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AMEN!!!
That does explain why I sometimes have questioned our relationship. I don't think it's so much that I don't think we are going to make it as it is more of when people ask me and I don't have an answer for them it makes me try to find an answer as to why we aren't engaged and that leaves open questions. Then I start wondering if I'm good enough for him, and think maybe that's why he hasn't asked, and then the snowball just keeps rolling....
She wants him to realize he cannot live without her and just has to make her his wife all by himself.
This is so true. This is why I have vowed to stop asking him about it--because I dont want to feel like I made him do it, I want to know that he loves me enough that he wants to spend the rest of his life with me on his own accord, not because I annoyed him enough to do it.
Yup, you hit the nail on the head here! Perfectly said.
ETA: I honestly wish I could give this letter to everyone who asks when were going to get married!
Thanks guys!! I'm glad you liked it! I just really felt like I needed to get some stuff out today... last week was full of people asking me questions and making comments, then the other night my SO and I ran into an old coworker and she pulled me aside and started asking questions right in front of him. I thought it was rude, actually. I know she meant well but I mean come on... he had to have known.
That was when I kinda felt like okay, enough is enough and the idea for this letter was inspired! :)
*Standing ovation*
They should put this on the TV as a PSA!!!!
GREAT letter! I need to send this to everyone who asks me. I loved the part that says she has no control over it. EXACTLY!
@LetsGoPens: HAHA oh my god that just made my day!! That'd be sweet.
You guys are freakin' awesome. It feels good knowing you guys can relate (well, I wish none of us were in this position but you know what I mean haha).
I read it a couple times before posting, and I find it just helps me say a big 'F off' to the people who bug me. It's exactly like yellowlinedpage said about the snowball effect the line of questioning has on us... which sucks, because we aren't our guys. I will never understand why people think it's okay to make these comments to us. And that's the crappy thing about it, is that it does make us doubt things from time to time and puts us through the Waiting Cycle over and over again.
I almost wanted to post this on my facebook lol, but decided against it. Part of me wants my SO to read it as well, just to know what I'm going through. But for now I'm undecided on if I just want it for my eyes or not (and yours heh)
Wow this made me feel better, SO TRUE.
I wish someone would give this to my coworker who asks to see my hand all the time AS IF I am hiding a ring!!!!!!! Too bad the annoying asking people aren't on these boards to know how we really feel LOL!
YESYESYESYES! Like LetsGoPens said, this should be a PSA on tv. I'd go one step further and put it on a billboard, and have a full page ad taken out in every newspaper and magazine there is, lol, haha!
@authentic:With your permission, I'd like to copy and paste this into a note so I can share it on my Facebook page :)
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU for this post!!! Seems like I've been in "waiting mode" for waaaay too long now, and this is exactly what I needed to hear, since it reflects what I've been feeling when people ask me about my situation. My younger sis got engaged yesterday, and was already getting comments like, "Wow! You beat your older sis to it!" Not exactly what a waiting gal needs to hear!
Thank you for writing this!! I am getting over a weekend of "so anything you want to tell us" and hand checking and your post was great therapy. I wish more people/those relentless askers had a chance to read it.
Thank you everyone for all your awesome comments! Makes me feel great, I'm glad you guys love it. Hopefully you guys can use it as I will... just think of this letter whenever someone starts harassing you. You can just smile and even bring up the mechanic example, or ask them a super random question about something they would have no control over themselves! :) Heck you could even bookmark it for the harder days! I found I felt way better about waiting even just proofreading it earlier today lol... I felt like a huge weight was off my shoulders.
@Wonderwoman217: I feel so honored that you would like to post it on your facebook! Go for it!! :)
@authentic:Okay, great, thanks! I have a friend on there who is also waiting, (she hasn't joined The Bee yet, even though I've clued her into its' awesomeness) and a few of the aforementioned busybodies who could benefit from reading it :) And hopefully, others will see it and share it as well :)
This is pure GREATNESS!!!! Love It! Bravo Bravo Bravo! SNAP SNAP SNAP....(snaps like at a spoken word event) haha...LOL
This is exactly why women get such a bad rap for being the ones who want to get married so bad. Because people are constantly interrogating and pressuring us to get it done already!! We might not even know if we want to get married to our SO or not, but we want teh badgering to stop so we'll walk down the aisle for some peace and quiet!!
