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Canadian Bees - Spring Election? Who Will You Vote For?

posted 1 year ago in The Lounge
  • poll: Who will you vote for?
    Conservatives : (9 votes)
    23 %
    Liberals : (18 votes)
    46 %
    NDP : (2 votes)
    5 %
    Bloc Quebecois : (1 votes)
    3 %
    Other : (1 votes)
    3 %
    Who Cares? : (1 votes)
    3 %
    Undecided : (7 votes)
    18 %
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    Lindsay05    August 21, 2010   Canada

    Seems we are heading to the polls for a federal election. Who is your choice? If there are any options I left out please let me know. Feel free to comment on your choice!

     
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    Lindsay05    August 21, 2010   Canada

    *bump*

     
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    sceeder    June 23, 2012  

    Hahaha, well my vote changes depending on what my potental MP has to say. I really don't decided though until after I hear the debates. 

     
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    smileyd    August 10, 2011   Dartmouth, NS

    I don't know, I moved ridings.

    I wish this didn't happen. I was waiting for after the wedding to get get my ID changed, but nowI have to get a new license to show my new address. I don't drive, so I didn't see the point in doing it twice in a 6 month period. Grrr

     
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    ceamoste    September 3, 2011  

    *sigh* I don't know - I always was conservative, but they have been such a let down lately :(

     
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    JenniBride    December 2011   Manitoba

    Normally I vote NDP but my riding has a new candidate and I met her once and thought she was pretty fake (I didn't know who she was at the time).     So, guess it is Liberal for me?

    Lately I feel like it is more about who I don't want to vote for, locally, provincially and federally, which is a bit off-putting.

     
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    RingPup    July 9, 2011  

    I don't know who the Conservative MP hopeful is for my area (new to the area!) but regardless of who he or she is, I am voting conservative.

    If Ignatieff thinks he's going to take a stab as our PM.....holy moly, shoot me!

    I don't mind Layton. But as wrong as this is, out of principle I want the conservatives back in (another minority) because it's BS we're going to the polls again is for likely the same result.

    What more can we expect from any other party leader that Harper can't do better without cutting corners/sacrificing things in other areas. I don't think anyone and be PM and not cheese people off, it just sucks parliament can be bounced around so much when in a minority,  but of course, in certain cases that can be a good thing, it just doesn't seem like the best thing to do right now.

     
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    MapleBecky    July 9, 2011   Canada

    I'm undecided.  I would have gone Liberal, but I can't say I am a huge fan of Ignatieff, or Harper for that matter.   I like Jack Layton, but know that NDP will never get a majority government.

    I'm so tired of having an election every time we turn around.  What a waste of money.

     
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    MissMollySue    August 27, 2011   P.E.I

    I've voted for the Green Party in the past couple of elections.  Guess some people would consider it throwing my vote away, but I've always been an idealist and I refuse to vote strategically.

    I'm tired of these pointless elections -- c'mon Canada.

     
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    julies1949      

    @smileyd: There is another alternative for ID , See this list(option 2) to see if you already have ID that will work for you.

    http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e

    If your FI has the required ID in option 1, he can vouch for you.

     

     
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    MapleBecky    July 9, 2011   Canada

    I did this compass thing from CBC.   http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/votecompass/

    It confirmed that I am way more Liberal than anything else.

     
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    PrairieGirl    August 26, 2011   Winnipeg, Canada

    Liberal!!

     
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    SapphireSun    July 9, 2010   Vancouver, BC

    I live in a riding where the Conservative party could run a bag of hammers and probably still win, so I'll have to see.

     
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    Lindsay05    August 21, 2010   Canada

    I am a true conservative, meaning I can take of myself and don't need anyone to determine how I run my life. Ignatieff is a slime ball. Layton seems so wimpy. It's politics though so there will always be slime balls and weasels! I would LOVE to see a conservative majority just because of what has happened.

     
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    JosefH    September 29, 2012   Chicago, Illinois

    For sure Conservatives; without a doubt in my mind!

