Blackface tradition and "Black Pete:" what are your thoughts?

posted 3 years ago in Traditions
Post # 3
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: August 2015

I’ve known about this tradition for a while, and I feel that if something is hurtful and promoting stereotypes, it needs to end.  There are plenty of traditions we’ve moved away from because we’ve learned that they are actually offensive and fueling a problem, rather than being harmless fun.  

Post # 4
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Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: November 1999

I think it’s pretty offensive.

Post # 5
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: April 2013

@MrsPanda99:  I don’t think it’s any worse than celebrating Columbus Day (the beginning of the end for the Native Americans) or having “Redskins” as a mascot.

Post # 6
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: September 2016

 

 

 

 

@MrsPanda99:  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

haha can not take this discussion anymore…. heard it to much lately

 

 

 

I will say that if you are not dutch you will never understand this tradition, specially not if you are an american,  this is something that the dutch have been celebrating for so long, sinterklaas is more important than christmas for a lot of dutch people.

 

 

 

Post # 7
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: September 2014

They have this debate every year. Dutch culture is not North American culture, and they don’t have to conform to our views.

Post # 9
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: September 2016

@MrsPanda99:

It’s just something one can not explain, it’s something that has to be seen and experienced.

Post # 10
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2013

@jag:  Last year, a few of is were having dinner with a Dutch friend. She told us about the tradition and was shocked that we (Americans) found anything wrong with it. I don’t think the Dutch culture has a history of prejudice either (if so, probably far less than American history does) so I am not going to presume to judge them.

Post # 11
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: November 2015

@MrsPanda99:  I think it should be up to the Dutch to make that decision. As far as I know they are the only ones who have the tradition of Black Pete.

As for blackface (in general), it first became big in the USA 1800’s as far as I know and was used as an intentional way of degrading people of African descent. I find it disgusting and I don’t understand why someone would want to do it other then to offend someone else. It might be different in other countries – such as the Netherlands – , but in the USA it’s seen as racist.

I don’t know if we should necessarily be applying American standards on other cultures though. If somone immigrates to the US and puts on blackface to play Black Pete then that isn’t going to go well though.

@housebee:  As an American I would LOVE to see both these things ended. Columbus was an idiot who didn’t know where he was and wound up leading to the genocide of millions of innocent people – and he wasn’t even the first European to “discover” America either (thank you Vikings)! Not exactly a good role model.

As for the use of the term “Redskins” for a football team, it just seems purposely inflamatory to me. There are plenty of other less offensive terms that they could use if they really wanted to. I mean, if you wouldn’t call them the Washington “N-Words” then you shouldn’t call them the Washington “Redskins” either.

Post # 12
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: September 2016

This is a picture from when sinterklass arrives in holland, (he comes each year from spain ) It’s a time of joy for so many people, specially for children.

Post # 13
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: September 2016

@nycsa:  

most other cultures than your own, has things that seem strange…but that is true for everyone

Post # 15
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: April 2013

@LoggerHead91207:  I totally agree, I don’t think we should be telling the Dutch what traditions they can/can’t celebrate due to oppressive racial undertones if it’s still so prevalent in our country. 

Post # 16
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

@MrsPanda99:  I feel like people want rascism to live on….I mean, why can’t a black person paint their face white or a white person paint their face black? If you do something without the intention to be oppressive or harming then why do we create such a fuss? America citizens have decided to be offended and I think it is that attitude that keeps sterotypes and discrimination alive. Why are we called by names other than American? Why must we be African American or Irish American if/when we have never stepped foot out of our country? Why are benefits given based on race? Why are scholorships not decided purely on financial backgrounds? 

Sorry for the rant but I think getting offended over anything like this is just stupid…It isn’t our business and it shows how rascist we are to think that we MUST be offended by another culture. It is just annoying…We are all people living in the same country and the day we stop being politically correct is the day we will start to move forward. 

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