Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself but my temp dropped yesterday and today so it looks like AF is going to show up momentarily :(
Looking at my chart it looks like I have an 8 day (or 9 day if AF comes tomorrow) luteal phase which I understand to be short? Hopefully next month my LP will be longer. Has anyone gotten pregnant with such a short phase?
@FauxBoho: I don't have a short luteal phase but I do know other bee's have it and have gotten pregnant. ChuckNorris is really good about remembering who has what :) I don't have that knack.
There are things you can do if it is a short luteal phase, some of the ladies take B6 or BComplex to help lengthen their LP (entire cycle). I believe there are other things you can take as well such as Vitex, and even acupuncture is suppose to help.
I was a short LP bee at first. Started taking B6 (most take a complex but I was already taking B12 seperately so a complex would have been overkill). I got my LP to a normal length (13-14 days) throughout the 4 months or so that I charted before TTC. When we did start TTC, we got pregnant our first cycle.
I think a B complex can really help, but it doesn't work for everyone. Give it a whirl and see what happens, but it may take a few cycles to regulate you.
@MrsSawyer: this sounds promising. So take vitamin B6 & B12 and hopefully over the next few months I will extend my LP.
Would someone mind having a look at my chart - am I reading it correctly?
@FauxBoho: When I temped orally, I would have a few temps drop below my coverline. After I have switched to vagine-er, they are all staying above.
Only time will tell if this is AF or not, but you said you felt like it was coming on? Temp can drops for numerous reasons, implantation, AF approaching, erractic temps, etc...
That's why we say it's never over till it's over! (AF comes)
@MrsJuneBee: I am temping vagine-er which I find much more reliable :)
I definitely feel AF coming on, I have all sorts of cramps today. It's ok, I'm not actively trying to get pregnant right now but I am temping and charting for the first time. I'm concerned about a short luteal phase as I had a couple miscarriages when I was younger. I am just charting in preperation to start trying, I want to be armed with as much information as possible if it turns out I have trouble getting pregnant and need to see a specialist. I am nothing if not prepared
I was a short LP bee as well. I was at 8-10 days for several cycles (I think 3 or 4 in a row) and really started to worry about it. But then I got my BFP the next cycle. My guess is that my first "normal LP" cycle and we got pregnant - because cycles really do tend to vary each month. PLUS - just feel good that your TWW is that much shorter! (ok, not really true, because it still took me until 13 DPO to get the BFP)
I think what you're doing now is right, keeping track of your cycle, seeing what happens. That way when you are ready to go, you can have a long cycle history to show your doctor if you need to. That said, consider me a short LP success story.
I say watch and wait and see what happens for a while. I would (personally) hold off on taking anything until you talk to at least your GP if not your OB/GYN just in case the vitamins have any side effects. But I do know that some women have had success with the B vitamins mentioned above.
I have a short luteal phase (so FF tells me) but I have a short cycle. I have a 24 day cycle, I usually O on day 15 or 16.
@FauxBoho: I completely understand and am right there with you!! It could be implantation, the low temps and cramping! Unless you are using some sort of protection still!
@FauxBoho: Is it possible you actually ovulated earlier? Like on CD16? I'm only asking because it looks like you have a pretty good temp shift on CD17, and I'd guess FF would've given you crosshairs except for that one weirdly high temp on CD11. What happened that day? Doesn't a white circle usually mean disturbed? Anyway, if you did ovulate on CD16, then you would have at least an 11 day LP, which is plenty long enough. Is this your first cycle charting your temps? If not, what is your usual LP?
@twofortheshow: has a good point!
@twofortheshow: Damn Halloween!! I went out and had waaaay too many drinks so that is the reason for the temp spike. I also temped later in the day as I slept in. I was going to just not chart that day but I figured it was a good way to reference time. Perhaps I should just delete it?
