora Gem?

posted 2 years ago in Rings
Post # 2
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: December 2013

I think the amora gem looks more like a diamond in terms of the round brilliant cut. And color wise an F may give it a tad bit of color and depth making it more diamond like but as far as vs1 vs IF you’ll probably see no difference considering vs1 clarity is definitely eye clean.  

Post # 3
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: December 2013

I wanted to add that oec moissanite looks most like a diamond because oec diamond is typically warm in color. And the cut is basically the same as diamond

Post # 5
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: June 2015

From the pictures and videos of the Amora gem, it does not look like a diamond to me.  The arrows are overly apparent and the cut does not look like a comparable round brilliant diamond .  The amora gem looks more plasticy and hazy in comparison to crisp steely grey facets of a genuine diamond.

Amora gem is in the moissanite family meaning double refraction and the sparkle is different than diamond too.  More disco ball and pinpoint glitter versus bold flashes of white light.

I would not go as big as a 2 carat colorless Amora Gem in halo because an actual 2 carat colorless diamond is expensive and people who actually have diamonds will be able to tell.

Post # 7
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: December 2013

I didn’t know there was an oec available yet in the amora gem but I do believe that the hearts and arrows amora gem ultra is actually a transitional cut also known as an early round brilliant. It has a smaller table than the modern hearts and arrows cut. You should check out the better than diamond forums. There are tons of info on moissanite and the AG. But if I were to choose between oec and hearts and arrows I think I’d probably go with the hearts and arrows cut. Especially if I were trying to pass it off as a diamond since most people arnt familiar with oec.

Post # 8
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: December 2013

From what I’ve seen yes the sparkle and brilliance is different from diamond but also looks different than moissanite. It seems to have a rolling effect instead of fast flashes. Like the light moves slower through the amora gem. But to your everyday person it will look like a diamond as will moissanite. 

Post # 9
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: August 2011

Danielle844:  LOL, I’m sorry to laugh but this information is coming from those who have not seen an AG in person.  The AG DOES NOT have a double refraction.  The material may be related moissy but it is not the same and appears different.  Just as items made up of carbon do not look identical.

I think some of the info you are looking at is getting confused up which is understandable since the treatment (amora) is easy to confuse.  The AG is cut like a RB diamond while the amora moissy or any moissy for that matter is cut differently from an RB.  Still not a transitional cut, but different from an RB.  Although moissy offers a H&A cut right now, but the reviews are poor.

I have a cushion ultra H&A AG and it is very diamond like.  I also got it in a G color and VS1 clarity.  However, at this time new cushions are not available.  OECs are available in the larger sizes (above 2 ct) and are beautiful, but I have not seen one in person.  The fact is that moissy is a moody gem meaning it will reflect colors around it differently than a diamond and/or show other colors depending on the lighting.  Moissy has a double refraction which is beautiful, but for those in the know are different from diamonds.  Granted 95% of people will not be able to tell.  AG is the most diamond to me, but it is a personal decision.  Size and what people perceive that you can afford is the real give away. 

  • This reply was modified 2 years, 2 months ago by  NovaRising.
Post # 10
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: July 2017

Danielle844:  NovaRising:  I must agree with Nova here. Take the advice of those who own an AG or have seen it in person. Now, I wont comment on an AM as I have never seen one with my eyes. But as for the AG, I have one set for my ER and cannot sing its praises enough. I have a RB F/VS2. It’s essentially colorless. From the underneath side is when I can pick on my the color, but from the table. No visible inclusions, and those with SI1 report the same. I find it to be extremely diamond like. The hearts and arrows and not overly visible. The pictures of it online are clearly emphasizing the arrows. You’ll find the in “regular” photos, it’s hard to pick up on it, or it’s very subtle. I’ve had it for a month now and no one has questioned it. I actually find it to perform much more like a diamond than a moissy would. Overall, it’s well known that a moissy is tempermental and disco ball like. My jeweler, who set my ring, never worked with it before and he was highly impressed with it optical performances as well as durability. 

Here’s a 3rd party review of the AG there he compares it to a diamond in various lighting conditions. 

