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Before the Planning Begins -- things you won't learn from the Knot

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    aspasia475    January 1, 2015  

    In 1911, a girl launched her career as a hostess by assisting her mother at social affairs; she became recognized as an independent adult; married and moved in with her husband, hosted guests to tea and formal dinner, had children, held increasingly large and formal parties, and finally crowned her social achievements by hosting a  wedding reception for fifty to a hundred people on behalf of her daughter.

    In 2011, the typical girl first moves in with her lover, has children, then launches and crowns her social career in one fell swoop by hosting her own fully-formal wedding reception for one to three hundred.

    Is it any wonder that wedding planning in 2011 is stressful and fraught with problems? The wedding hostess of a hundred years ago had a wealth of experience that let her pull a wedding off and enjoy the whole process. She had learned a hundred little tricks, and built up a set of resources from a well-documented Visiting Book to a wardrobe of appropriate social stationery, and a stable of well-trusted vendors. In contrast, the bride of today is in over her head as soon as she starts planning. Haunt the etiquette and planning forums of any wedding website like this one, and you read post after post by brides trying to solve problems that are the inevitable result of some decision the bride herself made weeks, or months, ago.

    I think this is where bees-in-waiting have a tremendous opportunity. Instead of day-dreaming imaginary plans for a wedding that hasn't even been proposed, waiting bees can bury their frustrations in developing some of the experience and resources that are such a help to the experienced hostess. The great thing is that, no matter how long the wait is, your experience as a hostess lets you host small non-wedding-related affairs with ever-increasing ease and pleasure.

     
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    KristenGotMarried    May 19, 2012   The Cbus

    My apologies, but I'm supremely confused about this post.

     
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    Eva Peron    November 2011  

    @aspasia475: Fantastic history lesson and observation!

    My mom had me be a "stay at home daughter' from my youth till engagement. She put me as  an apprentice under my grandmother, learning how to cook, clean , sew, iron, prepare a guest bedroom, decorate, prepare meal plans, table settings and such for not just "family" dinners but special occasions and dinner parties with their friends and co-workers.

     
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    eloping    May 23, 2010  

    i remember my sister having a glory box when she was young - filled with things she will need one day when she married, sheets and aprons, glassware etc

    do women have these anymore?

     
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    Miss Tattoo    September 15, 2012   Pittsburgh, PA

    I think what she is saying is brides today don't really throw social affairs before their own weddings. Women in the past hosted afternoon tea and dinner parties. Today, the only women who could throw afternoon tea are those who don't work outside of the home. Women in the past didn't have anything else to do except learn these things. Women back then weren't doing anything after high school. So they had time to learn how to set a formal table, sew, cook, bake, ect. Women today go to college or work and the art of hosting is becoming a lost art because why host a dinner party yourself when you can just take your family and friends out and let someone else serve? 

    I think wedding planning wouldn't be as stressful if there weren't other people, vendors, blogs, ect telling women what they should and shouldn't have and what's hot and what's overdone. 

     
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    KristenGotMarried    May 19, 2012   The Cbus

    @Miss Tattoo:  Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.  Okay.  I see, kinda.

     
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    Miss Tattoo    September 15, 2012   Pittsburgh, PA

    @KristenGotMarried: lol It's a great point though. How many of us would be stressed about planning a large party if it was something we did all the time just on smaller scales? I kinda wish I didn't have to work so I could learn all of these things and host afternoon tea. I would have to find new friends though, since all of them work. 

     
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    Mollytov    August 29, 2011   Vancouver

    @aspasia475: I always enjoy when you post. You have a real talent for clarity and i always look forward to reading more. 

     

     

     

     
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    galloway111    June 16, 2012   WI

    @Miss Tattoo: I agree- the stress doesn't come from lack of knowledge, but from media and businesses trying to tell women how their wedding should be. My FI and I are having a lovely budget wedding and some of our wedding choices have gotten us questioning looks, but we're doing it how we want it and not spending all our money on how people think it "should" be. Although I know we'er affected by what others think too, even if we try not to be.

     
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    Eva Peron    November 2011  

    @Miss Tattoo: I wish things were differnt today as well !

    I have a few good skills but really no friends or people with time to enjoy or practice them. Its hard enough to throw a shower or birthday party these days.

