Post # 1
Hi Bees! My apartment community is having a mini war regarding where dog owners should allow their pets to go potty and the photography of irresponsible dog owners, so I thought I’d see how my fellow bees feel regarding the following topic.
Our community has no grass areas. It is in a fairly commercial area right next to public transit railways and has raised planter beds lining the building and tanbark areas dotted with drought resistant landscaping on each corner of the community. There is a “dog run” on one side of the parking lot that is a three foot wide section of gravel that backs up to a chain link fence and has a curb and the community driveway on the other edge (cars drive by fast and the area is very small). There are dog poop pickup stations with free baggies and a garbage can on two of the tanbark corners and in the dog run area. There are a few office buildings nearby that have grass, so we’ve always taken our dog over there to do her ‘business.’ We take our dog on really long walks anyway so that she isn’t running laps around our dining table (she’s a boxer – very high energy without a good amount of exercise), so it hasn’t ever been something we’ve thought much about, but recent events have intrigued me.
A while ago, some of our neighbors were leaving their dogs droppings out (literally all over – in the tanbark areas, in the dog run, on sidewalks, etc.) and many residents, understandably, got upset and complained. After enough complaint, management enacted a policy requesting that residents take photos of people whose dogs go to the bathroom in the wrong areas and/or don’t pick up after their dogs so that the office can then contact the owners and/or fine them (with a reward for the photographer). This outraged a lot of the dog owners and created conflict about which areas are the ‘correct’ areas to take dogs out. When we moved in, we were never told that dogs are not allowed to go potty on the tanbark. Some of the original residents were even told they were allowed to go there specifically. We’ve never taken our dog there, but we were never instructed not to and many others said the same. The doggy pickup stations on the tanbark corners are also slightly misleading.
Management is now saying that dogs are only allowed to go in the “dog run” area, are encouraging neighbors to take photos of each other ‘in the act’ of doggy disobedience and say they will continue to fine those found letting their pets go potty elsewhere on the property (due to odor concerns or something like that?) and reward those who submit photos. Lots of dog owners are now pissed off because they feel the puppy paparazzi is an invasion of their privacy, their dogs can’t ‘hold it’ or might have an accident trying to get to the side of the building that has the “dog run,” their dogs don’t like ‘going’ in the dog run because they tend to slide around in the gravel while trying to ‘go,’ and/or they were previously told that they could ues the tanbark areas and the new information is not in their signed leases/factored into their decision to move here. Yesterday, a woman posted a comment on our community website describing a neighbor in detail whose dog was urinating in the tanbark area, saying that she photographed the person/gave the photo to management and is disappointed that people don’t take pride in their community.
So, do you think the puppy paparazzi policy and fines are fair? Do you have any ideas for solutions to the problem? Thoughts? I’m curious!
This topic was modified 2 years, 4 months ago by indyJEEP.
Post # 2
I am totally fine with the photographs given to management, not okay with the ‘reward.’ What if the owner then bends down and picks it up? Not something shown on film evidence.
they should sod the dog run to make it easier on the dogs. Peeing on the tan bark and fake turf is disgusting, there are no places for soil bacteria to live and break down the waste matter. How unsanitary! At least with the gravel it could soak down into the ground eventually… But that building must absolutely stink.
Post # 3
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indyJEEP: Yikes! I totally understand your comment about, what if the dog stops to pee on the way to the area where the apartment complex allows them to pee? You can’t really stop your dog from doing that?! Also, like PP said, what if someone is going to clean up after their dog but the photo only shows the dog going, not the owner cleaning it up after?
I don’t think WHERE the dog goes to the bathroom is an issue, let’s be honest, most outdoor places are one animals or anothers bathroom. The cleaning it up should be the real issue the complex is concerned with.
If I were you I wouldn’t worry about the photographing, because it doesn’t seem like you’re part of the problem in your complex.
Out of curiousity, how is the complex rewarding the photographers?
Post # 4
I completely understand not wanting dog crap everywhere, but this seems extreme. It can be impossible to MAKE a dog go in a certain area, and what are you supposed to do, drag them down the sidewalk if they start to poo in the wrong place? It’s not like you can make them stop lol. I think the apartment building should arrange some other areas for the dogs to potty in if this is really that big of an issue for so many residents.
Post # 5
The dog owners should clean up after their dogs. If I owned the building, I would install cameras so I could see who was being a dick like that.
I don’t think the residents should be part of it, though. Like someone else said, what if the person takes a picture of the dog doing its business, but then not of the owner picking up and disposing of said business?
Post # 6
babeba: I agree that they should put sod in the dog run area – I think a lot of dog owners would be much more responsive to having to use that area if it were grassy, but the complex doesn’t want to install sprinklers on that side of the lot (at least that’s the impression I got when it was brought up). Surprisingly, the tanbark areas don’t really smell… the grass at the office buildings where we go does though (I feel bad that many of our building’s owners mess their grass up, eek). My initial thoughts were that I’d be really upset if someone photographed me, but that’s also because my dog goes where she’s ‘supposed to’ about 99% of the time, so I would be really upset if that rare accident/emergency got caught on camera and I received a fine for it. It would be one thing if management was made aware and then spoke with owners regarding the situation, but I worry about the fine factor because the photograph may not show the full situation (potty emergencies or accidents, etc.). Maybe a fine for repeat offenders would be better. I also get the impression that many of the dog owners her are on the lazier side and are coming up with excuses to not use the dog run or grassy areas haha.
mchitt329: That is the biggest argument – a lot of people are worried that the photos may misrepresent the situation. Some owners are upset because they have male dogs who ‘mark’ their territory and worry about being fined, etc. I don’t mind so much if people use the tanbark (because it hasn’t smelled bad thus far), but I do feel that people need to clean up after their pets and should be somehow be held accountable for their actions. The fines are $50, but management hasn’t disclosed what the reward would be – maybe a rent credit?
