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    FutureMrs.Harless    July 25, 2010   Northeast TN

    I am so glad to see there is some other fellow PYSCHO's out there .... woo hoo for to the brides who bought there dresses first and didnt scare off there man!

    I dont know maybe some of us just do things the unconventional way... Like i said my FH talks all of time of a July 2010 wedding even though he has yet to pop the question... so why not plan to be ready for a July 2010 wedding ? i know he has the ring we have talked about it.... I dont know why he hasnt asked yet... but i know he plans to....

     
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    Mermaid1082    September 4, 2010   St Louis, MO

    IMO, if you've set a date and started planning, then you're engaged.  Planning a wedding makes you engaged, not a ring.

    It's a to eac their own situation, I guess, but for me it would have been crazy.  I new FI was going to propose, but I also know I wanted to wait until it was official.  I think it's so presumtuous and could be bad luck.

     
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    bellenga    July 31, 2010   Georgia

    What a great question Lillindy!

    And yes, I have been in two dress shops and tried a few on, but felt wierd.  I'm with Mrs. Mouse on this one as I did indeed change my mind about style and pretty much everything else since then!

    I have a former coworker who bought a dress for her soon to be engagement to a guy.  He didn't really give her an engagement ring but the jerk said "you could CONSIDER yourself engaged" and then it shortly within a few months fell apart.  She kept the dress and when she met the guy she married, she actually wore that dress.

    Plus I have a cousin who was engaged sans ring, and bought the dress, reserved all venues, and had all down payments made and poof!  The guy disappeared a few weeks before the wedding and no ring was ever presented to her. 

    These two events make me leary of buying dress before the ring.  I saw that episode by the way, and think that girl had some cajones on her to do that!  Luckily her guy came through..but there's nothing like a little national public exposure and tv cameras along with your girl trying on wedding dresses to give a bit of ring push dontcha think???

     

     
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    catlady    June 26, 2010   Toronto

    Personally, I wouldn't do it...but that's just me.  I know when I finally went dres shopping, the first question I was asked was the wedding date.  I just would have felt awkward telling them there was no date especially knowing how some vendors think.  We were engaged on Valentine's Day and received some weird looks from vendors when we met with them around March.  Although we had a wedding date set, many vendors were quick to tell me it was too early to book.  Just imagine how oddly they would have looked at us if we told them we weren't even engaged.

     
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    stripes    September 2010  

    Fair enough! To each her own.

    @ei_laura- you seem like a pretty sane "nut job" and your story is wonderful. sorry to offend! :)

     
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    ei_laura    April 15, 2011   Perth, Western Australia

    Hehe, no problem.

    I get up on my high horse about this issue a little!

    I'm a journalist, so me and soapboxes mix pretty well. :p

     
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    Minutiae    May 2011  

    It's not something I would do. Although I do a lot of wedding stuff online, I refuse to make any moves  in real life until I get a proposal, and that includes planning with my man or even talking about weddings beyond the generalities.

     
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    CorgiTales    February 1, 2011  

    In general, I would say no. However, I was almost positive my (now)FI was going to propose for about 3 months before he did. If I had just stumbled across a dress (I wouldn't have gone shopping) during that time that I LOVED and that fit great and that was on some kind of incredible sale, I'd do it. 

     
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    mechiebaby    June 4, 2010   Malaysia / Washington DC

    I am terribly and embarassingly superstitious, so I wouldn't! But if an engagement is in the works and you find the right dress at the right price, I could see bending the rules a bit ;)

     
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    daniellemybelle    June 19, 2010   Baltimore, MD

    ei_laura, I'm a journalist too, haha! I'll get right up there with you :)

    I will say once again, let's be thoughtful of our large waiting community here and the many different gray areas of engagement, and how touchy that can be. I don't think its appropriate to say someone is crazy or wedding obsessed if they buy a wedding dress before they are engaged. Shockingly, my grandmother had the lovely blue dress she wore at her intimate wedding long before she got married! I think we put too much emphasis on consumerist ideas that surround weddings, when we should be putting the emphasis on the love and excitement that surrounds weddings instead. I was excited to be in love and ready to marry my one and only and that's why I started shopping when I did, among other more practical reasons. I don't see why that is crazy.