OK so I think you may be onto something. I changed from orally temping to vag temping on CD21. The spike on CD17 may well have indicated O but changing my method of charting messed it up so Fertility Friend didn't pick up on it. I realized I breath through my mouth during the night so my temp was sometimes much lower. Since temping vaginally my temp has been much more steady & reliable.
As you said, if I did O on CD17 then my luteal phase would be at least 11 days which is much better than 9 days!
I know I wont know for sure until I have tracked another couple months (and AF arrives for sure this month) but you have helped set my mind at ease (again!)
@MrsJuneBee: We are currently using protection so if I was pregnant it would be a big surprise!
Ok hold the phone! I just discarded the Halloween Drink-a-thon temp spike and it changed my O!! Yay!! Check it out - now I have at least 11 days LP!!
Happy dance! Thanks Ladies
@FauxBoho: So I am seeing a couple things...
1) The drinking can raise temps a bit, I don't think you need to delete the temp but you can click to discard it (right next to where you enter your temp on AF) That way it is still there but FF doesn't take it into consideration.
2) Changing your method or even your thermometer during a cycle can totally throw off your results :) So your right FF is probably a bit confused because of that.
This is all in the learning process, I am 4 months TTC now and just finally seeing what is regular and normal..although an issue here and there gets thrown in, of course! :)
@FauxBoho: See that helps! My first month was a mess, your doing much better than I did...probably even 2nd month haha!
I agree with the two points MrsJuneBee just made. Anyways, happy I could help you with your faux short LP!
@twofortheshow: If only all short LP were that easy to fix!
I'm now really worried, I wasn't aware until today that a short LP is bad. I've always had a short cycle of 24 days. If I am lucky to O on Day 15 then I only have a 9 day LP. I'm totally panicking now :(
@Lyndzo: don't panick! how do you know for sure that you O on CD15? Is it possible that it is Earlier? If I were you, I'd begin to take a b complex with 50 mg of B6 and see if that helps. There is also things like progesterone cream you can apply after O but I'd be hesitant to start that until you've tried the b complex. Things like vitex for fertilaid can also help :) the great thing about luteal phase problems is that they are fixable!! :)
@FauxBoho: I wouldn't put too much in your first chart. The first 1-3 charts seem to always make people freak out about something, and often they resolve on their own with charting more. Either way I agree that cd16 is most logical for your O date and that as long as AF doesn't come, your LP is is till Going. Maybe she'll stay away 2 more days for a 13 day LP :) even if it is too short, easily treated with home remedies and/or oral progesterone. I have an LPD and for the first time since getting an accurate thermomeyer, my temp has sustained and even BROKE 98!!! Whooooo!! Thank god for progesterone supplementation!!!!! GL with everything :)
@Lyndzo: Sorry honey. I only realized this recently too. I understand that having a short luteal phase (under 10 or 11 days) means the egg has a hard time implanting. I believe there are ways to extend but other Bees will know more about it than I do.
@nonimouse12: No kidding! I usually have a 12 day LP, which is long enough, but I almost always start spotting on 9DPO, so I'm constantly worred about it. I tried taking B6, and it hasn't done anything. Next up is B complex!
@Lyndzo: Please don't be worried! ChuckNorris made some really great points. Are you charting to confirm ovulation on CD14? It's common for women to ovulate before or after the "normal" day 14. For example, I usually ovulate around CD19. You can still have a perfectly long enough LP with a shorter-than-average cycle. If you're not charting, I highly recommend it so you can see what's going on with your cycle. If you are charting, and you know you have a short LP, there are several ways to treat it.
@Lyndzo: I am with @twofortheshow: , I usually O on CD12 but have O'd on CD10 and CD15.
As @ChuckNorris: stated, this is fixable. I spot prior to AF arriving, which isn't good either and I started B6 this month so we will see how it goes. Just make sure to not take to much, because getting to much B6 can be toxic. I take 100mg per day and I believe you don't want to go higher than that. ChuckNorris may know more, who am I kidding, she knows everything :)
@twofortheshow: my LP is similar to yours, 11 or 12 days. I don't usually spot, but my temp drops a day or two before my period. I've been on b6 for a month now and I just got progesterone cream to try. We'll see if I can lengthen things just a little bit! Good luck with your cycle!
