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You should either talk to MOB or the other BMs about expectations. Don't bring the bride into it yet. Check with the other bms, but it seems reasonable to have all the BMs should have ONE SHOWER for the bride, in boston, and you all chip in and make it wonderful!! In terms of finances, could you all cover hosting in Boston at 20-30 a head for 40 ppl? Then, if MOB wants to have a shower in Balitmore, all the power to her, tell her you will support emotionally (and go, if you are able) but are unable to help financially. If you have a get a bit of a stern tone with her, it might not hurt. Good luck, and enjoy the planning!
aren't there any city-owned spaces? like a city hall with nice meeting rooms open to public, rooms in a church, a local rec center or other public space?
i'd try to find a neutral space (not in your house, not in a restaurant) and then cook with the other bridesmaids or have a grocery store cater. good luck
Okay, I guess I'm from an area where I think its way, way, way out of line for MOB to be saying anything to you about what you should do and how...and bordering on rude that even the bride would hand you a list of people to invite (did you ask for that)? I don't even know where to begin, but seriously WTF?! They are telling you that you must host two showers and you must do that at locations of their convenience? And what bride in her right mind invites every single guest to the shower in the first place? And seriously, who dictates that all BM's must travel to both showers? This is totally nuts imho!
I suspect MOB has some friends and relatives where she lives that she would like to invite to an event. If she's uncomfortable with hosting a shower for her daughter, she could have some other thing (like a tea or luncheon). But no way are you required to do that for her sake. A friend of my mom's is throwing me a shower where my mom lives, but no one expects my BM's to make extra trip to attend it.
And I guess I'm not one to even think that BM's have to host a shower at all...but it is often what's done. So I think it's lovely that you are offering to host one, but I think you need to tell the bride that while you want to do something she'd enjoy, these are your limitations. You should not have to host an 85+ person party just b/c your bride apparently thinks that's what you should do. Ask her for a list of x number of people you can afford to host. I'm not sure if this fall into "no, no" category or not. My sister asked me for a list for a tea she's hosting for me, and before I gave it to her I also checked on how many people she thought would be a good number. And on that topic, I don't htink it's rude at all to ask the bride for a guest list. It actually cracks me up to imagine who might be invited if the list were left to my FI.
As to the bride herself, hard to know what's going on there. But if her mom's like that, maybe that's her notion of how these things go. Not sure if she's being demanding or clueless, but probably the easiest to treat it like the latter (i.e. that she doesn't realize how rude it is to ask your friends to invite 85+ people to a shower that they have to pay for). Yes, old school etiquette says you should never talk about money in social settings, but we're not British aristocrats and you should not spend your life's savings on your friend's wedding...so I do think you need to address these issues. And since MOB sounds nuts, you probably do need to bring it up with the bride. B/c unless there's another wealthy BM who's willing to foot the bill for all this, it sounds like you're looking at something that's way outside your financial comfort zone.
Georgette here...
Thank you so much for your responses! Whew! Glad to know I am not losing my mind or being unreasonable. The Bride really has no clue what the ettiquette is and the MOB is out of control on every level (I feel bad for the Bride.) That being said, I don't think the Bride has thought this through in terms of numbers (although, I did have a conversation with her prior to all of this.. she asked me about other showers I had been to, and I specifically told her that you didn't invite all of the women on the guest list....it clearly fell on deaf ears!) Not sure what is going on there... I think she underestimates the prices of feeding people in Boston. It was at that time I asked the Bride to send me a list of people to invite - - I had NO IDEA it would set off the MOB or that it was "inappropriate" to do so! I mean, I would EXPECT to provide my friends which that info...
I've been looking all over for public places to host it, but haven't found anything yet. If I didn't live in an apartment I would host it outside, but that's not going to work.
The MOB's "argument" for having all BM's share in the cost of HER Baltimore shower is this: "Well, those people from Baltimore would come up to Boston and you would be paying for them anyway." I think that they WOULDN'T make the trip, frankly, and we would save the money. The people who WANT to be there and CAN be there, WILL be there.