    Also - I don't think its appropriate for all those on here who say "If you are planning your wedding and know you are getting married, you're engaged, ring or no ring". I did not consider myself engaged until I had my ring even though we were planning our wedding. Maybe its sounds silly to you, but it felt totally different after FI's wonderful proposal and after we let all our friends and family in our plans. For "ladies in waiting", its often easy to feel like your proposal is not as special as those that are total surprises, so saying "Oh, you are already engaged," isn't a good idea.

    Just looking out for my waiting girls! 

     
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    ddubzz    June 5, 2010   Los Angeles, CA

    I wouldn't (and didn't) do it... but then again, I wasn't wedding-obsessed until I was actually engaged. 

     
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    FutureMrsDuff    8/28/2009   Bloomington, MN

    I'd want to say "heck no," I mean to me it's almost like bad juju.

    Then again, if I had happened to see the PERFECT dress at a good price, I might have been persuaded differently.

     
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    LittleLynx    May 28, 2011   Canada

    I don't think I could have even brought myself to try on dresses before I got engaged! I just feel like it's putting the cart before the horse, I guess. What happens if you find one you love? Do you buy it, even though you have no plans to get married? Just keep it in your closet until you get engaged? What if it doesn't fit anymore when you do?

    If you have plans to get married, even if you're not technically "engaged", I think that's different.

     
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    I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I did. I haven't told my friends, I mean, look at the reactions on this board!

    My BF and I have been talking about marriage, the ring is bought, but we're waiting for him to graduate. I bought my dress via WB. It's a sample, one of a kind and at an amazing price.

    It also made my heart stop, I'm so in love with it. I already knew what my body shape looks good in, and when I slipped it on, I teared up it was so pretty. My BF knows about it, he's a deal-hunter himself so he was happy that I found my perfect dress at a perfect price- he said he'd be weirded out if I spent a lot of money on it than buying it early. Also- we're not the sentimental/superstious types. We like saving money.

    I also had some bad bridal salon experiences as a bridesmaid and knew it wasn't for me. But that's just me. Everyone is different. I knew the risks I was taking coming in and I still love my dress and have never had second thought.

    PS. Sure there is a chance we'd break up. However, how many poor engaged girls get their dresses and have to resell them? It's the same chance, a crappy relationship is a crappy relationship whether there is a dress or ring or not.

     
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    I don't think that we all have to agree to the nice coverall phrase "to each their own." I think that it's 100% ok for women to voice their opinion that buying a wedding gown before a proposal is an unwise thing to do.  You may be the exception to the rule, but I think that general advice still applies to the larger population.  As a woman who wasted a lot of time dreaming and planning a wedding before I was engaged, I can attest that this kind of behavior was detrimental to my relationship as it bred discontent and bitterness that Lambster wasn't ready yet.  My personal advice would be to focus on the here and now of your relationship and not to spend time in wedding dress shops unless you have an event date to wear it!

     
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    missrain    January 2, 2010   Austin

    In general I would think that is pretty presumptuous, BUT I actually did it! Mr.Rain physically proposed in July, but we knew-- and had discussed-- since April that we were going to get married. My parents live overseas, and mom was here in the states for a few weeks in May and June, so he told me we could do any mom and daughter wedding prep we wanted to.

    So yes, I bought the dress weeks before he proposed, but as even he will point out, even though he hadn't proposed we were basically already engaged.

     
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    farfromordinarybride    December 31, 2010   PA

    Personally I believe it depends on the individual. I am a huge believer that you have to do what works for you and not what other people believe you to do.  I am also the product of parents where my mom proposed to my dad and FI and I are having a very non-traditional wedding and trust and believe had I found the dress, I would have bought it ring or no ring.