Oh my word I wish I could send this to my WHOLE FAMILY and all of my family's friends I am so sick of hearing about it. I'm sure if they knew all the secret tears of frustration they wouldn't ask so many questions. But unfortunately I fear starting a chain mail to everyone I know would cause some issues lol.
This is so true. I remember the whole 'punched in the stomach' feeling all too well. Worded beautifully!
I could have written this!
Most of the time, I know that when people ask when we are getting engaged, they are just excited about it happening. And after nearly 7 years together, there are days when I think, "Whats the hold up? Lets get this show on the road!" BUT those days happen more frequently when I have people's questions buzzing in my ears....
And mine or any other waiting lady's pre-engagement time should not be spent trying to make excuses for why her man hasn't asked yet. Or answering friends questions about who will be in the wedding party.
Also, if you have a friend who is waiting, you don't need to tell her about your other friends who get engaged, when she doesn't know the other friend (I hope that makes sense). She doesn't need to know, she won't be going to that wedding, and you're just reminding her that she's still waiting...
Awesome letter!
*standing ovation**..I’d only add one thing : WHEN I TELL YOU WE ARE ENGAGED, DON’T SAY “FINALLY” or “ABOUT TIME”. Say Congratulations. my husband and I will be celebrating our first anniversary next week but it was TEN years of dating before he proposed. I spent so many times angry and depressed and defeated after well meaning friends and family lectured me about why we weren’t married yet---a few actually suggested that I get myself pregnant first! When we did get engaged it pissed me off that everyone said “finally” and then suggested that we go see a justice of the peace or have an informal wedding because we have been together so long. HOW RUDE!!!! So I am some how "lesser" than everyone else because I have been dating what you deem as "forever"???? I made the same mistake of questioning my man's love for me instead of telling folks to shove their comments where the sun don't shine.
I completely agree with this, and it's so eloquently put. It's how I felt, every single time someone would ask about my FH and I. I realized through other sites that not everyone agrees or understands this point of view, and I just ask that they give us girls who didn't/don't have the easiest 'waiting period' a break.
@authentic and everyone else on this board.. of course your man loves you and don't let other people get to you. It's about you and him, no one else.
Love this post!
I was chatting with my cousin-in-law one day about getting engaged, etc., and she actually said: "It must suck watching all of us get married and have kids and being the last one eh? You must feel like crap!"
DUH!!! Couldn't believe she said that. I just logged off of the chat with her after she made that comment. How do you answer that question without offending family?? "Yes, of course it sucks. And each time one of you gets engaged, married, or has a baby, I ball my eyes out because I've been waiting FOREVER and you've only had to wait 6 months!!"
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
GVD
Gwen von D- Ohh! I would have signed off too. I actually had my younger cousin tell me my guy needs to hurry up and marry me because it's been 1yr and 9 months and he married his child bride after 4 months of knowing each other and so she could get her kid back from child services. I mean, really.
So my question is: if its painful for other people to ask about being engaged, if it creates tension in your relationship, if it makes you question yourself-why are you on a wedding message board? Isnt that just torturing yourself? I know there can be support on the waiting board but I also see a lot of "Yay not waiting anymore!" posts. So why join a wedding community now? Unless you have a quick engagement, which doesnt seem likely after a big waiting period, you will have plenty of time to plan during your engagement.
I'm not trying to be snotty, it just seems like self (and relationship) destructive behavior.
@DollyLava: i understand what you're asking. our participating in a wedding planning community has no bearing on the effects of constantly hearing those questions or becoming the source of tension. those feelings are independent of the community. for myself, the mister and i are open about our timeline and expectations and talk fairly often so that has alleviated any chance of tension and we have been getting the "when are you getting married?" questions since before i really became super involved on the 'bee. in fact, a recently married friend constantly got those questions before she was engaged [they were dating about 10 years] and she wasn't on weddingbee.
the thing is, the board actually helps deal with these things, linking us with likeminded people who understand the process and can offer support and advice just as brides-to-be have found support with people also dealing with the ups and downs of planning a wedding.
the questions are going to happen. and tension might happen, depending on the situation. the waiting community helps people to be able to navigate those feelings.
Thank you all for the lovely comments and kudos! <3
I'm really happy everyone enjoyed this post. Corny as it sounds, it just came from my heart after a particularly rough week enduring questions from people. I'm glad someone can take something from it and relate!