The whole thing has really soured me towards the wedding. The wedding is ALL we talk about anymore. It is made more difficult by the fact that most of the bridesmaids don't know each other (college friends, vs. high school friends, vs. after college friends, vs. Groom's sisters...) Everyone is nice so far, but I HATE to be the one to bring up money and look like a cheapskate.
I also get this sense from the MOB and Bride that this is the most important day ever (which is true in some sense), but that it is the most important day ever in OUR LIVES as well...... and it's not. They are spending about $40,000 on this wedding (best place in the City, etc. etc.) and I think they expect all of us to be along for the ride at that price point. It just can't happen.
I have been making myself SICK over this. I laugh because I handle a LOT of stress on a daily basis at my job - no problem. Toss a BridezillaMom at me, and I can't sleep and think I am getting an ulcer, ha ha!
Thanks again for all of your support!
I think this MOB is being outrageous!
1) Hosting one shower is generous. I think since you're in Boston you will host a shower there. If the MOB wants a second, that falls to her. Also, it doesn't have to be a full meal- what about just apps or a tea? If you are hosting, you decide what the shower will be like, not the MOB. If she wants to dictate, she can plan it and pay for it!
2) You should only pay what you can comfortably afford. You could ask each maid what they would be comfortable contributing, give that total to the MOB and tell her that unless she's willing to foot the rest of the bill, you will work within that budget.
3) The etiquette is to invite all the women on the wedding guest list. Where do all these guests live? I think you should maybe bring this up to the bride and say that you will host a Boston shower, who does she want invited to it?
4) I think you should send out an e-mail asking people to e-mail you what they are comfortable contributing- stressing that it doesn't have to be equally divided, each can contribute according to her abilites. However, maybe give them an idea of the crazy expenses and ask for ideas on how to curb them (ie just serve tea and scones, cake and coffee, or appetizers, etc)
I agree with what everyone has said so far! As for a cost effective way of feeding people at a bridal shower...would it be possible to host a potluck shower?
Wow, this sounds really crazy and I think everyone on here agrees!
But, just wanted to make a quick suggestion - You mentioned that you live in an apartment. Does your apartment or another BM's apartment have a small recreation room for gatherings?
The last two apartments I have lived in do and the cost of renting them was minimal - free with enought advance notice or $100, I believe. They usually also have small kitchens in them as well, so you could cater the event yourself. Both have been nice, decent sized rooms with seating for maybe about 20-30 people. Maybe you could rent a couple of tables to add seating?
Just a thought! Good Luck!
it really sounds unreasonable for the MOB to be doing this. I don't think that the MOH/BMS should be hosting 2 bridal showers, let alone hosting it with so many guest. If the MOB/Bride wants it so big, then the MOB should definitely flip the bill and not expect the MOH/BMs to pay for it. I know that I would never dream of asking my bridal party to do that.
Thanks everyone for your advice!
I like the tea and scones / cakes idea a lot! The problem is finding a place to actually hold it. My apartment is in a 3 family house (not an apartment community, unfortunately!) I will ask the other bridesmaids what their situations (again, haven't met most of them.) One of the BMs (a relative of the groom) asked around the Groom's family for a spot, but no one is willing to pony up (to be honest, I get the sense that there is something more going on here... along the lines that they can't stand MOB, but I didn't ask and pry into why they declined.
I'm going to send an email around and find out the budget of each BM and then "make it work" based on that budget. At least it's a starting point...
Whoa!!! Thats crazy!! 85 people? Seriously. I would tell her momzilla that you and the BMs are able to contribute $X each to the shower and expect her to pay the balance (only say it nicely, NOT ask nicely) since this is her grand scheme. If she's unhappy, then I guess her daughter wont get the lavish shower she had hoped for...
As a several time BM, I can attest that brides and their moms (hopefully not myself included) can get completely consumed with the wedding. Just because its the biggest day in YOUR life does not make it the biggest day in mine...but I am happy for you, just stop trying to break me! Its a recession for PETE's SAKES...if there are 8 people. that $1600 for a shower!!! Seriously? No way jose.