My dog had an emergency situation today (she actually jumped up into the raised planter bed the second we left the building and went, so it was a big emergency, poor thing) and all I could think about was whether or not someone was trying to take my photo, blah.
Post # 7
Westwood: I agree. Because the complex doesn’t seem to want to sod the dog run area, residents have suggested turning one or more of the tanbark areas into grassy areas since there are sprinklers already installed there, but the office seems to keep skirting around the topic. It would eventually become some pretty nasty grass, but it would at least be a slightly more sanitary option than the tanbark.
peachacid: The funny thing is that there are cameras EVERYWHERE – everywhere except the tanbark areas, haha! For a while, there was a person letting their dog pee in the elevator every day and they narrowed down the offender using the hallway cameras, thank goodness. The whole situation has really been a bummer because there’s a sense of distrust amongst neighbors. I felt really bad for the person who was described on the community website too, because it was an easily recognizable person and she’s newer to the building so she may not have known she was doing anything wrong (like I said, we were never instructed not to use the tanbark either). Frustrating situation.
Post # 8
Oh, please Dogs don’t go to the potty. They relieve themselves. Sorry, but its a particular peeve of mine.
Post # 9
You don’t have any expectation of privacy when you are in a public space like the shared areas of an apartment complex.
i think it’s foolish of the managers to pit neighbor against neighbor. They could have solicited the information to lead to the bad pet owners in a much more discreet manner. However, I see nothing at all wrong with expecting residents to use only an appropriate area for their dogs to do their business, and I see nothing at all wrong with other residents photographing the offenders and reporting them. I also think tanbark isn’t a good location for the dogs to do their business because it’s expensive to replace and difficult/expensive to clean.
Post # 10
It seems lazy on the properties part to rely on residents to do their job for them. They should install cameras in these areas to find the culprits themselves. I live in an apartment complex with lots of old people and bored stay at home moms who would make it their job to enforce this policy just to make a few bucks. That just creates unnecessary drama. It’s hard enough for people to tolerate neighbors without meddling into each others lives to make a profit.
Post # 11
arosebyanyothername: People being unnecessarily annoying about someone else’s word choice is a particular pet peeve of mine.
Post # 12
But childish euphamisms bug me. Have at me if ya like.
Post # 13
indyJEEP: AHHH! This sounds just like my apartment complex. They sent us an email about a year ago to tell us that our dogs were turning the grass brown and that we couldn’t have our dogs pee on the grass near our buildings. Instead, they wanted us to take them to the “medians” in the center of our parking lot (which arent even grass – just dirt). Last I checked, I can’t tell my dog to wait to pee until we get to the middle of the parking lot – he’s a damn dog – he’s gonna pee as soon as we get outside!
They also were big on the picture taking thing – but they got ridiculous with it. My neighbor got a fine for having a dog over 25 pounds ( a rule in our complex ) and she has a TINY beagle that weighs less than my dog (who weights about 22 pounds). She also got a fine for abandoning a truck in the parking lot…which wasn’t hers. How they came up with their name, not sure.
They too wanted us to report people who didnt pick up / take pictures of their dogs doing it.
It was a hot topic for about a month, and then I never heard about it again. I talked to a lot of the other dog owners and we all kind of decided we would NOT be following hte pee in the median rule. It went away pretty quickly and I haven’t heard about it again.
Good luck! Hopefully it will blow over quickly…
Post # 14
I think the poor dogs should be able to pee or poop when and where they need to as long as it isn’t on the sidewalk and the poop is picked up. My sister’s apartment lets the dog owners do their own thing but they have to pick the up poop. She actually had to put her dog’s DNA on file so that if poop was found it could be tested for DNA and that person would get a fine. That I think is a little extreme but I would do it over having to worry about my neighbores taking pictures of me and my dog if he can’t hold it to get to the correct area.
Post # 15
Interesting… I have a dog. And my dog goes to the bathroom where I make her go because that is not shes trained. I don’t know what to think about people who say their dog has pee and poop flying all over as soon as they are outside and theres no control over the situation.
As far as sod… I live in Mexico. Its hotter than hell all the time and theres no such thing as sod i my city anywhere ever. So, I can truthfully say dogs do not need sod to go to the bathroom, if they did my dog would never relieve herself. But, I do agree that dog pee ruins sod. And if the sod does not belong to the individual they have no right to take their dog to go to the bathroom on the sod. Dog pee and poop should not ruin other peoples property and stuff.
The bag thing to pick up the poop confuses me… I always carry a bag with me when my dog walks. So if people carried bags with them to clean up they would not have to worry about people taking pictures with them not being ready with a bag.