Can photographer prevent me from posting non-watermarked photos on facebook?

posted 3 years ago in Photos/Videos
  • poll: Can I post the non-watermarked photos on facebook?
    Yes : (27 votes)
    28 %
    No : (64 votes)
    67 %
    I don't know : (5 votes)
    5 %
  • Post # 3
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    9137 posts
    Buzzing Beekeeper
    • Wedding: November 2013 - St. Augustine Beach, FL

    @FiddleSticks:  If you post them and the photographer finds out they can request that FB take them down.  Is the watermark tasteful?  If so, why wouldn’t you want them recognized for their work?  If not, ask them to design a more tasteful logo.

    It’s not just free advertising.  Once posted to FB, FB can use non-watermarked images for anything (adverts, catalogues, etc…)  They are also trying to protect their work from being passed off as someone else’s work.  Without the watermarks anyone could save the photos and then lie to brides that it’s their work when it isn’t.

    Post # 4
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    1584 posts
    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: September 2013

    @FiddleSticks:  If you use the photos online, credit has to be given, weather you tag every picture with their page, or you use the watermarked versions. I should hope that the watermark is small and unobtrusive, so you can use those.

    Post # 5
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    4819 posts
    Honey bee
    • Wedding: May 2012

    I think this is where you get screwed:

    may not sell or publish images without written consent of Photographer” to me that means no, you can’t “publish” these photos on facebook.

    Post # 6
    Hostess
    9919 posts
    Buzzing Beekeeper
    • Wedding: May 2014

    @FiddleSticks:  Yep.  They own the copyright meaning you don’t own the rights to the photos.  You can’t post them without the watermark. 

    Post # 7
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    3570 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: September 2011

    If it were me I would absolutely post the non-watermarked versions.  The likelihood of her images being stolen is very small, so for me it’s all about marketing.  What is she going to do if you put them up?  Sue you?  I’d love to see her try to come up with what her damages are.  

    ETA: Your photog sounds like a real jerk.

    Post # 8
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    3635 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: May 2012

    They own the copyright and have every right to tell you that you can’t publish them at all.  Is a watermark a big deal?

    Post # 9
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    85 posts
    Worker bee
    • Wedding: September 2015

    If that is the contact you signed, then she has every right to say that as an artist. Unless you bought out the full rights to all of the images.

    Post # 10
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    3570 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: September 2011

    @almostmrsj:  I think a watermark is a really big deal.  If it’s bad, it’s the first thing you look at on a photo.  They can be totally obstrusive.

    Post # 11
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    11668 posts
    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: November 1999

    Yes she can. Don’t be deceptive and defriend her and do it anyways.  I’d test out one of the non-watermarked photos because when I got my e-pics on a disc, none of them had watermarks, but when I uploaded them to facebook, every picture automatically had Copyright Photographers Name, Date as the caption to the photo.  So, maybe these are the same way?

     

    Post # 12
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    1315 posts
    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: May 2006

    As the copyright holder your photographer is legally entitled to set the rules where their work is distributed. Facebook is pretty controversial amongst photographers because they keep changing their policies regarding material you upload. Currently Facebook has a clause that allows them to use images uploaded to the service in ads without consent or compensation. To those who make their livelihood off of photos that’s disconcerning. Facebook also strips metadata out of photos, which erases the information embedded in the image that attributes copyright.  All of which are serious issues for photographers.

    Most photographers do not like the fact that they have to use watermarks. In a perfect world our clients would just credit the images to us anytime they were posted. Unfortunately that doesn’t always happen. Personally it’s not worth my time or energy to police my clients on whether or not they credit our work when they post it on Facebook. Most of them do, because they understand how important it is. I’m not sure what your relationship is with your photographer – but if I were you I’d just ask. We provide Facebook optimized photos to our clients with a white bar at the bottom of the photo that has our website URL. It’s small and it doesn’t cover up any part of the photo. It’s very easy to crop out, and we put people on the honor system when it comes to it. I honestly wouldn’t have a huge problem with any photo being posted as long as we’re credited. I don’t especially want Facebook using my work in ads, but there is only so much you can do to protect yourself.

    I know it’s hard for people to wrap their minds around, but copyright law is very much on the side of the art creator. From a legal standpoint you do not own the images to your wedding.

    Post # 14
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    3635 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: May 2012

    @MrsTVLover:  But it’s Facebook.  She has non-watermarked photos that she can print.  The photog isn’t forcing you to print an entire album with their watermark on it.  They are asking you to respect their business out in the public domain.  They have that right as the copyright holder and I see no problem with it.  Now if you purchased the copyrights to the images, you can post them without watermark – which obviously OP did not. 

    Post # 15
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    10384 posts
    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: September 2010

    Your contract is pretty clear that you have to have her permission to repost the images, and she is only allowing you to post watermarked photos. Why does it matter so much? People will still be able to see the pretty photos.

    Post # 16
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    2205 posts
    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: June 2017

    @MrsWBS:  +1 This.  Usually the copyright info is put in as the caption anyways.

    @MrsTVLover:  I don’t think the photog is a jerk, I think she’s protecting herself.  It used to be that you couldn’t even get your own images to make reprints at Wal-Mart without written permission.  Now you can, and photo policies can be lax.  I’ve known photographers who get screwed out big time because someone took an image and got it reprinted without permission.  It’s akin to copying pages from a book and handing them out for non-educational purposes.  Or uploading movies to YouTube.  FaceBook is a little more muddled, but that still doesn’t make it right.

    @continuumphotography:  +1 This as well.  It’s possible the photographer isn’t protecting against misuse from the customer, but from FaceBook.

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