haha what percentage can you spend? I wanna know if we're doin it right :)
I love Dave Ramsey! And congrats on being debt free, that's awesome! I'm also curious to hear what the "allowed" percentage is.
Grrr - I can't find anything that specifically states it but I remember him preaching that you were not allowed to go into debt over a wedding and you didn't have to be all the way through the Baby Steps to do it. So, I guess what I'm saying is, if you're paying CASH - do whatever you want. (insert evil laugh for FI's sake)
He has a lot of great principles, but weddings aside he mainly preaches for people to not use credit at all. This in itself is not a great idea because if you don't maintain any sort of credit or go cutting up your cards, you won't have any credit and that's just as a bad as having bad credit. In order to have "good credit" you need to have active credit accounts. When you go to apply for a mortgage or a house, you need to have good credit history. I'm sure most of us would love to have cash to plunk down on a house, but in reality that just isn't the case.
I think if he could encourage responsible use of credit cards rather than not using credit at all, he'd really be on to something. I personally put everything on my cards all month long as if I am using it like my debit card. I pay it off about 2x a month and rake in a ton of rewards (cash back mostly) I was averaging about $100-125+ a month for a while on my chase card, but switched to another card recently that gives me rewards back by way of a credit towards the princple on my mortgage. Now to me, that makes a lot more sense that paying with cash...
So, I guess my point is that just because you use credit to buy something, doesn't necessarily mean you are in "debt". If you pay it off and you wind up better than you were before....it puts you ahead. It's just having the willpower to do it and I wish he would teach that instead. That using credit does not necessarily = debt and he should encourage people to spend responsibly. He does have some great advice though to those that are already in a lot of debt and how to snowball it down. I suppose a great majority of his listeners are in this position and maybe that's why he suggests that route. Sometimes it's too hard for people to break the cycle. I just wish he would distinguish the difference.
A little background on me...I had my credit destroyed about 10 years ago by an ex. It took me a year or two to know what had happened, and when I say destroyed, the guy had credit cards in my name, he had utility bills in my name...somehow he had his HOSPITAL bills in my name. I was young and never married or even engaged to him and have no idea how he did this. I spent YEARS cleaning up this mess and more often than not paying off bills that had nothing to do with me just to get them off my credit report. I couldn't get any credit of my own and I found out just how hard life was with bad credit. Getting an apartment, job, etc. I suffered for years cleaning up this mess that had nothing to do with me and now that it's all cleaned up I can appreciate how incredibly important it is to have good credit. So, I just worry that his listeners will chop up their cards and never use credit...which will lead to them having no credit at all and then when they really need to buy something like a house, they won't be able to...
Just wanted to give some history so I didn't seem like a big B.
I do have a question about paying off debt using the debt snowball. I mean, geez, once I read this it seemed to simple and logical.
So you're supposed to pay the minimum balance on other credit cards and focus on the balance that is the smallest? Do when you focus on the balance that is the smallest, do you pay it off in one payment or what? I have a few small balances on store cards that I can just pay off in one swoop. But then I have a card w/$1500 balance on it and I know I'm not going to be able to slap $1500 down to rid the balance.
Advice?
If you could pay off the smaller cards, it would be a good idea to do that. Then you take all the money you would have been paying as the "minimum monthly payment" on those smaller cards and pay that in addition to what you were already paying on the bigger balance card. So, you are still paying the same monthly payment basically, you are just lumping it into one bigger payment on the highest balance card, once the smaller ones are paid off.
Did I explain that okay? I haven't had my coffee yet and I'm exhausted.
@2010bride2bee - Yes. Thanks so much. I appreciate it.
@2010bride2bee--Wow! Thanks for sharing your story. I can't imagine having to go through that!
I agree that Dave Ramsey's approach works really well to get people out of debt, small or large, and get on the right track...but using no credit at doesn't make much sense (unless you're the shopaholic type that can't stop spending $ you don't have)
If carefully used credit is necessary to buy most big purchases in life. I'm not one to follow any particular finance person religiously...I think it works best to take notes on different points from different people, depending on what makes sense for you.
Right now, we pay off our credit cards every month, but I have significant student loands that we can't snowball right now because of one income and paying for my husband's grad school. Not all advice works for every situation.
@2010bride0 i agree with you. I do the same thing as you. I see no point at all to getting less than I can for my money. By using credit cards and paying off the balance in full every month, I have stellar credit, I have no credit card debt, and I make money on every purchase. :)
I heard Dave talking about how much one "could" spend on a wedding and he figured it out to be half of your annual household income. I think that's a crazy high amount to spend, but he was working solely off the average cost of a wedding and the average household income. ($25K for a wedding and $50K for an income)
Personally, I enjoy listening to Dave but I don't subscribe to everything he says. For one thing, I don't tithe and he assumes everybody does and should. He also recommends you don't contribute to retirement while you're getting out of debt. Personally, I couldn't imagine not putting anything in retirement because I have student loans. I agree that debt is bad in general, but responsibly using credit is the only way I'll ever be able to afford a house. (And unfortunately, living in southern California, I doubt I'll be able to put 20% down and finance the mortage on a 15 year that only takes 25% of my income.)
All that said, we are paying for our wedding with cash (or credit that's paid off the next month) as much as possible.
His logic behind not using credit cards is that if you follow his plan you won't need credit for any purchase. Not even for a car. The only purchase you would even possibly need credit for is for a home, but then again if you can buy a car free and clear you can probably save up a hefty down payment for a home.
I can't say I follow his plans. I'd like to, but I don't have that much will power.
@charmedlife: I'm so the same way. All his ideas make sense and sound great, but I'm kind of lacking in the will power.
I hear you Charmedlife and agree for the most part. I put 25% down on my home, but still could not get the mortgage for the other 75% without credit. That's my only concern. I am debt free and agree with his overall principle I just think that he needs to teach people that there is more to credit than credit cards and everyone does need a good credit history these days...from getting a mortgage, to a job in some fields, to getting better insurance rates (which I think is ridiculus, but they still do it) to get a bank account at many places today. My credit was just pulled to open a SAVINGS account a few weeks ago at a local bank. So, all I'm trying to say is that it IS important to have good credit and having no credit is almost as bad as actually having bad credit. That's my only beef with Dave Ramsey. I think his appraoch to eliminating debt is right on!
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Alright - I've seen a lot of reference to Dave lately. Thought I'd give him some props for those that don't know about him.
Are you struggling with debt or financial infidelity - read, watch or listen to Dave. He can be found at DaveRamsey.com.
Anyone catch his show last week where a listener wanted to know how much they could spend on their wedding? My FI and I had "play argued" about this one before. He thought Dave would say AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE but he didn't. He stated the average wedding was $25,000 or something like that and said it was okay to spend it based on their incomes. I laughed as my budget is only $10,000 and way under the percentage he said was "allowed" to spend based on my income. (We are both debt free other than the mortgage). I laughed and laughed while the FI pouted. He even wrote on Dave's fb wall that he was disappointed with the advice. lol