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What kind of work does it need? And does it all need to be done before you move in?
Our house needed (and still needs) some TLC but a lot of it we are just doing ourself and learning as we go. I could hardly chage a lightbulb before we moved in, but last weekend I was putting up baseboard molding :)
Are you sure you don't know anyone who knows a contractor? I would branch out a bit and consider asking neighbors or coworkers- I'm sure someone would have a recommendation. Shy of that, I am a big fan of using internet reviews to find good services. Yelp has honestly never steered me wrong, and there are several sites like that.
Just some encouragement- a lot of people think it is not ideal to buy a house that 'needs work,' but I have news for them: every house needs work! Whether it needs it now or in a year or two, everyone will need a contractor or at least a handyman someday! I come from a family with MANY contractors in it and can assure you that home improvement can be a good learning experience, so even if you aren't handy now- you will be soon! Also, take advantage of the free (or cheap) classes that Home Depot and Lowe's offer. They are a great way to learn how to do things like lay tile, etc., and they can save you a lot of time and money.
As someone whom just bought a big old house that needs attention I suggest Kitchen and Living room. those are the places you will be the majority of the time. But you have to make sure the structure of the house is good first and foremost.
@Bostongrl25: Nothing super major. Anywhere we go we'd redo the floors (unless there was already hardwood, which there never is), and I'm not too intimidated by that and have a pretty good idea of the cost and how much work it would be. The only major thing we'd change in most places we've seen is the kitchen. I don't think I'd want to DIY that because I think it would take forever and we can't live without a kitchen. Ideall all of this would be done before moving in, but I don't know if we could do that... it'd have be to a very fast turnaround for that to happen, because we can't pay rent and a mortgage for very long, I'm sure.
The house we are thinking of making an offer on needs a new kitchen, which would entail moving where some of the appliances are (so plumbing, electric) and replacing all the cabinets and counter tops, which are about 20 years old and look 40 years old. It's like, this is not an issue if it would cost 10K for a very, very basic, low-cost materials kitchen (it's a condo, so we'd want it to look nice, but not to spend a fortune). Or 15K. If it would start getting to 20 or 25K, we might have to pass on this property.
You could check out resources at home depot, lowes or rona. They sometimes have classes to show you how to DIY to save money. Also if you have any friends that might have experience maybe they will help and show you how to DIY. We were lucky because FI is handy and i am a quick learner so we were able to renovate our whole place ourselves. As for hiring a contractor i have heard allot of bad things about them and how the projects get put off for months. I would go straight to the source and maybe save some money. For example you need a new tub/sink/etc in your bathroom i would just go ahead and hire a plumber. As for money it all depends what needs to be done. We were able to renovate our whole place for about $10,000. That was paint, doors, baseboards, two remodeled bathrooms, new counrter tops & tile backsplash in kitchen, new stainless steel appliances but, luckily the last owners updated the flooring so we were able to keep it and work with it. If we had hired a contractor i am sure it would have been upwards of $20,000 for the same renovations.
i would research online first to get an idea of how much the projects will cost you and decide if yous want to take it on or not....
kitchen remodels can get expensive depending on how much you want to do to it.....and definitely if you have to hire a contractor and not do it yourself....
if most of the projects are simple things like painting, switching out fixtures....then thats not so bad....
but if its gutting a room and starting from scratch, your gonna be looking at big bucks....
the average cost to remodel a 10X20 kitchen is roughly 10k-20k....thats just an estimate though...
My only tip for you is to BE SURE to get a GOOD home inspector. They can tell you if it's just a leaky faucet or if you'll have to replace the entire cabinet and wall because of rot. And usually you can get some money off the buying price based on things the inspector finds. It's worth the extra cost.
@roxy_angell13: $10K for the whole place? That is AMAZING!!!
I should say, even though we don't have a lot of experience, I'm not afraid of doing a lot of it ourselves. Except the kitchen! I don't want to live without one for a month while we're trying to figure things out. :) I've tiled counters before and I helped my parents install laminate flooring, and painting is easy even though it is a hassle. It's just when it comes to things like changing the layout of a kitchen and installing new cabinets (and moving the sink; damn this sounds like a lot of work) that there is no way I'm DIYing. ;)
We just bought an apartment that needs work (vanity updating, like old tile in the bathroom and outdated kitchen, refinishing floors) and we also have zero experience in this arena. For us, the real estate market is so crazy (NYC) that we took a leap of faith and bought into our dream building in a unit bigger than we could afford if it were all new and updated.
What we did was we searched online for 'average' remodeling costs across the country which made us a little more comfortable with the cost. This was done primarily by my DH so I apologize I don't have the websites handy. Obviously it will suck for a few years being cash strapped since all of our disposable income will go into renovations, but the upside is we're in a bigger space in a nicer building.
As far as choosing contractors, try to go with someone who a friend or family member recently used. We are lucky because many of our friends have bought in this city and done renovations, so we have a lot of referrals for contractors. And there are only a handful of contractors who do specific things like put AC units through the wall, etc.
@moderndaisy: Having friends' recommendations would make us feel much safer, I have to say. :( Unfortunately, none of our friends have bought anything, except one couple which never did any renovations to their house so they don't have any referrals. I'll see if I can find any more specific average costs. I got a lot of "It depends." Which sounds like law school all over again. :)
But what you're doing sounds a lot like what we're hoping to do. Assuming there are no major repairs to do, it's mostly just vanity updating (which would be easier to live with if we do them before moving in, but not 100% necessary), which is why I feel okay attempting most of it on our own. Good luck to you!
