Post # 1
Looking at the average pay, overtime, and benefits package the BART employees get who are striking, i’m just enraged that they are shutting down BART with their strike to ask for a 23% raise over the next 5 years. Um, you make train announcements for 8 hours a day, and you make more than people researching cures for diseases with masters degrees. Feel free to STFU and resume train service.
I’m lucky enough to be able to take a new ferry route to work (oakland to south san fran) but they’ve taken away the free ferry parking!! WTH! My commute is going from $7/day to $21/day because of the strike.
Here’s the SFGate article about it:
Who else is fed up?!
Post # 3
I think we all need to preserve the right to withold our labor. Unions have done much to raise the standard of living of other workers. If it weren’t for unions no one would have benefits from their jobs. Most employers only give what they are forced to.
Comparing the value of one job to another simply doesn’t work. Why do we as a society place such a high value on actors, entertainers, athletes etc? Does anyone think Snooki deserves more money than a teacher, nurse etc ?
Post # 4
@julies1949: Actors, entertainers, and athletes get paid so well because they provide something that the general public is willing to shell out lots of money for. What they do personally brings in money to their employers, so they get paid a lot.
Post # 5
I’m not saying they don’t have the right to strike, i’m saying their demands, given the average wages for people in their positions with their level of education, are unreasonable, and holding 400,000 people hostage to get a 23% wage increase when they already make almost 6 figures is both ridiculous and IMO, unethical.
Do you know who this is *really* hurting? The poorer people who do shift work who can’t be late because BART is down. The people who can’t work from home, or drive late/come home late for the day. This has a legit impact on a LOT of people’s ability to be able to care for their families, and it is selfish as HELL that they are willing to go there given that they already make tens of thousands above the median wage.
Post # 6
@strawbabies: I understand that. I was responding to the OP’s comment that you make train announcements for 8 hours a day, and you make more than people researching cures for diseases with masters degrees.
It isn’t about the relative value of jobs. All jobs are needed and necessary. This is demonstrated perfectly when people go ballistic at the mere threat of job action to the transit they use.
It’s about the collective power to negotiate better salaries and benefits.
Post # 7
@crayfish: That is my situation exactly. I can’t work from home, and I don’t have anything like paid leave. Even with all that, I’m usually inclined to side with labor unions (maybe if I belonged to one, I would have paid leave), but in this case I think they’re being totally unreasonable.
Post # 8
@crayfish: ITA. Theres no reason why they shouldn’t have to contribute to their own pensions like everyone else
Post # 9
Hopefully it gets resolved soon. My brother commutes into the city via BART. I drive in from Marin – no BART for me, plus I have to drive at work.
Post # 10
@julies1949: do you live in the bay area? bart employees are highly overpaid and have been for awhile. the only reason they’re striking is because they’re greedy. they don’t need a better salary or benefits. they’re government employees and my tax dollars are paying them. they have no right to strike. they sit on their ass all day doing nothing. their average salary is almost double what i make and i have a BA. it’s fucking ridiculous. the management was driving trains this morning (they have no recent training for this apparently) as a shuttle for employees who are not striking so clearly it doesn’t take a genious to run the goddamn trains.
i’ll support an ac transit strike though because they’re underpaid for what they do. they make less than bart and do 10 times more work.
@crayfish: i take ac transit everyday and this morning the bus was at capacity. then we sat in traffic for an hour to go maybe 2 miles. luckily, once we got the beginning of the carpool lane for the bridge, it was fine and took about 20 minutes to get in to SF from that point. i am not doing this tomorrow!! i’ll be staying home. i feel really bad for the people that don’t have a choice and have to go to work.
Post # 11
I’m a lawyer in the bay area working in the public sector and many BART employees make more than I do…..
Post # 12
I work for a labor union and crap like this gives the rest of us a bad name. It’s so easy to hate all unions when the ones making the headlines are the overpaid lazy government employee types … and then it makes it impossible for us to get any sympathy or support from the public in situations where people are legitimately being mistreated (like regional airline pilots who make $15k per year). Ugh.
Post # 13
1. their average salary is almost double what i make and i have a BA
It’s this type of job and education elitism I was refering to. Your job is no more valuable than their job. Clearly their job is valuable to you or you wouldn’t be so bent out of shape when they are not doing their job.
2. they’re government employees and my tax dollars are paying them. This one is hilarious. It’s also THEIR tax dollars that are paying salaries for all government employees. I remember one time when we were on strike (nurses) but still working 100 % of our scheduled hours because of Essential Services Legislation here, and listening to members of the public hurl that line at us. Most of the clients we saw hadn’t worked a day or contributed taxes in years.
3.. they have no right to strike. Yes they do. It’s one of the percs of living in a democracy.
I suggest you do some reading on how the actions of Unions have contributed to the standard of living that we all enjoy today.
Post # 14
Not living in the SF area, but I have to say I sympathize completely. I don’t really understand why some unions think it’s appropriate to have strikes like this when unemployment is still such an issue in this country, especially when relatively speaking, they are already well-paid. It’s things like this that makes people not take unions seriously when there is a problem (like freaking professional athletes striking…wtf!) Unions were created to keep healthy and safe working environments and fair wages…not to strong arm raises that are unrealistic and well above the current rate of inflation.
Post # 15
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@ChemistryBride: +1 times a million. I don’t think all unions are still relevant with all of the OSHA and workplace safety standards that are in place – sure there are industries where employees are working in dangerous situations and are sadly underpaid, but there are a lot of unions that get media coverage for strikes for, as you put it, raises that are unrealistic and well above the current rate of inflation.
Post # 16
@julies1949: you didn’t answer my question. do you even live in the bay area? you don’t sound like you know anything about bart or it’s overpaid employees. just because we need transit doesn’t mean they deserve to be paid more than someone with a degree. you can call that elitism if you want but it’s the goddamn truth. i’m ok with the mechanics getting paid well because they actually had to go to school and learn that shit. it’s called skilled labor and they should be making good money (along with electricians, plumbers, etc). the train operators do nothing but push a button and make station announcements. the station agents do nothing but sit on their ass all day and they’re rude. they do not deserve the salary they make and they do not deserve to make even more money. it’s total bullshit.