     
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    Miss Tattoo    September 15, 2012   Pittsburgh, PA

    @galloway111: I have helped plan family reunions, large milestone birthday parties, and my parents 25th wedding anniversary. All the guests at those events will be guests at our wedding. 

    In those events no one stressed about centerpieces, DJ choices, food choices, table cloths, shoes, ect. After all, a wedding reception is just one big dinner party. I don't know why it makes some brides crazy.

     
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    Miss Tattoo    September 15, 2012   Pittsburgh, PA

    @Eva Peron: Seriously. There are so many domestic things I want to learn and just don't have the time. My mother is like the godess of the sewing machine. I don't even know how to turn one on! lol She can knit a blanket in 2 weeks and I can't even hold the needles right. it's not her fault though. I remember she tried to teach me these things and I was always too busy with school stuff (band, dance team, swim team, soccer, track, ect) or work. *sighs* 

     
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    Mollytov    August 29, 2011   Vancouver

    @Miss Tattoo: Totally agree with the 'wedding industry complex' and love the example of other family functions not causing as much stress. 

    And this is the thing. Not only do i have an eduction and career outside of the home but so did my mother. I am part of a generation of women who was raised by women who didn't 'lunch' or host teas. I don't even think my mother had stationary. She certainly did not teach me to cater to others. I also know that she will not be purchasing me any china. 

    I guess this gap is what causes marketers to create things like honeyfunds and us to have questions about plus 1's. 

     

     
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    SapphireSun    July 9, 2010   Vancouver, BC

    @aspasia475: Very interesting perspective.  I do always enjoy when you chime in, and give us an idea of the grounding for these "traditions".

     

    @Miss Tattoo: I agree completely.  I plan 200+ person events as an aspect of my job, and it's a matter of sitting down for 5-7 meetings, picking some stuff out, and coming in on budget.  Total snap. 

    My wedding on the other hand was a total stress ball, because there was so much outside noise telling me this was the most important event of my life and everything had to be PERFECT.  Turned even a relatively experienced planner into a crying mess of worry that people wouldn't like the things I picked on more than one occassion.

     
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    bklynbridetobe    December 2011   Brooklyn Born

    @SapphireSun: Turned even a relatively experienced planner into a crying mess of worry that people wouldn't like the things I picked on more than one occassion.

    OMG do i relate. I was also a corporate event planner. Press conferance, editor events, national wide mobile marketing snap no problem. This freaking wedding of mine, lord have mercy stress is not the word. Makes me feel so inadequate at times. 

     
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    UK Bride    November 26, 2011  

    I really like this post. I WISH my mom were around to help me plan things because she actually was the stay-at-home wife who regularly hosted dinner parties. Now that she and my dad live on the other side of the globe and I'm getting married in my FI's home country, though, both her expertise and her resources (friends, vendors, etc.) are unavailable. We skype to toss ideas around and talk about wedding stuff, but I'm definitely the one doing the planning. I watched her a lot over the years and did learn quite a bit from her, but this wedding thing is waaaaayyyy out of my league. It's not just an event for 120--it's an international gathering of friends and family from 7 different countries, all of whom are expecting something that reflects what they think a wedding should be. Talk about second-guessing choices!! I find myself wishing at times that things were nice and simple so that they would fit into everyone's "box" of what a wedding should be. The pressure to get it right on the first go is unreal!

    I think what I'm learning from this process is that you can only do your best with what you've got, and even then, your best won't please everyone. Wedding planning eats people pleasers for breakfast. 

     
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    cr6zy    September 10, 2011   phoenix

    @eloping: i have a baby box. its everything i will need when we have a baby of our own. its mostly my dauhters old baby stuff though

     
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    Annabelle86    July 2, 2011  

    This might be strange but I absolutely loved every single minute and every single detail of the planning process. I have never before been so enthusiastic about a project and I never really felt like I was inherently good at anything until I planned my wedding and realized how much I loved it, and it happened to be PERFECT. I have had experience planning numerous showers though, so perhaps I was more prepared than I thought. I have already started planning imaginary weddings for my younger sisters and best friends now. Maybe I am crazy.