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I am the MOH of a wedding scheduled for next October and I am having concerns about the mounting expenses for the bridal shower. I live in the same city (Boston) as the Bride, and the other 2 of the other bridesmaids live outside of Boston and the remainder live all down the east coast.
The Mother of the Bride lives in Baltimore, and wants the bridesmaids to host BOTH a Boston shower and a Baltimore shower (splitting the costs for both between 8 ways between her and the bridesmaids.) Bride's Mom also expects all bridesmaids to attend both showers.
This sounds great, but - Now comes the real kicker: Bride wants to invite EVERY woman on her wedding invite list to the shower. It is literally a list of 85+ people to invite to the showers split between the cities (40 something people to be invited to the Boston shower, 30 something to be invited to the Baltimore shower, and 15 to be invited to BOTH.) In my experience, bridal showers have always been more "intimate" with 20 maybe 30 people total at someone's house, which is easy to do and you can have fun with the themes, etc.
No one in the Boston area can host the shower at their home (I live in a small 1 bedroom apartment that cannot physically hold that many people.) I am scared to "bet" on the fact that some won't show up (what if they do?) I can't fit them. The other bridesmaids in the Boston area are in the same boat. So we got quotes from restaurants in the area - they are all coming in at $25 -30 a head (per person, no counting tax and gratuity!) for brunch in a room big enough to hold everyone. The city is expensive, but so are the suburbs. $20 a head is the running rate.
This is simply too much for every bridesmaid's budget. For example, say Baltimore prices are the same as Boston, and only 60 percent of the invitees show up (that's a gamble). That would be feeding 51 people at 30 bucks a head (did I mention that the number does NOT include tax and gratuity?) We are looking at $191 bucks a bridesmaid, before we even get out of the barn (this doesn't include invites, favors, the money the bridesmaids need to spend on the bachlorette party, etc.)
Anyway, several of the bridesmaids have complained to me that this is getting excessive and too expensive, in light of the other expenses associated with the wedding (hotels for Bachlorette weekend, dresses, hotels for the wedding, flying to these events, etc.)
Couple all this with an EXTREMELY pushy Mother of the Bride who personally called me to bitch me out last night about the planning, and how everyone should pay for both showers. She was very angry with me because I got the list of invitees directly from the Bride. She told me I should have gotten it from the groom to keep it a secret (there is no secret here, except for in the MOB's head... the Bride freakin knows she's having a shower!) My bad, but really, do you have to yell at me? I was really put off by the woman, who has been BridezillaMom since Day 1 of this this thing.
I think it is excessive to expect your friends to foot the bill for THAT many people in 2 locations. In my opinion, if MOB wants to host something in Baltimore, fine, so be it, but don't expect us to foot the bill on 2 showers.
So the ettiquette questions are:
1) Are the bridesmaids required to pay for the 2 showers? Also, are we really required to feed (at a restaurant) all these freakin' people? It's like throwing half a wedding! The fact of the matter remains: many of us simply cannot do it.
2) How much is too much and how do we deal with this? Prices could go over $300 a bridesmaid, which is just too much for many of the bridesmaids (including myself... I budgeted $600 for the wedding events / dresses and this going to burn through that and then some!) At this point, we are only in the beginning stages of planning with the bridesmaids reaching out to each other over email (we don't all know each other.)
3) Should we approach the bride about culling down the list (this is a big no no, but good lord! She doesn't even know half these people!) 85+ people?
4) Suggestions on dealing with money issues between bridesmaids early on? Do I sent an email around to everyone saying "what is our budget" before we start any real planning? Things can escalate out of control quickly!
I really want my friend to have nice shower, but our expectations are completely different (given that she invited 85+ people!)
Any imput would be appreciated. After I got the call from the MOB last night bitching my out and being nasty to me, I almost seriously called up the Bride and said "I quit." That would have been over reacting, I know, but it is seriously how I feel.
Thanks - Stressed in Boston.