I came across some other replies about it in the Blog section... just wanted to touch on it again here. I know not every Lady in Waiting experiences what I have, I just want everyone to know I wasn't trying to speak for every woman in a relationship. If you can relate and this makes you feel a little better from time to time, awesome. If not, that's fine too... I just don't want anyone thinking I'm trying to speak for everybody with this letter. It was literally just from my gut, I just wanted to write my frustrations out at the time. My thoughts were if someone could relate, fabulous. If not, at least I got to write a fun new piece and clear my head at the same time! :)
@DollyLava: To touch on your question, I don't even go to the Planning parts of the boards, ever. I only come to the Waiting section. The reason I do is because it really helps me feel better when I have a tough day.
As tea said:
"the thing is, the board actually helps deal with these things, linking us with likeminded people who understand the process and can offer support and advice just as brides-to-be have found support with people also dealing with the ups and downs of planning a wedding.
the questions are going to happen. and tension might happen, depending on the situation. the waiting community helps people to be able to navigate those feelings."
As well, like tea, I was getting questions about when we'd get engaged long before I even came across the boards, let alone joined! I only joined when I started getting really antsy about getting engaged.
And believe me, though there's a chance you may think otherwise, it's helped me and my relationship out beyond belief by having this outlet. Having other people in the community able to relate to how I'm feeling is just a bonus and helps me keep a calm head about me. Which in turn benefits my relationship.
authentic, I was totally in your shoes. I had to do the same nonchalant smile and shrug while I saw most of my friends getting engaged after 1 or 2 years of being in a relationship. While I'm not saying i wasn't thrilled that they were getting married, but it was a reminder that I wasn't there yet after 6 years. And I didn't need people who barely counted as acquaintances reminding me. The fact is that relationships are different for every couple and it took my husband 6 years to be ready to propose. We talked about being married, being together forever, so I knew it was coming and stalked WeddingBee for a few years before we finally did it. At the risk of sounding like every other "wedding-obsessed girl," I loved looking at wedding sites, without the ring. It's really amazing what some people come up with, and heck, I was researching for something I knew would be in my future. I don't think it's wrong or silly to plan ahead, and when it was my time, I knew exactly what kind of wedding I wanted.
also, this post should also be said for asking the next insensitive question: "When are you having children/Why aren't you pregnant yet?" :P
@authentic: This is awesome. My fiancé was a bit slow in asking and people were hounding me all the time about it! Then, they would get mad when I made some sarcastic comment back (even though it's typical of me). His roommates would even ask me, and I would always say, you know you probably know more than me so just talk to him if you care so much about my business. It is so annoying and you are spot-on with your post! I hope tons of people read it, because it really is true that your heart breaks a little bit every time someone mentions it.
Thanks so much for the post. We started dating very young, in college with no jobs at 19, and now at 14 years it's pretty much torture to endure the inevitable questions. As for being on this site being masochistic, no, I think it's actually helped me a great deal today - I havw had 6 people within the lasyt 3-4 months get engaged and start planning weddings, and of course, none of them ahve been together 14 eyars... the longest, I think, is 10 for two couples, and the shortest is 9 months (no, not because of a baby, just both of them are very excited together, and have been looking a long time). I love my friends and am happy for them... but I still want to be happy for me, and the knife in the heart from the "Why aren't you married/having kids" questions at 33 is killing me of late. I've been having panic attacks, and feeling like the lowest scum of the earth for being jealous, hurt or upset by the good news from friends. Seeing that I'm not crazy for how I feel has definitely helped me today. Thanks fo this post - I wish I could post it on Facebook without it appearing to be a "guilt-trip" to my BF... I know some others who could benefit from it.
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Dear Friends, Family, Coworkers, and Acquaintances:
I'm just going to come right out and say it.
If you know of a lady in waiting, do not ask her any questions regarding engagement unless she has said something to you about it.
I know you mean well, but to put it frankly, you're probably doing more harm than good in mentioning it. And especially, do not pull her aside IN FRONT OF her significant other and quietly ask if there have been any developments. On some level, I'm sure he would know what you're referring to. And if he had no idea? He'd definitely have some idea when he hears his beloved say "No, not yet... I'll let you know when it happens." Give the poor guy a break. Regardless where you feel they should be at in their relationship, he IS madly in love with her and wants to be with her forever.