    The oposition makes it quite clear they intend to form a coalition, which would include the Bloc Quebecois. I'd rather not have my country being run (in part) by a party determined to destroy the country by splitting Quebec off of it. NO THANK YOU! 

    The NDPs and Liberals are dead-set on spending spending spending. They will promise you the world, but try hide that yes they will have to raise your taxes to do so! They know very little on economics, which is very unfortunate in these tougher economic times. Harper has brought Canada through the recession better than most Western countries. People don't seem to care about this. The Liberals and NDP will erase the progress. 

    Our countries best interests are in NO way going to be looked after by any party other than the Conservatives. 

     
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    hypercrazy38    August 11, 2012  

    LIBERALS!

    Actually, the opposition has made is QUITE clear that they don't intend to form a coalition. And the funny thing is, Harper, in 2004, contemplated a coalition government with the Bloc and NDP There is a signed letter by Harper, Duceppe, and Layton asking the Governor General to consider a coalition government. (Hypocrite, much?)

    @JosephH: "The NDPs and Liberals are dead-set on spending spending spending" --You are joking right? The Conservatives want us to buy F-35s that are going to cost us 30 BILLION dollars. Not to mention the G20/G8 summits that cost us 1 BILLION dollars, for a fake lake. In a time of economic uncertainty! They haven't even told us what those mega-prisons would cost us. Do we need them? No. Canada's crime rate is going down.

    Do you know why we have made it through the recession? We survived this Market crash because of limitations Martin put on the banks while he was finance minister. The surplus that the Liberal Party left us clearly helped. Is Harper is going to lead us to financial security with jets and super jails?

    Further, Harper is a career politician who has done nothing outside politics while Ignatieff has been a renowned journalist in Afghanistan, author, lawyer, Harvard director, and Oxford professor. 

    This article is great, and it does a GREAT job outlining what has happened in the Harper regime. At a time when Arabs risk life and limb for political freedoms, Canadians seem largely apathetic about the erosion of their democracy.

    It's crazy how little attention all of these scandals are getting while the opposition parties are screaming and no one seems to be listening.

    Thoughts on the last article?

     

     
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    bebefly    October 22, 2011   Ottawa

    Our riding is actually Dalton McGuinty's (for you bees in Ontario who know who that is) brother.

    (And when provincial elections roll around it's Dalton's riding. Gag me.)

    Soooo.....to say he's had a stranglehold on this riding for the last decade is putting it mildly. Anybody I vote for feels wasted to me, but if it was actually 'fair' I'd say NDP. Or Liberal.....eeeeeeeeh. Maybe.

    And I will say this, and then shut my trap, but: it seems as though some people in this thread are listening to those attack ads Harper is so fond of running. Congratulations for proving me wrong! I didn't actually think those worked.

     
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    GreenDream    February 25, 2012   Toronto/Edmonton

    Grew up in Edmonton, the most conservative part of the country, and I've been living in Toronto, the lone hold out for Liberal voters in Ontario. I find it so difficult to take the journalism in either setting seriously. I wish I could vote for something that I truly cared about and affected me. I don't believe any candidate represents me. I put undecided.

     
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    MissShork    July 30, 2011   Canada

    NDP!!

    Out of curiosity, to all the people voting conservative, how do you justify voting in a party that was held in contempt for charges such as altering a signed document to deny an organization funding? I'm sorry, I tolerant NO shadiness in Canadian politics. Not as long as I can vote.

     
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    hypercrazy38    August 11, 2012  

    It's funny, everyone cared so much about the sponsorship scandal, but the Conservatives can do pretty much anything and avoid the same fate. We should give the Conservatives the same verdict we gave the liberals in light of that scandal.

    Laundry list of shadiness:

    1. Conservatives held in contempt of Parliament

    a. Bev Oda lied in Parliament, a cardinal sin of Westminster style democracy

    b. Conservatives held in contempt for withholding and misleading the House

    2. Integrity Commissioner failed to uphold even ONE of more than 200 whistle-blowing complaints. 

    a. kicked out of office due to public outcry, she was given $500,000 of taxpayers' money on the condition that she doesn't talk about it.

