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    Sunshine23    July 17, 2010   Canada

    This probably isn't the correct area to post this.

    I'm catholic. I went to a catholic school from grade 3 until I graduated high school. When I was younger I went through the baptism, communion, reconciliation, confirmation and we went to church on a pretty regular basic. For the last 7 years I haven't gone too much. I do love to go at Christmas with the family.

    I believe in god, but I swear, on BC, premarital sex, etc... All the things Catholics aren't supposed to do.

    FI is not religous at all. His mom is Christian but never goes to church. As a kid, FI would go to church once in a while but doesn't understand anything of the bible.

    He tries to tell me that Im not very religiouis because I swear, etc...

    We've had 1 discussion about our future children. He asked if I'd want to baptise my kids. I said yes... WELL that got to him!

    "What if I don't want my children to be religious".

    I think you're better off to have a religion then NOT. But I have no idea how to persuade him into it when the time comes :-(

    Anyone else deal with this?

     
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    MissHelen    November 20, 2010   California

    Yes. But in the opposite scenario. FI is Catholic and I believe in God, but I'm not what I would call religious. We want to be blessed in the Catholic church, but I had a lot of reservations about having our children baptized. I'm liberal, pro-gay rights, pro BC, etc and I was afraid that my children would become what I thought was the stereotypical Catholic. I was also concerned that I would be sitting in the pews while my kids went up for communion, and was I okay with that?  It wasn't until after we started talking to the marriage coordinator and learned more about what X, Y, and Z would mean that I became more comfortable with it.Plus, something that FI said to me: "Think about the kind of Catholic that I am, and that's pretty much what it'll be like". I can live with that.

    ETA: These days, we can use all the community we can get.

     
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    Rosiebear    September 4th 2010   Somerville MA

    That is such a tricky issue...spirituality AND children!  You may want to talk with him openly about your faith and his belifes.  Do you belive in baptism washing away original sin, or is it more the ritual that you want?  My FI and I are both Secular Humanists (former Catholics) and we are planning on having "welcoming ceramonies" for our children, a gathering of loved ones where we introduce out baby to the world and celebrate with well wishes, blessings, hopes and dreams for the future, etc.  We are hoping this will fullfill our own spiritual needs while allowing our Catholic family members to give thier own traditional blessings.  This may be a neutral option for you...but if original sin is a concern for you, it is certainly a topic to discuss in detail before having children.  Perhapes if he knows how important it is to you, he may understand better. 

     
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    nurseamanda    July 17, 2010   Tx

    well i'm not catholic but my fiance is.  growing up, i experienced many different religions, my mother is catholic and my dad baptist, so they kind of wanted me to choose what was right for me.  while i respect that decision, and it DID work out for me, i do plan on having my children baptized.  if they are ever unhappy or do not believe in something, it will never be forced upon them, but i want them to feel they "belong" to a group, that will always be there for them.  does that make sense?  sometimes i wished i "belonged" more, to a church, or circle of people.  i totally understand what you're saying.  maybe you can talk it over more with him.

     
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    caitlanc    September 12, 2009   Western Slope of Colorado

    We're in a similar boat except that it's reversed.  DH religious and I'm not so much.  Since I don't believe in Original Sin (and therefore that babies don't need to be blessed with Holy Water in order to avoid Purgatory) I'm not comfortable with having our future children baptized.  He's more in the but-that's-the-way-it's-always-been-done-therefore-that's-what-you-do boat.  Also, there's a christening gown that's a family heirloom and tradition. 

    I know Original Sin isn't the only reason babies are blessed/baptized/christened anymore.  Maybe you ladies can tell us your faith's interpretations of the ceremony and possibly Sunshine's FI and myself can find a reasons we're comfortable with?  A compromise seems like a good possibility, at least for our situation.

    ETA: Wow.  I'm typing slow today!  Lots of good answers all ready!  Rosiebear - That's exactly the sort of thing I'm hoping to do! 

     
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    nurseamanda    July 17, 2010   Tx

    @misshellen- you totally put my thoughts into words!

     
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    Sunshine23    July 17, 2010   Canada

    I guess it's more the ritual I want... I like knowing the history of jesus, the bible, etc... FI doesn't know any of that and I want our children to know it and have the option of going to church as an adult.

    I've never been a "bible thumper" or anything like that but I think it's good to have a religion.