     
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    Elvis    October 31, 2015  

    Excellent post.

    I think the PP make some good points about the wedding industrial complex and the weight of expectations, too. I sometimes have to remind myself, when I'm being buried under questions like "Candy buffet? Photo booth? Favors? Colors?" that I don't even want any of that.

     
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    JessLee83    January 1, 2016  

    @eloping:

    i've wondered this myself. i kno my XFIL actually made one for XH and XBIL(and his step kids, when he married his wife)...of course, by the time my x needed it, he'd sold most of it, or his "mommy" had done it for him!  my XBIL actually had his father store his, and he still has it TMK...in each trunk were a quilt from their G'ma, a 2/setting china set (x's g'ma was simple, only needed enough for husband and 2 kids)...along with a simple silver set XFIL and his wife purchased(but were pricey). it had each of the kid's baby blankets in it. blue doilies of the grandmothers, and alot of other stuff. i want to put one together for my son, and each of my x's kids. only cos neither of their mom's think of these kinds of things, but i'm from down south, and i really don't see it anymore. x's daughter and i are close, and she's almost 11...so i really want to get it started, even tho it won't have the more "historical" items in it, but i kno x's mom actually has some Crystal XFH had bought his daughters mom in Egypt and France when he was in the Navy.

     
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    smyley    May 2010  

    Sure they do...they're called Hope Chests, and many people have carried on the tradition. I started them for my daughters when they turned 13, as did my sister for her daughter. Many of them are still available in furniture stores, but people may call them storage chests and use them for winter bedding,etc.

    Many things have changed over time, and weddings aren't the only things where people are flustered and trying to change it all.

     
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    thirdtimebride    November 2, 2013   Tallahassee, FL

    I never learned anything about traditional hostessing from Mom, it's true. Instead, I went through a serious Martha Stewart phase in the mid-to-late 90s and learned a lot during that period. There are a lot of resources available for that sort of self-education, even more now with the Internet as your library, what I think is missing is the desire to acquire those skills.

    As someone who throws a couple of goodly-size parties a year, I've earned a bit of a reputation in my circle for a certain level of food and theming with each event. Planning a wedding, then, is sort of free reign to do the things that might seem a little over-the-top for other events--even if it does raise the bar a bit at the same time.

    And only 1 girl I knew in high school had anything like a hope chest--it was more like a section of her parents attic where she kept things she was saving up for married life.

     
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    Miss Tattoo    September 15, 2012   Pittsburgh, PA

    My mom has a hope chest, but it isn't like what you are describing above. Well, I'm sure it was when she got it from her mother. I have it now, but I use it to store blankets and sheets.

     
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    AprilJo2011    April 9, 2011  

    I don't think the 1911 scenario you described was true for the average girl back then. I doubt many farmer's and laborer's wives 'held increasingly large and formal parties'. This sounds like something only girls from the upper class did.  The 2011 equivalent of these girls now has their weddings planned and coordinated for them.

     

     
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    Zinzerena    April 14, 2012   Virginia

    My FI is an amazing host.  He's been hosting parties (his last b-day bash had a good 50 people) and I'm slowly learning the art.  He "hosted" a Thai BBQ over this past weekend and had around 13 guests throughout the day.  In our small apartment, that was a feat in itself!

    Planning the wedding has let me prove that I CAN plan huge parties, so when my FI takes over hosting the family reunions, I'll be more apt to not freak out.  (Or get pissed at him for ignoring me like at his LAST b-day bash with a good 50 guests.  Trust me, he DID deserve me getting pissed at him :P)

     

    I completely agree that learning to host parties is a dying art.  Most parents don't hold huge birthday bashes or parties, family reunions, etc.  It's also rarely catered by those hosting it, too.  

    The biggest problem is those in the industry know how to bully people.  Even those who are event planners (I mean that lovingly, ladies!!!).  I'm probably one of the few who isn't impressed with the industry and is hard-headed and stubborn and REFUSE to let people tell me what I want (I thank my mother for that... or blame it on her, take your pick, lol).

     

     
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    RSgrl1215    December 3, 2011   Maryland

    @eloping: When I turned about 17 or 18 my mom started a Hope Chest for me, Similar to what you were stating. I love it and and so thankful my mother did this for me. I plan to keep the tradition going and do the same for when FI and I are ready to have kids.