@spaniel: Thats great that youll do a lot of work yourself. And yes, hardwoods are easy! Im actually helping my mom do her floors now :) And I agree with the PP, home depot has some great free classes.
I don't blame you for not wanting to DIY the kitchen. Thats one of the few things we won't tackle ourself either. Not having a stove or a sink for a few months is not an option for me! What I would recomend is this-If you love everything else about the house, could you deal with the kitchen for the time being? I say that because our kitchen is straight from 1950's...its horrendous. But I loved the house from the moment we walked in so we ignored the kitchen. The appliances work and even thought its ugly, its still functional. Now a few months later we have talked to neighbors and gotten some referrals for contractors. We also have done work on the rest of the house which has given us a better idea of the type and feel of kitchen that we like. We have also spent hours and hours looking at different designs. I think its better to live in a house for a little while before you make major changes.
Good luck!
@spaniel: I totally know what you mean, we are actually still in the same boat where we don't really know what it's going to cost. The majority of the cost will obviously be labor and as long as you are OK passing up on high-end finishes, you can keep costs down. We are not cash heavy by any means, but we've accepted the fact that we'll have to do one project at a time if we don't want to go into debt. There are certain things that NEED to be done before we move in like the floors and AC units going through the walls, but other things like retiling the bathrooms and updating the kitchen can wait.
I think that a membership to Angie's list would be worth it for you. I think its like $40 for a year. Seems like its a bit more reliable than other review websites.
I think some of the things in your kitchen you can definitely DIY.
Since you say you guys are not very handy I would NOT tackle plumbing and electrical yourselves. Electrical not wired properly is a HUGE fire risk.
I think budget depends on what kind of kitchen you want. If you're thinking simple Formica counter tops and laminate floors VS granite counter tops and terrazzo flooring. That's a huge price difference. Don't forget to price in appliances as well. Those are NOT cheap.
Sometimes it's not just about having the skills or knowledge to install something it's also about having the proper tools. Especially when it comes to flooring sometimes specialty tools are required that cost $$$.
GL!
I can't wait till my husband and I are ready to go house shopping for the first time even though we currently own our own home. It'll def be a home where we will change every room and additions.
Also dont' be afraid to ask co-workers for referrals on contractors.
If I were you I might even call up contractors for a quote before putting in an offer on the home.
And absolutely get a reputable home inspector.
@Gerbera: "If I were you I might even call up contractors for a quote before putting in an offer on the home." YES. I wasn't sure if this was done or if that's totally crazy. :) I think it's impossible to price a kitchen without seeing what's already there (and where it is), so I didn't know if I could even do that. But I guess it doesn't hurt to ask. :)
As far as materials... yeah. It's a condo. We're hoping we'll live there 5 years before renting it out, so granite countertops and marble floors aren't exactly a priority. :) We can upgrade again later if we decide we have to in order to sell it; right now we just want to make sure it doesn't look like crap and is functional for the way we live and cook. ;)
Do you have pictures of the areas you want to change from the listing or any you took yourselves? If you do, and know the dimensions of the room, you can go to HD or Lowe's and sit down with them and they'll easily give you an idea of what it might cost (or a least a range). They also have contractors you can hire through them.
For many DIY projects ,and especially ones where electric and plumbing are involved or moving things (changing location of sink,frig,etc) a pretty basic rule of thumb is that whatever you 'think' it will cost- double it. Any time there's a hidden problem or something no one can foresee will obviously cost more to repair or replace.
I agree that living in a place for awhile before deciding makes a lot of sense.
Always ,always, always get at least three estimates before hiring anyone. You'll be shocked at how prices can vary.
I'm spending 2600 dollars on granite counters, new sink and new faucet in a galley kitchen in a condo in the Washington, DC area. I've priced dishwashers at about $700 for a quiet model very important in a condo. Refrigerators are really expensive. I had a quote for 10K for cabinets. Remember it's expensive to move plumbing and electrical connections, if your moving appliances. It might be worth figuring out the average hourly going rate in your area for plumbers and electricians.
Took me a while to write this, so I could be repeating things.
Spaniel,
I wen with granite in the condo, even though we are hoping to sell in two years, been there for almost six, because that's a reno that many neighbors have done. you need to see what's been done in comparable units also.
@kayakgirl73: I get granite if you're planning to sell soon. If they had granite countertops, we might be less on the fence about buying. :)
We're definitely looking for something that we could do cosmetic and not-so-cosmetic upgrades to over time. My brother-in-law is a contractor but he's just starting to work on his own. Hopefully, we'll end up being his references.
Of course, none of this will happen if we can't actually buy something. We can't afford to spend much (hopefully can find something for under $300K) and everything in our price range is tiny or seems like it'd be best to knock it down and start from scratch.
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Mr. Spaniel and I are hoping to buy a house this year, but it looks like, in our budget, we'll only be able to find a place that is going to need some TLC, to put it mildly. We don't mind doing some work, but we've never done it before and we're not super handy, so we'll have to hire out bigger jobs (like, say, a kitchen remodel).
Any advice on where to start? We know we'll need a contractor. We don't know any, and we don't know anyone who has done any remodels who can refer us to someone, but we'd like to have a better idea of how long this kind of project might take and what it might cost before we decide whether to buy this year or wait until next year and hopefully find a place that's finished. What resources would you to go to try to get these kinds of answers?