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Traditionially where I am from , people are more inclined to give money as a gift rather than an actually present.
Most of the time the monetary gifts will pay for the bulk of the wedding ( IE the reception itself). Now etiquette stats ( and I use the term etiquette loosely…this is just what Ive been brought up with)… that you cover your meal and then some… so meals at receptions here are anywhere between 100$ -130$ a person…so if I were to attend a wedding the B&G would be getting aprox 250$ from the FI and I.
Certain members of my family are cheap… not only will they not give me dime, but they will probably gossip about us for making a “big deal” about our wedding.
I have about a dozen people that I just don’t expect to give us a gift… So this means we might be out of pocket a few thousand to pay for the wedding reception ouselves( which is fine we have the cash) …its just a little depressing.
My questions was … have any of you been surprised by the generosity of other guests that made up for the cheap ones? Should my FI and I keep hope that we might be pleasently surprised?
I would just pay and then if they do give you cash, use it for something fun!
I'm not married, so I can't speak to your question about generosity. I mean, I'm sure there is a possibility that some guest will come out of nowhere with a huge cash gift.
I'd just like to add that I think it is dangerous thinking to depend on guest gifts to cover your reception costs.
Granted, I don't come from this sort of upbringing, so this seems really no-brainer to me: you pay for the wedding. Lots of couples put up thousands of dollars for their wedding reception. Maybe just me, but I think you should plan the wedding you can afford whether or not you get money from your guests.
I agree with texaslawgirl - It's dangerous to bank on people covering the cost of your reception! I would just go with the idea that you'll probably end up paying for it.
If people at our wedding had to cover a meal, approximately the cost of $100-$130, only about 10 of our guests probably fit that bill. Most were definitely under $100. Not a big deal, but really, most of our gifts averaged $50.
Like ejs, our average was probably between $50 and $100. I definitely wouldn't expect your guests to be able to cover the cost of your wedding, especially in this economy. I think people are being more frugal now and are giving what they can.
I'm with @ejs.. very few of our guests gave an amount that would actually cover their meal. Some couples didn't even give us enough cash to cover one plate never mind two. A few of my parents friends went above and beyond and gave quite large cash gifts but that's about it. I personally try to follow the "cover your plate rule" but I don't expect others to. My guests shouldn't feel they have to give more than they are comfortable with or able to give just because we chose to have an expensive wedding.
You are going in with dangerous and unrealistic expectations and will end up very disappointed. Your logic covers all the wrong reasons why to do any of this. A gift is never required and no one should be made to feel guilty because they were not able to (or chose not to), nor should you or anyone else talk badly behind their backs to anyone. Everyone else in the world getting married has to pay for their own wedding and they don't mind it, and you should be no different. A wedding is not a requirement by any means so don't treat it like one. If you can't afford something without going into debt, *scale back*to what you can afford and are willing to part with. A wedding is also not a fundraiser of any kind. It is completely rude and out of line to call anyone cheap because they aren't willing or able to pay what you think they should.
For what it is worth, most people do not follow the "cover your plate" mentality. One of the main reasons is that there is no way whatsoever unless the guests have been given the bill and are planning the affair themselves that they would have even the slightest clue as to what anything costs. Nor are they expected or obligated under any circumstances at all to finance any part of it because the couple chooses to be greedy or cheap, etc. In addition, most people do not give cash gifts so you should never rely on the idea of receiving only those rather than tangible gifts.
Personally, I think it's rude to call people cheap because they won't cover the cost of the plate you chose to have be $100/person. People give what they can afford, and you invited them to share your special day with them, not for cash gifts.
The "cover your plate" mentality also seems to be very regional. You should plan what you can afford. I'm going into my wedding expecting no gifts.
You shouldn't rely on your guests to fund your wedding.
You don't have a wedding for the gifts, do you?
If you can only afford so much, then scale back.
I don't think it is right to say that someone is cheap because they didn't cover their plate. Think about it this way- say a couple was going to be guests at a wedding. Based on how close they were with the bride and groom and what they could afford at the moment, they decide to give a gift of $100. Now, if this couple attended my wedding, they would more than cover their plate, as our meals plus bar will be about $40 a person. However, if this couple attended your wedding, by your definition they would be cheap. How can the same gift, chosen for the same reasons be cheap in one instance and generous in the other?
The guests have no say in how much the bride and groom spend on each meal, and unless the bride and groom are being rather indiscreet by going around and telling everyone how much their reception costs, the guests really have no way of knowing. Therefore it is not logical to judge a guest's action based on the standard of something they cannot control and likely have no knowledge of.
From the way you described it, it sounds like your extended family is used to more modest weddings. I can understand that. I can honestly say I have never been to a wedding where the meal cost more than $50 a person, much less $100-$130. So your assumption that this is a commonly known cost is probably inaccurate. I really don't think you can judge your relatives so harshly when they are simply operating of of the assumptions they have. I can't speak to whether or not they will have an attitude at your wedding because I don't know them. However if they have sensed that you look down on them for more modest weddings or that you consider them to be cheap, I can see why they would feel self conscious and out of place at a more extravagant affair. So their gossip, while rude, may be their way of coping with that discomfort.