    I find it amazing that the ring symbolizes a concrete committment because to me it is just a peice of jewelry. The symbolism and what I preserve is the question and the verbal committment we made to each other. Before I met the love of my life, I could have spewed off statistics and the 4 c's and demands of what I wanted and when I met him, before we officially announced, we knew and to me that is enough.  The ring is a symbol for the outside world and as far as i'm concerned, ring or no ring people always have an opinion about how YOUR life should be.

    I think my problem with the girl in particular for the show was she never indiciated her guy was on board. They just happened to be in the neighborhood and she and the bff thought it would be fun.

    I think it's sad that in this day and time there is such a huge value put on the ring, is it big enough, did he pay enough, it's silver not gold, platinum but not perfect-women actually feel bad because they associate value to the ring, men feel inadequate because they can not afford what they really want.

    My best friend MARRIED her husband and never had a ring, because he couldn't afford it. 5 years into the marriage, he told her it was time and allowed her to go to the Cartier store in beverly hills and shop to her hearts content.  11 years and one 6 carat Cartier stone later, they are still happy b/c they built their marriage and relationship on something concrete and it wasn't on what everyone else thought.

     
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    Another point- because although I'm keeping my dress decision quiet from my friends, it pains me to see people using words like super crazy.

    How is buying a dress so different from stalking a wedding blog? Having weddings on the mind is one thing, but there isn't a one-fits all approach. If your SO is on board, what's the big deal? There are so many worse circumstances I wouldn't want, like a crappy family situation, or not actually being ready. A dress is just a dress.

     
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    MsHymanRoth    October 24, 2009   Boston

    No. I didn't even think of weddings or dresses or anything before getting engaged though ... it's just how I am I guess. I would think that must be a really hard thing to do though ...

     
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    tialuv    May 29th 2010   South Jersey/Wedding in Seattle

    yikes...i wouldnt do it lol.

     
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    onada01    September 2010   New Jersey

    wow - no way...unless we talked about it and I knew i was getting engaged a few days later but even then..whats the rush? seems a little desperate to me...

     
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    ei_laura    April 15, 2011   Perth, Western Australia

    @lamb, I find the suggestion that anyone who buys a dress before they are formally engaged is a "psycho" a lot more offensive than me suggesting maybe, if something works for someone, who are we to judge?

    I understand that if you go out dress shopping when you aren't engaged and have little to no indication that your significant other WANTS to marry you, then you may have a problem. But hell, even if you're single, if you love it, it's you, you're not the size changing or mind changing type and it's a steal, why not?

    And as for a change of mind...

    How many two, three (I've even seen a four) dress brides are there out there who are already well into their engagements? Indecisiveness is indecisiveness ring or no ring. And there are some VERY long engagements out there.

    I think buying a dress before the engagement is far less unwise than all those other pre-engagement things people often do without a big rock on their finger. Move in together, buy houses, have babies.

    And when did engagement become the only indicator of a lasting commitment? If you aren't pretty sure you want to spend your lives together before the proposal, and that there are not big cracks in your relationship, then there may be issues there.

    My partner said to me that he can't imagine why men get nervous when proposing, because surely if you don't know she wants to marry you by that point, you should make the point to find out.

    I'm obviously not the exception to the rule... as sulaii, missrain, futuremrsharless, italiana... etc, show.

     
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    simpleandchic    November 27, 2010   Adelaide, South Australia

    @ei Laura you are making some very good points there esp about the other comitments. My FI and I bought a house before we were engaged. I know a wedding dress that cost $2000 is a much less risk than a $350,000 house. We had been together 7 years when we bought the house so we figured we were pretty committed already. For us the Engagment/wedding is just something we wanted to do because.....well we wanted to but it is not drastically going to change anything. We will be togeher almost 10 years by the time we gt married and it would not have made any difference if I got the dress a month ago (which I did) or 2 years ago when we bought the house.

     
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    Here here ei laura! Good point! My boyfriend took a huge risk moving here to be with me... far more risk than me buying a dress.