     
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    bells    June 26, 2011  

    I think even in the old days a wedding was stressful, even wedding planners get stressed when its their own wedding. Event planning is tough, and its tougher when its an event that you are emotinally attached to.

     
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    MissNoodles    September 14, 2011   Winnipeg, Canada

    "The wedding hostess of a hundred years ago had a wealth of experience that let her pull a wedding off and enjoy the whole process."

     

    uh huh... but the "wedding hostess" of 100 years ago was the brides MOTHER, not the bride. 

     
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    MsMamaBear       Atlanta

    @AprilJo2011: I agree. Pretty sure my sharecropping ancestors in 1911 weren't worried about a party...

     
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    armychica06    December 8, 2012   CT

    Interesting post---- however I love being a modern woman, who works outside the home and etc. so unfortunately I don't have time to be very particular when it comes to these affairs. I kinda felt like the post was taking a jab at those women who aren't "stay at home" people. Eh, my opinion.

     
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    Elvis    October 31, 2015  

    @armychica06:

    I didn't see it that way at all. I thought the point of the post was that a hundred years ago, planning these kinds of social events was a woman's "career" (at least in some circles) and since then, weddings have become larger and more elaborate with higher expectations and at the same time, the roles of women have changed and the highlight of our "careers" is no longer organizing our daughter's wedding.

    I didn't think the message was judgement for not living like a society lady of 1911; I thought it was a comparison of the task a modern woman sets herself (as a bride, not the mother of one) and the experience she has at her disposal when she does it.

     

     
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    aspasia475    January 1, 2015  

    @KristenGotMarried:

    Alas, so much for my vaunted ability to explain myself clearly :-D   But you have a good excuse, because I wasn't so much making any point, as trying to introduce some ideas for discussion, and for a suggestion I would like to propose.

    On the Etiquette boards, one often reads brides saying "I didn't have a clue about any of this stuff until I started planning". Certainly, there are brides who are event planners themselves, and others who are frequently hostesses of large family gatherings, and those brides have a tremendous advantage even if they do still find their own wedding to present new challenges. But there are many many more brides who are not event planners and don't have experience. They start planning based on what they read on The Knot or other wedding-industry sites, which is a lot like walking cold into a used car dealership and starting your car-buying based on what the commissioned salesman tells you. And a lot of the problems they encounter a few months along, are a direct result of early choices they might not have made if they'd had a little more experience.

    On the other hand, on the Waiting boards, one often reads the refrain of "what do you do to pass the time while you're waiting". Planning a party can be so much fun, and so many girls are so eager to get started, that they are thinking venues and vendors, and suppressing all those secret thoughts for fear either of the jinx, or of the inappropriateness of such plans. What I am suggesting -- not so much to the event planners and the family hostesses, but to the others -- is, why not get some practice in?

    I do understand that most women work. Back in the sixties, I was one of those women demonstrating on campus for access to "male" programmes and faculties. I worked full-time to support myself until I retired -- admittedly early -- to become my dad's hostess/live-in caretaker; and then I got involved in local politics and governance boards: I am hardly a stay-at-home housewife. In fact, I had to be something of an iron maiden myself to get my foot in the door in business, over a decade before my province passed its first human rights legislation banning discrimination on the basis of sex. Women's right to work is really NOT just part of the background environment for me.

    But, few of us work seven days a week, do we? (And, if you do, I know a geriatric activist who would be happy to write a few letters on your behalf.) And, unless you will quit work to plan your wedding full time, you'll be planning that big party on your weekends and evenings (or shift rotations off). In these days, despite being semi-retired and in consultancy/politics where I can set my own hours to a degree, I plan all my parties for the weekend because the guests can't attend any other time. Planning the occasional garden party for a dozen folk, or formal sit-down dinner for six, should be a piece of cake to fit into your weekends, compared to doing your wedding that way. But it could  make planning your wedding that much easier.