Trust me, even if you're someone she barely talks to... that doesn't matter. The second he asks her to be his wife, or the second she even knows ANYTHING remotely close to when that will happen, she will be so happy, she will want to tell the entire world. And she'll more than likely tell you. I promise you that. I'm sure if she knew anything, you would know as well. This is why you have to vow to stop asking her questions about this subject. Yes, we know you mean well. We know you care about her and want her to be happy.
But I assure you, every single time anything engagement-related is said to her, and the love of her life has yet to ask, it breaks her heart a little inside. Each day that goes by without that taking place is just a reminder of what she wants so badly...and the fact that she just hasn't had her turn yet. Something that for one reason or another, she has to wait for. Granted, it will be fabulous when it finally does happen, you and I both know she will be giddy with excitement.
However, for the time being, any time you even so much as breathe the words have you guys talked...why doesn't he want....has he said anything....he should just do it already....what's taking him so long...
YOU ARE SUCKER PUNCHING HER IN THE STOMACH AND PUTTING A DAGGER INTO HER HEART.
You are NOT helping the situation in any way, shape, or form. In fact, you're probably making it a little worse, despite your best efforts. All you are doing is reminding her that her man hasn't picked her officially to be his wife yet, he hasn't stepped up and made that commitment. And you know what that does to her? It makes her question him. It makes her question their relationship. Even though she has found the man of her dreams and they both KNOW they want to grow old together. All the questions, prodding, and snide comments you make can cause unnecessary pressure and pain in their life together. Do you really want that for her? Do you want her to go home and cry after talking to you? Because more often than she cares to admit, that is something that is a very real possibility. She is already frustrated enough with the waiting, she doesn't need you to put salt in her wounds. And that is exactly what you do each and every time you mention anything. You are dumping huge amounts of salt in her wounds.
And another thing... why on earth are you even making these comments to her? She is not the one who does the asking (although in some cases she may be). She is not the one who isn't ready. She cannot read her man's mind or know his every single thought. SHE IS NOT HIM. So stop asking questions that only pertain to him and what HIS hold up is. Because no matter how many conversations they have had on the subject, good or bad, she cannot 'make' him ready. Nor does she want to. She wants him to become 150% ready to be her husband ON HIS OWN ACCORD. She doesn't want to have to cry, beg, plead, or convince him why they should take this step. She wants him to realize he cannot live without her and just has to make her his wife all by himself.
Believe me, if you can just bite your tongue or say something else when you want to talk about her getting engaged, you will help her out so much. She will feel more relaxed, she won't have getting engaged on her mind 24 hours a day, and will be able to just BE HAPPY with where they are in their relationship right now. Sure, she will have her down days. But because no one will be asking her about it constantly, interrogating her about things that are completely beyond her control... it won't be her sole focus.
This is what we want people! Because the second she stops thinking about it all, she feels free and goes back to being the happy-go-lucky, fabulous, amazing woman that her guy fell in love with. And I can bet, that's when he'll really start thinking about that next step.
So for future reference, just keep this in mind:
When it happens, you will know. The less you say about anything, the closer she will be to her dream come true.
And perhaps the most important thing to remember:
This is something in her life that is totally beyond her control. It is pointless to ask her why things aren't happening, or when they will happen, because she has no control over this.
See my point?
Let's say you took your car in to get worked on, and it was taking longer than you expected. Now, let's say you know absolutely NOTHING about fixing cars. And I mean nothing. Now you know your car is a very reliable car, but for some reason, it's just this one thing that's causing problems with it. Your mechanic is just plain awesome, one of the best. But on this particular visit, he has no idea what's up with the car. He can't even so much as give you a timeframe for when it will be done. Though this doesn't sit well with you, you trust your qualified mechanic. You know he will do his best and get everything sorted. Now I'm sure you'd get frustrated pretty quick if people kept coming up to YOU and asking YOU why it was taking so long for the mechanic to finish, what the hold up was, when it was going to be done, what his reasoning is for it not being done, what's wrong with him, what kind of mechanic does this, etc. I'm sure you'd be upset if people walked up and suggested to you that you should just up and get rid of both the car and the mechanic with it taking so long.
I want you to think about the above example any time you go to talk to your lady in waiting. Instead of asking about her pending engagement, just ask how she's doing that day. You'll keep her happy by doing that. Before you know it, one day when you ask how she is, she'll beam that her love asked for her hand.
Thanks for reading,
-Lady In Waiting