     
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    EvaBostonTerrier    July 3, 2010  

    I grew up in a basically Baptist church, however, my FI went to a Catholic school K-12.  Neither of us are very devout, but we have discussed what will happen when we have children.  We are interested in finding a church that is a little more open minded and "liberal" in a way.  We like the basic tenets of Christianity, but don't believe in all the "little things" (BC etc).  I am in favor of baby dedications but not baptisms - to me, baptisms occur when a person can consciously make a decision about their beliefs.  We also want to expose our children to a lot of different beliefs - explain why we believe the way we do - but as the children grows, they will have to make a decision about what they personally believe.

     

    Sorry if that was jumbled - I have a meeting soon!

     
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    Jacqi    February 28, 2009  

    You can't get married in the Catholic church unless you agree to do everything in your power to have the children baptized Catholic. So I don't know if that will become an issue for you.

    I definitely think a church community is important for children.

    Have you discussed anything beyond baptism? Like will you teach them Bible stories and raise them Catholic? I think you can persuade him to have the children baptized using the logic that you can baptize the baby and you can continually reevaluate the religious development of the child. It's not an all or nothing thing. Does going to church and learning about Jesus really hurt anyone? What does he have against it?

     
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    MissHelen    November 20, 2010   California

    @ Sunshine23: Regarding the history comment, I didn't either and being the bookwork that I am got curious and started reading the bible (I also plan on reading the Torah, the Qu'ran, etc) and I have to say that from a secular point of view it's a pretty juicy read! You've got polygamy, smiting, intrigue, incest, unconditional love under extraordinary circumstances, murder, the whole nine yards and I'm only up to Exodus! Tell him that, maybe he'll read it himself and be a bit more comfortable.

     
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    I'm a buffet Catholic.  I take what I want and leave what I don't.  As I understand it, more and more Catholics are doing the same.  I don't believe in all tennets of Catholocism, but I think it's important for my children to grow up knowing religion and believing in God.  DH grew up in the Pentacostal church, his dad is a minister.  He HATES religion because of it.  But he agreed that it's important for children to believe in God, so he's ok with baptism.

    Does anyone know if the church will baptize your kids even though you didn't have a Catholic wedding and one of you isn't Catholic??

     
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    Sunshine23    July 17, 2010   Canada

    We're not getting married in a catholic church... we're just doing it in a hotel with a Justice of the Peace.

    I don't think you have to get married in a catholic church to have a child baptised and only 1 parents has be catholic.

    @Mighty - I agree about the buffet catholc. I suppose that's what you could call me.

    @MissHelen - I'll definitley try to get him to read it, but I doubt he will. He's stubborn!

    I'm at work so it's hard to comment on everything right now. When I get home, I want to read thru everyones comments again.  

     
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    chicklet1587    November 12, 2011  

    My cousin and his wife did not get married in a catholic church and when they had their daughter they had to get married again in order to get her baptized in the catholic church.  There "first" marriage was not recognized by the church.

     
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    blackcherry    September 2010   Florida

    I really, really, really think that this is something that you two need to work out before you get married.  The two of you are pretty opposite on this, and it has the potential to tear your marriage apart or make you very resentful of each other.

    I am going to say something, that I don't mean to be inflammatory, so I hope you won't take it the wrong way but...

    Your post comes across like you don't really respect his beliefs.  You are looking for a way to make him agree with you.  For some things, this is not such a big deal, but religious beliefs (even the lack of) are deeply personal.  They are an integral part of his character.  It is perfectly reasonable of him to want to raise his children with his own beliefs.

    I'm not saying you are wrong to want your children to be religious, but you have to recognize that his beliefs are just as important to HIM as your beliefs are to you.

    A compromise that I think is a good idea is that he allow you to have them baptised as infants (I believe Catholics do this?  Correct me if I'm wrong...).  Then you both keep doing what you are doing now as they grow up.  You can each share your beliefs with them, and you can take them to church every once in a while (the way you currently attend).  And then once the kids are old enough to understand the decision, they can decide at that point if they want to join the Catholic church or not.

    That is just one idea.  Whatever you decide, you both have to agree on it or you will have so much friction and resentment in your marriage once children come along.