@MrsJuneBee: I heart you, miss lady, cycle twin and just awesome person ;)))
b6 is toxic at levels >100 mg, can cause birth defects if you take more (live strong has info on that...on phone, cant link to it). That's why I say take 50 mg of straight B6 in addition to a b complex, because all the other b vitamins help b6 absorb, and you're still way under the <100 recommendation, but you're getting more b6 than in just a b complex (mine has like 3 mg in it, it's a joke lol). Ideally I'd like to find a b complex that has a "normal" amount of all b vitamins with at least 50 mg of b6. Lol. I'm on prescription Meds now so when I run out, if no BFP and I get released from my RE, ill look for one of those :)
@twofortheshow: Yes I am charting. I don't spot or anything before AF, she just comes on CD 25. I always have a light flow, always have. I've been taking vitamins but I guess I need to up my B6.
@ChuckNorris: Awww thank you!!!
Do you think the 100mg is to much?
@MrsJuneBee: Nope! I just wouldn't add a B complex on that, you know? How much B6 is in your prenatal/multivit?
@ChuckNorris: Good question, I just checked online 2.5 mg, I should probably tone it down a notch and maybe do what you are!
Well, I'm sure taking 102.5 vs 100 won't affect you that much!! Let me know what you decide!! I hope it helps your spotting this cycle!
I have a short luteal phase, averaging 9 days. At 11 days, you're doing pretty well. I tried B-50 complex for a few cycles but my LP remained short. I was taking it every 1-2 days before O and every 2-3 days after O. Actually, I started out taking it before I was even totally sure of my LP length, but I had suspicions. I went off the B last cycle and my LP was 10 days, so not importantly different, maybe slightly better than average. I think I might stay off. Or who knows, maybe in a cycle or two I might try again going full throttle. But I thought it was important to learn at least what my real cycle is like without adding stuff to it. Trying to self-medicate without even knowing what's going on seemed like something I needed to pull back on.
my LP is usually 11 days. It went to 15 days last cycle and I got excited, then got a really heavy period. I'm guessing there was implantation but low progesterone caused me to lose it - chemical pregnancy.
I'm going to try B complex vitamins starting now. Day 7 of this cycle. Hopefully it helps!
Well AF arrived this morning confirming my 11 day LP in a 27 day cycle. I normally have a 28 - 30 day cycle so fingers crossed next month my LP is a few days longer!
Sorry to hear about AF, but you are getting all this good information under your belt! you will be a professional!
@FauxBoho: sorry about AF :( It's always such a bummer when she shows up. After a couple of months, you'll be able to see a pattern in your LP length. Everything can be a little wonky in the beginning, especially if you're just coming of birth control (not sure if you are). *Usually* your LP length will stay the same, give or take a day or two. Mine is almost always 12 days, but I have had a couple 11-day ones. Anyway, if you truly do have a 28-30 day cycle and an 11-day LP, it's likely you just ovulated earlier than normal this month. Regardless, your LP sounds like it's perfectly fine, and I wish you the best luck with TTC!
@FauxBoho: Just wanted to let you know my first cycle was 11 day LP and second cycle I started taking B-100 complex (had 100mg B6) through my cycle and second cycle I went to 14 day LP.
@twofortheshow: It's cool. I'm actually not trying to get pg right now, I'm just preparing for it by arming myself with knowledge.
@MrsPuddingface: good to know there is a possibility of naturally extending my cycle :) I'm going to see what happens this month then if it's only 11 days again I will start on the B-100
Bumping this...ladies who have taken/take B-50 or B-100 complex...do you take it every day of your cycle, or just at certain times? (like before O, or after O, etc...)
@doxielove: I took it all cycle long. =)
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