    3. A foreign service officer blew a whistle on the Cdn military handing over detainees to Afghan security forces, which was likely violation of international humanitarian law, and the government tried to  destroy him and refused to give documents to a parliamentary inquirty

    a. The Speaker reminded them that government Parliament controlled cabinet, not the other way around

    4. When opposition parties were close to agreeing on a coalition government, rather than face a vote of confidence, Harper talked the governor general into shutting down parliament for a month so he could shore up his own support. 

    5. Harper chose a governor general, who had previously drawn up terms of an inquirty commission that excluded the potentially most damaging parts of a scandal involving a former conservative prime minister

    6. Four conservatives have been charged with exceeding campaign spending limits in the 2006 election that put Harper in power. A minister used public office and material to pursue party political goals of courting ethnic vote banks for the conservatives

    7. Harper promised greater transparency and accountability BUT has silenced civil servants and diplomats, PUBLISHED guidelines on how to disrupt hostile parliamentary committees and supressed reseaerch that contradicts ideologically driven policy (like the data that show crime rates are falling)

    8. Civil society groups that criticze any government policy risk loss of funding and hostile takeovers.

    Source: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/canada-watches-its-democracy-erode/story-e6frg6ux-1226030310248

     
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    hypercrazy38    August 11, 2012  
     
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    MissShork    July 30, 2011   Canada

    @hypercrazy38: thanks. I think people need to take a good hard look at whats been  happening, before they say I'll vote for ____ no matter what.

     

     
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    hypercrazy38    August 11, 2012  

    I agree, the thing is, I wish the NDP-ers would also realize that the left vote is being split between them and the Liberals. If NDP voters threw their support behind the Liberals, the Liberals could win, which means no more sketchy Conservative government who is the laughingstock of the world. 

     
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    Miss Lilac    July 21, 2012  

    Liberal! Because I'm just THAT tired of looking at Stephen Harper's rug!

    Does he not realize it's time to bow out of his leadership position? How many votes of non-confidence will it take? Is he really that thick?

     

     
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    tranquility    August 20, 2011  

    @hypercrazy38: For this very reason I think I will be voting liberals for the first time. I always vote NDP but I am ashamed to say it is a wasted vote :(

     
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    MissShork    July 30, 2011   Canada

    @hypercrazy38: where I live NO ONE votes liberal, so i'm voting NDP. All the signs in my riding are either orange or blue. Plus I'm rather left wing. 

     
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    GreatCDNlady    August 10, 2011   Montreal

    I'm not for Liberals, but I know exactly who I DON'T want to see in power (Conservatives)

     
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    hypercrazy38    August 11, 2012  

    @tranquility: Yay! I'm not going to lie, I'm excited about Ignatieff. Conservative attack ads, spanning from two years ago, will not work on me!

    "It’s not that Ignatieff is much more available to the media and the public than Dion was. It’s that the way Ignatieff handles himself in an exposed situation—talking without text, taking lots of questions, including hostile ones—commands attention in a way Dion, or Paul Martin before him, just couldn’t muster."

    http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/04/01/the-campaign-trail-contrast-will-harper-adjust/

     

     
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    tranquility    August 20, 2011  

    @hypercrazy38: Do you mind sharing some more sites where someone like me who doesn't really know much about politics can get a grasp of the situation?

     
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    Miss Lilac    July 21, 2012  

    @hypercrazy38: Lol, the fact that they are still running the exact same attack ads is actually outrageously funny. It's been two years and they can't find anything else on him? Haha, give me a break.

     
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    PrairieGirl    August 26, 2011   Winnipeg, Canada

    Are you guys all seeing Liberal ads running on Wedding bee? I wonder if American politicians run ads on here.

    I'm really excited about this election. I think it's going to be very fast-paced and interesting. And I'm really hoping for a Liberal win!

