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@VickyAurea: This is exactly how I think my SO feels! And I am trying to talk about it without freaking him out. I am going to try in the next few weeks (updates will happen!), because I have to make some big choices soon about moving, finding a job, etc, and I want him to be a part of them...but I can't be the only one making such a big commitment. We've been together for 4 years, and he'll be 25 soon... I just feel like it's time...but I think he still thinks he's a "kid" who doesn't have what it takes to make those decisions.
Aww you were so close to being engaged then through mutual decision! But it's great he still wants to propose and not have that opportunity taken away :)
My SO is 24 too, he thinks he is too young to get engaged but he knows of plenty of friends who are engaged/married/have children so the realisation that he actually isn't that young has dawned on him too. Must be a guy things where they never want to call themselves a proper grown up or something :)
I have been with my SO for 6 1/2 years, I'm 24 and he's 23. We have talked about how we know we are getting married one day and plan for our future. However, I am the one that looks at it as I am too young and getting married is something "adults do". So I understand where your SO's are coming from. I think once he starts his real job and we move in together next year it will start to feel different, I hope so anyway.
Some men just take longer than others to realise theyre a grown up. My ex is 38 and thought he was too young to get hitched (not that it was on the cards for us). My SO is 33 and is a big kid at times. So congratulations on your progress. I don't even think it's all that minor, after all for a split second you were engaged. It'll happen soon :)
It is endearing that men want to be the ones to propose and, as my SO phrases "do things properly". I've contemplated proposing to him myself but I almost feel like I'd be taking something away from him. He really wants to do the whole ask my parents for their blessing, make it very special, get down on one knee deal wheras I just want to start the next chapter of our lives together.
@spaneshal: Well, we have several married with kids friends but they're all older than us except one who is my friend, not his. So, of his peers, people his age are not engaged. Nope. Of my peers, I have one engaged friend. So I totally understand thinking we're young - even though we won't marry until 2014 for financial reasons, we will still be one of the very first couples we know to marry and in some of our friendship circles the first. Take last Saturday as an example, we spent the evening playing poker with the boys (since I moved cities, I have no friends, so have been coming to terms with becoming one of the boys with SO and his friends) - 7 guys and me. I can't imagine any of them getting engaged any time soon, even though 3 of them have also been with their girlfriends for years now. Most people we know are students or graduated a year or two ago and I can totally see how, in our manic state of still flat-sharing with our friend, and taking career babysteps, SO would think we're still babies and he's not at proposing age yet. I get it. I just feel so excited that I want it to happen so I can finally tell everyone what we're lining up behind closed doors.
@love108: How far are you considering moving? I moved to join my SO, but I think it's different because I had just finished uni, so no attachments like a job or a home, and it wasn't perhaps that far compared to other bees' stories. Do you think that, for you, there will need to be a proposal to demonstrate that commitment?
@newenglandgirl: For us, he started his "real job" 2 years ago and we do live together. However, what I think might really swing it for him, is when I start my "real job" in January and then once we move flats in Feb/March to live on our own, just us, which is something we haven't done before. Once we're settled into those things (a new home and a new financial situation) I think he may start to feel grown up.
@Miss Circe: It's not even something he has plans for or has thought about much. He really hasn't thought about rings or proposals or anything so it isn't like he has plans it doesn't want to scrap but I honestly think he just wants a good story. He reckons it'd be rubbish to not have a story. I think at that point I said something soppy, full of tears, about the story being "that the person I want to spend the rest of my life with asked me if I'd like to spend the rest of my life with them and they said yes". He responded with "would you like to spend the rest of your life with me?", i said "yes", and then we proceeded to get split-second engaged as ladyartichoke called it, and then un-split-second-engaged. Oh well, it is endearing, as you say, because it will be nice to have a dramatic story after all. Even if it isn't necessary, it could be awesome.
@love108: Hmm, well, I think it's Peter Pan Syndrome when you're a bit older than SO and I are. 24 and 21 is really not that old, so it does make sense to feel we're too young. It's old enough to be considering engagement, sure, but it isn't all that old (our adult lives are really just starting now) and people will certainly, with no shadow of a doubt, think we are too young to marry (even though I'll be 24 myself by the time we marry).
@VickyAurea: I don't have a link right on me, but you can read all about my predicament, it's on the waiting board under "need advice!" I am 23, he is 25. I am finishing grad school, and would be moving to join him (he's still in graduate school), but there aren't a lot of job opportunties where he is (it's more rural-- I love it there, btu I would definitely be putting my career on not quite the backburner). I just don't think I can move without some more commitment. I'd have to uproot my life about 500 miles.
@VickyAurea: Hopefully that does the trick! For me I started having a "real job" about 1 1/2 ago but my SO won't be starting his until early next year because it takes foreverrr to get into a government job. (He started the process a year ago) So while we are waiting for that we both still live at home so even though I come and go as I please it's easy to avoid feeling "adult".
Maybe once you two move out and are living on your own and you have started your new job it will be a good time to bring it up again and see where you both are. That could very well be what it takes for him to be ready to take that step.
@love108: I moved to another country without a ring, but with the understanding that within the next 3 years I wanted to be married (knowing this would lead to engagement in 12ish months), and if he didnt I needed to know then so I wouldnt move. I had just finished my undergrad and had nothing holding me home and he is established in his career and wanted me with him.
I can 100% see where you are coming from, with the poor job market and him still being in grad school. I would want a commitment as well, I thought i wouldnt move without one..but then just took the plunge if it didnt work out I could always come home
I think my guy is pretty much similar onto the fact that he has no reason at all not to marry me and he knows he will someday...so it's hitting him that he is indeed ready mentally. I know he has one more week left of school....he already landed his dream job...he is pretty much there. 
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An update for you - nothing major, just minor, minor progress. But any progress is great!
Last night, SO and I had a chat and I think we got (a little bit) somewhere. He said that it isn't that he feels not ready to get engaged for any particular reason, we both have obviously known we're going to get married for a very, very long time now (having been together 7 1/2 years) but for a weird reason he still feels like proposing is something that people older than him do. But when he thinks about it, he is 24 and he realises that isn't so young and people do get married at his age. So then he wonders why it is that he thinks he isn't ready and there's not really a reason at all. I think he's finally getting (a little bit) comfortable with the idea. :)
Inspired by katiebeary's recent mutual engagement decision, which I adored, I asked if we can just say we are engaged because we both already agree we're getting married and planning a little for getting our wedding on track (research, saving). For a moment, he agreed that yes, we are engaged... but then he realised he would feel let down that he hadn't proposed to me, so it's back to the waiting game. And I still think it's going to be a very long wait.