    The whole point of WB is to open our eyes to what other's think. Why is everyone so judgemental?

     
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    OfficeBride    2010  

    I'm a modern woman with a touch of superstitious - and I'd have to say no on this one.  I wouldn't be able to stop the "what if's" from entering my mind.

     

    Plus, looking for a dress is a big thing, and something to look forward to.  I love all the different stages of planning a wedding - it gives me something to look forward to once I'm done with a stage.

     
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    Jessie516    May 16, 2009   Ann Arbor, MI

    I don't think I would have done bought a dress before we got engaged.  I would have wanted to have decided on a venue and size and stuff before I picked a dress. I would have hated to have purchased a really fancy dress with a cathedral train and then decided to have a beach wedding or something. 

     
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    Tulip61110    June 11, 2010   Philadelphia

    That's flat out crazy.  A big reason I chose my dress was because I felt like it really fit in with my venue.  If you aren't even engaged yet, chances are you don't even know where you will be getting married!

     
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    CupcakeSprinkles    October 16, 2010   Dallas, Texas

    I think it depends on the situation -- I don't know that I would go dress shopping before a ring -- where you call up David's Bridal or Alfred Angelo and make an appointment.  But if I were walking through a department store or in a resale store or whatever and I saw it and it was a great deal -- I'd think long and hard about purchasing it. 

    For me personally, my FI and I had been talking about getting married for months before he proposed, he put the ring on our homeowner's insurance policy -- I knew it was coming.  I was too superstitious however to even buy a single bridal magazine or look up wedding info online.  I thought it might jinx the proposal I knew was coming.  But that's just me. 

     
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    JoonBee    06/2010  

    I suppose if the talk of marriage has taken place, andthe girl is not being presumptious, it's ok? I personally would NEVER do that until I was officially engaged (I am very cautious).  I do think it would be presumptious of a girl if she buys a dress without at least a very serious marriage talk or a very strong impression that the bf WILL most likely propose, even if they've been together a long time, bought a house with bf, etc. etc.. Also, a lack of ring doesn't mean a couple aren't engaged.. The most important thing is the intent!

    But yea, if I hear a girl just bought a dress before getting engaged, and there is nothing more facts to back up that story, I would think she's getting ahead of herself and a little bride-crazy.  It's just an opinion.  But it does seem like the posters here who did get a dress all did it because they were already pretty semi engaged.

     
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    LovestheBear    July 2011  

    I wouldn't do it because I may possibly be the most indesicive person I know.  I not really looking forward to dress shopping, because I know that even though my family says they would love to be there, I can just imagine the complaints and the looks on their faces as I drag them through NYC.  Plus, I hate dropping large amounts of money on anything.

     
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    missrain    January 2, 2010   Austin

    People clearly aren't reading all the prior posts! I agree, there are circumstances when it can be crazy, but there are also plenty of us who are exceptions to that rule!

    I am, apparently, the acception to many rules! Wink We have known our wedding venue since we first started even discussing the possibility of marriage...

     
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    Brianalaura    August 14, 2010   Ontario, Canada

    My fiance and I had been talking about marriage for a long time before we got engaged.  I came across a dress on the internet and fell in love with it, but I felt super awkward buying a dress before being engaged (for reasons people listed above, e.g. not knowing when we'd be engaged or where we'd be getting married).  I told my fiance and my mom about it, he told me just to get it and my mom told me I should probably wait since I hadn't seen it in person and I might change my mind.  I ended up going with Mom's advice.

    FYI - We were engaged like a month or two after I brought it up.  Haha!  Both my mom and my fiance knew I was getting the proposal at that point!  I ended up buying that dress anyway.

     
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    lopeze4183    September 19, 2010   Brooklyn, NY

    Nope, no way!

    While it may be ok for other people, I'm way to superstitious!

     
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    Keep in mind, the girl on SYTTD got engaged five days later.  She probably knew it was coming and didn't want to pass up a steal.  I was actually a little peeved that my fiance proposed AFTER all the big summer sales!

    Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with pouncing on something you love at a great price, if you know you're going to use it.  For myself, I'm glad that I didn't sneak off to any sales though; it took me a lot of shopping and comparing to figure out what I wanted.

     
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    JoonBee    06/2010  

    If you've talked about wedding venues, that shows an intention that you'll likely get married one day. It's implied! 

     
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    cheerful    September 2009 - eloped  

    Certainly there are different circumstances for everyone. For me, it was sweeter and sentimental to plan the wedding after we were officially engaged. We'd talked about marriage, even made some plans, but like bellenga, we didn't put deposits down on anything or buy anything for the wedding.

    A ring is a symbol of commitment because it takes commitment to 1) save the money, 2) choose one ring from thousands, 3) have the courage and commitment to ask someone to marry you. Not everyone needs that particular symbol of commitment, but a lot of us like it. It may be "just" a ring to someone, but to me, it is a very dear symbol of my husband's commitment to me. A child of divorce, he found it hard to commit to marriage because he was so afraid of the possible pain of a divorce. For him to overcome that, to ask me to marry him clearly with full knowledge of what could happen was a commitment that I was worth the risk of that pain - our marriage could be good enough to be worth that. It means a lot to me. 

     
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    daniellemybelle    June 19, 2010   Baltimore, MD

    I need to just stop coming in this thread because I know its going to upset me! ei_laura is spot on. Plenty of brides on here share money, homes, children with their FIs and we don't judge them or say its "flat out crazy" to make that kind of risky commitment without a ring - but somehow a DRESS, a piece of clothing, is? 

    Not to mention its not true at all that if you aren't engaged, you don't know where you are getting married yet. I did. I know plenty others on here did too.

    Maybe I'm being overly sensitive because of my personal experiences, but I am really blown away by how out of character this thread is for Wedding Bee. Again, I could never imagine a thread saying, "How insane is it that they own a house together before the proposal?? That is crazy / desperate!!" I love how welcoming the hive is, even if sometimes we bend over backwards. I'd much rather this community be too nice than the opposite!

     
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    cheerful    September 2009 - eloped  

    Um, I didn't say anything because I wasn't asked, but I do think owning a home together before a formal commitment is risky. My fostermother bought a house with a man and when they broke up (never married or engaged) she had to sell her half to him at a substantial loss. It's a very difficult thing to recover from. And what would she have done if he hadn't bought her out at all? The thread question asked for opinions. Most people have said circumstances truly dictate the reasonability of any action. Many things are reasonable in specific circumstances that generally aren't advisable. Same thing for dresses and houses before engagements, n'est c'est pas?

     
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    daniellemybelle    June 19, 2010   Baltimore, MD

    cheerful, I was just saying that if the thread's title was "What do you think of buying a house together before the ring?" or something, people would not being using the words "psycho" and "flat out crazy" and "desperate", out of sensitivity for those who have made that choice. I think that same sensitivity should be used here, especially in light of the fact that it is JUST a dress. I will say what I've already said once again - consumerism has made us think that the dress holds this enormous significance, and while wedding gowns are special, in the end they are still clothing.

     
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    cheerful    September 2009 - eloped  

    I agree, daniellemybelle, that words like "desperate" don't help the conversation very much. They are hurtful. I think the reactions do point to the fact that many people find their wedding dresses to be very significant - and it's not just consumerism. I know many people who have worn their mother's and grandmother's dresses because of how much they valued the sentiment of that. I, embarrassingly, only found my dress on the third try; there was something different about it that made me feel like I was really truly getting married. I agree that there is a fetishization of objects around weddings that makes no sense whatsoever. Spending money on lots of "must have" items, trinkets, and the rest has gotten out of control. Going back to the buying a dress before an engagement - I think it points to the sad fact that a lot of women want to get married more than their boyfriends do and sometimes that leads to broken hearts and unworn wedding dresses.

     

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