     
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    lilyfaith    June 23, 2012   Lakeview, Chicago

    This is just my personal opinion, notwithstanding my religious views: I think you should raise your kids with the ability to make that decision for themselves. Introduce them to the church, but also let your FI show them the other side of things. There is a great Richard Dawkins quote: "there are no religious children, only children of religious parents" - at a young age, you can believe that god loves them, but they haven't truly been able to figure out what they believe. The best thing you can do for them is give them the tools to decide that for themselves. 

    ETA: I think it's offensive to say better a religion than not. That's implying that atheists don't have a core philosophy that they live by, or that there is something fundamental missing in lack of a religion. 

     
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    veganglam    January 5, 2013   Philadelphia; Wedding in NYC

    I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school from ages 5-18; FI was raised Catholic and went to a Catholic all-boys' high school.  Both of us have now very consciously left the church and will most certainly not be raising our children religiously, but I would not trade my religious schooling for anything and will be educating my children about many different religious traditions.  As you can see, I was able, upon becoming an adult, to make my own decisions regarding religion, and I was better able to do it than someone who doesn't really understand religion and the depths of its doctrines because I had been schooled to understand its ins and outs for thirteen years.  It has given me a truly beneficial perspective, and I appreciate that.  Although I do hope you can come to some genuine agreements about the upbringing of your children, you should point out to your FI that if your children are being baptized in the eyes of the Catholic God, and he truly does not believe said Catholic God does not exist, then the baptism means nothing.  It won't hurt your children in any way, it will only benefit them if they plan to follow the Catholic faith later in life, when they are capable of making their own decisions.  Frankly, I'd encourage you guys to raise you children Catholic, while also making resources available to them that provide a non-religious perspective (most wise religious people I have met agree that you can't be truly committed to your religion unless your faith has been tested; blind faith means nothing).  When they're adults, they will have seen all that you find to be helpful, beautiful, and whatnot in the Catholic religion, and if they agree with you, then they'll be Catholic.  If not, then they'll probably live good lives as secular people, or people of a different faith, because they have parents who cared about their well-being.

     
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    chelseamorning    November 1, 2008   Washington, DC/Atlanta

    I think you need to have a larger conversation about what role religion is going to play in your lives and in the lives of your future children. This isn't a talk to put off until the babies are here---have it now.

     
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    leighannd    April 30, 2011   brooklyn, ny

    I had this almost EXACT same issue! I grew up Catholic, then fell out of it and do all the "non catholic" things you mentioned haha... My fiance is not religious at all, and in fact was very against religion.

    Heres what I did: I explained to him why its important to me, and also why i felt it was important to our future children. I told him that it really helps to have a set of morals you can reflect back on. On a set of "rules" if you will - it helps to have a basic structure. I also explained to him that not every Catholic is a strict Catholic - and just because we raised our children Catholic did not mean that we had to believe in all the things the Church teaches (I know people will disagree with me on this, but its my personal opinion to follow the Bible - not nessecarily new rules the Church makes up most of which I feel go against what Jesus taught, but aanyyyway....). 

    But then heres the hard part: I had to back it up!

     

    Suprisingly enough, he understood what I was saying and agreed. In his case, he decided he wanted to take classes so he wouldnt be in the dark, and he wanted to learn more about it. Then I had to show that I meant it - by returning to church every Sunday, with him. Which - I have to be honest, as an adult - isnt so bad. Its actually kind of nice to have this set time and day to spend with him, even if we're just sitting/standing/kneeling hehe next to eachother.

    im starting to understand that phrase - the family that prays together stays together! Might actually be true! haha.

    Also - I agree with chelseamorning - this is a talk you need to have NOW. Children are a big deal, they might not seem so now - but they will be. And you want to make sure you are both on the same page and ready when it happens.

     
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    otb    December 31, 2009   Chicago, IL

    I'm (a semi-lapsed) Catholic  and my husband is not.  We will be baptizing our kids because I want them to have faith in something, even if they choose in their adulthood to not belong to the Catholic Church, I will be ok with that, but I do want to raise them with faith.  My husband is ok with it, he went to a Catholic high school so he feels like he will at least be able to have some participation in our kids faith.  I think you should just explain to him how you feel about it that it's not exactly the "religious" aspect that you like, but you want your children to be raised to believe in something.  I think sometimes that  if kids aren't raised to believe in something they can become pretty big cynics, my husband is proof of that.

     

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