     
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    hypercrazy38    August 11, 2012  

    @tranquility: Hey tranquility, 

    Globe and Mail is great; The Star is good Macleans is a really good site too. I try to avoid National Post, because I find them more biased than the other sites (they use misleading titles, for ex.)

    All these sites are updating every few hours on new information about the elections, and when you learn more, it's actually super fascinating. 

    You'll find crazy stuff like experts are saying that elections don't hurt the economy.

    You can find out more about Ignatieff here

    CBC news is fairly impartial

    I'm not paid by the Liberal gov, btw :)

     

     
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    hypercrazy38    August 11, 2012  

    i think this should be placed on the Canada board instead of the lounge :)

     
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    Bostonsmom    October 9, 2011   canada

    @hypercrazy38: just a quick question, you seem to know alot about this election stuff and I'm hopelessly lost. My dad is a hardcore conservative, and my FI works in the oil patch. He said that it wouldn't be good for the oil and gas business if the Liberals came into power. Do you know why that might be??

     
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    Nerdette       Toronto,ON

    Has anyone seen the Conservative ad on CBC where Stephen Harper starts off talking about his 'steady hand' through the recession, then goes on about cutting federal taxes (aka contributing to the surplus) then randomly goes right into being against human smuggling? It is the most bizarre thing, my dad and I actually burst out laughing because we thought it was a gag from this hour has 22 minutes then realized it was completely serious.

    The commercial itself makes no sense, why on earth he would focus on human smuggling in the midst of tax cuts and economic recovery is beyond me!

     
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    hypercrazy38    August 11, 2012  

    @Bostonsmom: Hey Bostonmom,

    Honestly, that's a misconception that Liberals wouldn't be good for the oil and gas business. In fact, my fiancee went to hear Ignatieff speak, and he said that we need to pitch Canada's oil sands as an ethical alternative to funding the blood in Middle Eastern oil. There's also concerns that some of these oil companies might get money back to terroist organizations. Liberals are definitely in support of the oil industry -it's one of our most lucrative. :)

     
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    hypercrazy38    August 11, 2012  

    I just realized -it's the NDP/Layton who don't like the oil sands -not the Liberals

     

     
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    egb    January 2010  

    @Nerdette: This is because in the past year, human smuggling activities have raised really high. The phenomenon always existed, but at smaller scale, but we're now getting vessels with hundreds of people at the time. One with 76 people in 2009, one with 492 people in 2010, and more coming.

    They come from places where terrorist groups have strong influence, and while many on the vessels are actual refugees and would probably need help, the people that they have paid a large amount to organize the trip and to which they still owe large amounts, thus have control over, are part of large criminal organizations that make money and gain power with human smuggling. It is a very difficult task to tackle, finding the right balance between refugee protection and combatting human smuggling rings.

    BUT, that add you saw doesn't make sense with all those topics presented in 30 seconds!

     
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    hypercrazy38    August 11, 2012  

    Rick Mercer is writing for Macleans during the elections, and he's a surprisingly good writer! and it's funny! i thought you guys would like it

    http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/04/04/mr-harper-are-you-on-your-meds/

    "I like elections. Governments don't just fall every day, but I understand why some people feel that they do. Three elections in five years is a lot. I have baking soda in the fridge that is older than the Harper government, and I still have Tabasco from the Paul Martin era.

    But elections are important. We all know that $300 million is a lot of money...but this is a democracy and this is the cost of doing business"

    BUT did you guys hear about the latest scandal? Conservative senators, on the order of Tony Clement, stalled a bill that could've saved millions of African lives -in the next year or two, not just in the future. The House of Commons passed it, and it went to the Senate. The Senate adjourned it every day from Monday to Friday until Parliament fell...

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/second-reading/gerald-caplan/how-can-conservative-senators-look-at-themselves-in-the-mirror/article1967459/page1/

     
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    Nerdette       Toronto,ON

    @egb: I completely understand why he has a tough stance on human smuggling. I think it is atrocious that evil corrupt people take total life savings of people desperate to leave their home countries and enter them illegally into Canada.

    The point I was making is that the commercial itself is terrible, and makes next to no sense.

     

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