Post # 1
I know there are a few knowledgable bees out there so I’m looking for some advice.
My engagement ring is beatiful, I love it and wouldn’t change it for the world. The only thing is I’m not totally confinced we got what we paid for.
Its meant to be a 1.1ct brilliant excellent cut VS2. I thought this meant that there should be no inclusions that are visble to the naked eye (only with a magnifying glass thingy)
However, in certian lights, when you look at the ring from a specific angle I can see a small inclusion.
It doesn’t really bother me, it just would annoy me more that FI paid for something he didn’t get.
Does this sound right or not and what would you suggest I say to the shop if anything? I’m going in to pick up my wedding ring so will be going to the shop anyway.
Post # 3
@kittybee:Go back to the shop and ask if you can see it under their microscope or loupe. They can fully educate you about it. Then, if they find something inconsistent with what they told you–they found it themselves with you watching, and they’ll do something about it.
(I am not a diamond expert.)
Post # 4
@kittybee: Yeah, I thought that VS2 meant that you could only see very slight inclusions under a 10x magnification and impossible to see with the naked eye! You shouldn’t be seeing any imperfections with a VS2! Hey, it can’t hurt to say something to the shop!
Post # 5
yeah i would totally take it back and have a look under the microscope so they can see for themselves…it also wouldnt hurt to check out another reputable jewlery for a second opinon before going back to the shop that tried to dupe you.
Post # 6
The different clarity levels mean where the inclusion is actually located within the diamond. Like, I1-I3 is right up there at the top where you can see. SI1-2 means its somewhere in that level right around the largest part of the diamond. VS1-2 is supposed to be below the girdle I think it’s called, which the the band-looking area on the side. If the inclusion is right in the middle, it might be easier to see. I only know all of this because we chose our diamond and there were all kinds of charts and graphs lol. Which angle are you looking at? All of these levels usually mean when you’re looking at it from the top you can’t see anything with the naked eye. Here is a little bit more info:
Post # 7
Wow! This is good to know! I had no idea as well what all those stand for.
Post # 8
Its a little dark spec in the middle of the ring, near the ‘surface’, but you can only see it when you hold it at an angle. Straight on its invisable.
It doesn’t sound like a VS2.
To be honest, I’d still keep the ring because I love it, I’d just like the shop to give my FI some money back if its a lower quality diamond than he paid for.
Post # 9
My ring is a VS2 and I cant see anything. When he bought it, they walked him through it and gave him a print out of the ring with everywhere that there was any “cloudiness” (under a scope). My Brother bought his wife a VS 2 also and had the issue that you are having. She saw an inclusion and he knew it wasnt supposed to be there. He took it back to the jeweler he got it from and they told him they “accidentally” switched diamonds. They ended up reseting it with a better diamond than he bought in the first place- and he (and my father) went back to pick it up and double check it. You could either go back to that jeweler and talk to them, or have it appraised elsewhere and then take the appraisal back with the one they gave him. Then they cant refute it.
Post # 10
with a vs2 you should not be able to see anything with the naked eye. I would take it back to the store so your FI can get some of his money back.
Post # 11
Have you cleaned it lately?
I know that sometimes a little dirt can get trapped underneath.
Post # 12
I went to the shop at lunch time and got a 2nd opinion from another jeweller and its really tricky. Its probably only just a VS2, and subjective at that. Hence its been valued at 50% more than we paid for it.
The tricky part is I love the ring and its my absolute max budget. I wouldn’t want to pay any more and I wouldn’t want a smaller stone so all in all I’m happy with what we’ve got, it really is tiny and you have to be holding it a certain way in a certain light to even see it.
I did ask them at the time why it was valued higher than the price and they claimed they got a great deal on a set of diamonds. When in fact, it has a very minor flaw reducing its value which I feel should have been pointed out.
Would I have still got it – probably, just would have been nice to know.
Oh and LuckyJuls, good point, was the first thing I thought of so I did clean it.
Post # 13
I don’t know if this will make you feel any better but I have an SI1 and there is a TINY TINY black speck in the middle but it’s mostly hidden by the cut and no one will ever notice it but me. I tried to show my FI and he couldn’t see it. I just think of it as a mark that shows it is mine if I ever have anything done to my ring. 🙂
Post # 14
Yeah I think with a VS2 you shouldn’t be able to see anything. I know my DH comprimised on the clarity (I think I’m an SI2) and i have two visible inclusions, but one is hidden by the setting since it’s on the outer rim and the other is extremely hard to see because of how good the cut is, usually the diamond sparkles so much it’s invisible. It has to be in a certain light in order to see it.
I’m not really sure what you can do as far as getting money back, unfortunately I feel like this is something that needed to be negotiated ahead of time. If there is adequate paperwork on the diamond, the jeweler can probably stand behind thath and make up some reason why you can see an inclusion and why it fits with a VS2 rating.
Post # 15
@kittybee: Who was it certified by? GIA? AGS? EGL?
VS2 means very slight included (can see inclusions with a 10X microscope), but it is on the lower end of the VS spectrum so your diamond may be borderline VS – SI.
Generally you should not be able to see inclusions with a VS grade stone, but since it is a VS2 there is a possibility of having a very small inclusion that may be visible to the naked eye (as in your eye is pressed up against the stone looking very closely). If you look at your certification sheet it should tell you exactly where the inclusions are and what kind of inclusions you have (clouds, feathers, crystals, etc.)
I don’t think your FI “paid for something he didn’t get”. From your description it sounds like it is very difficult to see the inclusion.. If it was a VVS2 then I would be worried, but with a VS2 I think he probably got a fair deal.