Post # 11
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: August 2011

AquariusLove:  Thanks you made some great points that I left out.  The hearts and arrows in my cushion are not “in your face” and honestly you need to know what they are to look for them.  I haven’t seen a round so I left that out of my review.  Your original stone is the one that convinced me to try the AG and I am so happy I did.

Post # 12
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: August 2012

NovaRising:  Actually, the Amora Gem is doubly refractive. Just like moissanite. And, in both gemstones, this property doesn’t matter. It cannot be seen by the human eye, you need a loupe, which is maybe why you thought the AG doesn’t have it. “Double refraction” seems to be a phrase people throw around without knowing what they’re talking about, usually in an attempt to besmirch non-diamond gemstones…grasping at straws for a legitimate way to differentiate something they couldn’t tell apart if their life depended on it. It’s hilarious that people point to something that is literally invisible when they’re talking about why they don’t like the look of moissanites.

I am glad you & the pp mentioned the hearts & arrows being much less pronounced IRL. I am planning to purchase a Gem but was kinda put off by those super thick arrows in the review photos.

Danielle844: If you’re looking for a forever gemstone that you can easily pass off as a diamond, both stones will work…but the Amora Gem is more diamond-like because it is less moody. That said, if cost is a concern I don’t think the Gem is worth it compared to a nice FB moissanite, if you’re just a regular person looking for a diamond alternative (and not a gem-obsessed freak like some of us on here lol). I have a RB Amora moissanite, no one would ever know it isn’t a diamond if I didn’t tell them — they are always shocked to find out (and I’m talking about people who own 2+ ct diamonds, so they know what the look is). The color grade does not affect the brilliance of the gemstone, it’s just a personal preference as to how much warmth you like.

Post # 13
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: August 2011

valintine:  Actually it can be seen by the human eye without a loupe:

“The double refraction is one of the easiest ways to distinguish a CZ from a real diamond. In a well-cut CZ, the double refraction can only noticeably be seen from the side, but it can also be seen in the face-up view if you inspect the table reflection. Under magnification, the table reflection will, rather obviously, be doubled. Without magnification, the table reflection looks more like a circle rather than the crisp star shape that is seen in a nice H&A diamond.”

But I guess I didn’t describe it right and I meant more the optical properties of the stone.  

As explained here: “Chemically, the Amora Gem is a single-crystal silicon carbide with a Mohs hardness of 9.25 – 9.50…You should also be aware that the Amora Gem is not the same as the Amora Enhanced Moissanite, which BTD also carries. Moissanite is a different form of silicon carbide with a different chemical structure and optical properties.”

It is the optical properties that set the AG and moissy apart to me.  Don’t get me wrong I think both are beautiful and I actually have a pair of moissy studs being made for me as we speak.  But I can see a difference based on how each material reacts in different lightening.  Of course the majority of people will not know the difference between one white/colorless stone from another.

As far as the double refractive in AG, I thought Less said it did not.  I can’t search right now, but eventually I will get around to looking it up or just asking him again.  

Thanks for pointing out if I was misusing the term.  I love science, but mainly biology more than chemistry based info.  It’s always nice to learn something new.

 

Post # 14
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: June 2015

My SIL got an Amora Gem Ultra (which she ended up returning) and I was able to compare it to my diamond for an evening.  So, I do know what I’m talking about (probably more so than the AG owners here) because neither had a comparable diamond to compare their Amora to.

Anyway, here’s a pic of 2 AG’s to show the pinfire type of fire it gives off.  Real diamonds have more bold flashes of color.

 At the end of the day, it is a pretty stone and very cost-effective for a “forever” e-ring.  Just know that some diamond owners and jewelers will be able to tell the AG is not a diamond if passing it off is very important to you.

Post # 15
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: August 2012

NovaRising:  Did you realize the excerpt you posted is describing CZ, not moissanite? In moissanite, the double refraction is not visible to the human eye. You need a loupe to see it, and even then in RB cut it can only be seen from specific angles through some facets. I’ve read about this and also had it confirmed by 3 different gemologists, though I’m not as confident about the Amora Gem you can see a photo (magnified?) of its double refraction on this review: http://www.prosumerdiamonds.com/amora-gem-review/ Regardless I agree with your point about the Gem being different from moissanite (I’d say the Gem is physically superior).

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