    At a minimum, think about the troubles brides have figuring out how to address a formal envelope -- is it "Mr and Mrs John Smith"? Or "Mr John and Ms Jane Smith"? Or "Mr John Smith and Ms Jane Smith" -- and heaven forbid if it should turn out to be "Mr John Smith and Ms Jane McGillicudy"! The right answer is, in case you were wondering, that you address it in the form preferred by your guests. You don't get to decide that Mrs John Smith should call herself something different, if that is indeed her formal name. But do you even know what your friends and family prefer for their formal names? In the casual environment we live in, you may never have heard them addressed formally -- and, for that matter, they may never have thought about it long enough to know what they prefer! But if you start keeping a visiting book, and make it the topic of conversation during tea, you can note down now what their preferences are, and keep it as a reference for that eventual wedding. Or, take a good guess and send them a formal invitation to dinner, and if you guess wrongly they are likely to let you know and you can record that for your reference.

     
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    PutABirdOnIt    December 30, 2010   Los Angeles, CA

    Brides in 1911 didn't have Google, a decided disadvantage:) If you aren't a natural at party planning, you can find the answer to any question in about 30 seconds. Done and done. Also, people born in the early 20th Century did not have the advantage of abstract thinking and the same problem-solving abilities as people today. I'd say we're smarter AND better at wedding planning:)

     
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    Elvis    October 31, 2015  

    @PutABirdOnIt:

    "Also, people born in the early 20th Century did not have the advantage of abstract thinking and the same problem-solving abilities as people today."

     

    My grandmas would beg to differ.

     
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    Mrs.ChubbyBunny    October 1, 2011   Texas

    @moderndaisy: crazy is a bit harsh lol however I agree that OP's idea of the world seems dated and not applicable to modern times IMO.

     
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    VickyAurea       England

    You can't just host a party because parties are expensive. It is surely better advice for waiting bees to save up so that they don't have to worry about the stress of their wedding when their SO does propose (unless of course they are lucky enough to be able to afford a wedding already). But still, I think that the reason why many people might not give their formal name preferences a thought nowadays is that they simply are not interested in it. It isn't really relevant to most modern culture and I don't think it matters all that much what you address someone as. Waiting bees could perhaps be advised to reflect on their own experiences of hosting and think now about how those lessons learnt will help with their wedding planning..... but throwing a formal party just for the sake of it is probably not what most people can afford to do or what their friends would actually like to attend. Maybe I am wrong though, it depends on the circle of people, I'm sure.

     
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    PutABirdOnIt    December 30, 2010   Los Angeles, CA

    @Elvis: She can disagree all she likes but she'll be wrong. lol  It's not a matter of intelligence, it's just that our brains have changed and evolved over the last 50 or so years, to the point where we really are better at abstract thinking and problem-solving.  Google it if you don't believe me.  Oh, and go read "Everything Bad Is Good For You" by Steven Johnson too.

    Then I'll be happy to debate this point with you or your grandma:)

     
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    tksjewelry    June 25, 2011   Omaha

    @PutABirdOnIt:  I think that Einstein, Oppenheimer, daVinci, Homer, Ford, the Wright brothers, and a host of others would disagree with that statement. 

    @moderndaisy:  That was just flat out rude and uncalled for, just because you don't agree.

    @Elvis: Ditto

     
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    europomme    September 17, 2011  

    @PutABirdOnIt:

    my thoughts exactly... and they certainly DIDN'T have Weddingbee ;)

    Where would us brides be without the hive?!  Scary thought.  Most of my good ideas have come from here!

    ps - I do work full time, and don't find wedding planning to be THAT stressful or time consuming... and it's a 250 person wedding, no wedding planner involved..

     
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    Annabelle86    July 2, 2011  

    I dont think that its a matter of increased abstract-thinking and problem solving abilities, its planning a wedding not rocket surgery. People have been planning and hosting much larger formal affairs for centuries. I think that we just have a lot more freedom of expression and personal taste at weddings now and if we dont want it to be formal then it doesnt have to be, we also have nearly unlimited access to other brides advice and ideas over the internet so we have more choices. Our weddings are no longer cookie-cutter affairs and we become overwhelmed because we have so many choices and we worry that our personal taste is going to be judged by our guests and other brides. We also tend to want everything to be perfect and we feel like if anything goes wrong it will ruin the whole wedding. We put a lot of excessive pressure on ourselves to live up to the standards the wedding industry holds up for us.

     

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