You are perfectly welcome to have any type of wedding you want and to spend as much as you want. I'm not judging you for that- I hope you have a beautiful day. However you can't reasonably expect that everyone else you know will be accustomed to that type of wedding, and it isn't right for you to judge them because they are used to something different.
We got some really meager gifts ($20) but then we got some outrageously generous ones, too. The cash and checks we received did end up covering nearly the entire wedding.
I was only annoyed by the uninvited crasher that showed up giftless, and the huge family who wrote in an additional guest, making their headcount 8, who only gave $100.
I think that your guests will surprise you on both ends of the spectrum. Some guests will give very generously, but that will be a very, very small number. And then, some of your guests will give a very modest gift, or none at all.
Thats what happened to us, and our generous gifts couldn't make up for the smaller gifts. Not even close. I think you need to err on the side of caution and scale back your budget so that you are more comfortable in case you do pay for most of your wedding. If it makes you and your FI depressed at the thought of actually paying for it all, then that should be a red flag telling you that you guys are spending more then you are comfortable with.
$100 a meal!!?? That is just for the food? Wow. I wouldn't shell that out if I was having to count on the guests to pay me back for it...
I think I am from a much different background, but we are paying maybe $50 per meal. Not including favors and stuff...but this is my gift to my family to say thank you for bringing us up to be lovely people who want to spend our lives loving eachother.
I don't expect my gifts to come close to paying for the wedding.
As the pps said, I think it is very dangerous to depend on guests paying for your reception. I would expect to be footing most of the bill and then be pleasantly surprised if it ends up that their gifts 'pay you back.' If you can't afford to pay for the wedding you've planned without gifts, I would consider scaling back. That being said, to address your question, my husband and I are from different regions of the country and a wedding in our area costs considerably more that one where his family is from. I don't know if our guests took into account price per plate, but most of the gifts from guests from his side wouldn't have come close to covering it but all of the gifts from the guests from my side did and moreso. I think if you have an average to large size wedding it is safe to bet that some people will be very generous, but you just never know.
I think that some of you that have commented need to gain perspective that where's she is from, this is the norm, so it's not "unknown" that the "standard" in MTL is that you cover your plate and them some. I'm sure most people in the world understand that sometimes that's not feasible and she has said she has the money to cover the plates, she's just curious who has been surprised.
ForeverYoung: It's the same thing here...remember that although some of your family members may not be able to give you enough to cover the plates, but they are there for you on your big day and people MAY surprise you. I know for me I go by the same rule...and for most friends' weddings we go to we give over and above that - $300-400, higher on the spectrum if we are in the wedding party (we really only go to the weddings of those friends we actually give a damn about and would do anything for). I know when my sister got married her hubby's family really didn't have much to give, but our side was beyond generous.
It doesn't matter if they gossip, they're just jealous of your happiness!! Enjoy your day, party your butt off and remember they are there to celebrate your happiness with you :)
Yea this is definitely not the rule around here. I am 100% sure we will not "make back" what we spend on our wedding. In fact, I'm not taking into consideration any gifts we might get. I assume that every dime spent is gone forever. Considering the economy and such, I would be really surprised if we got $250 from any couple.
I don't think it's wrong to HOPE that guests give you generous gifts, but it is wrong to expect that, and be angry if they don't, or expect generous gifts because that's the only way you can afford your wedding.
thank you to those who read the post properly.
We have the money to pay for our reception. If everyone decides to name a star after us instead of giving a physical gift, then fine... we can pay for our reception.
I also now feel like I need to justify to you all as to what we are getting for our 100$ a plate... but I wont. Thats just what it costs around here.
My ill feelings towards my realtives should have been kept to myself obviously...They are just mean spirited people who will just opt to not give us a present because they dont want to... I am inviting these people because if I dont i will cause a familly feued so big that i will not hear the end of it for the rest of my days....so lets just put that out there.
All I really wanted to know was more the ratio between actually physical gifts or montary gifts or nothing at all......this was really morbid curiosity...thanks those who actually answered THAT questions.
I take serious offence to some of the coments made here... this is supposed to be a place where we are able to speak our mind... Im sorry if you dont agree... and thats fine... you are allowed to not agree....feedback is the point... but I REGRET writing this post...
If anyone of you know how to delete posts...please let me know...
I would say if this were actually such a strong tradition then she wouldn't have to worry about all the supposed "cheap-o-s" because that would leave very little for them to cover (even if a few didn't follow it). So I am inclined to think this is not as popular as you think it is. I do not understand the idea that guests are not only supposed to cover the cost of the event (which is as expensive as the bride and groom choose it to be), but start you off with a little something. Perhaps they do follow that tradition but think, man that is a bit much.
If these people you have invited bother you this much, they should not have been invited. If someone doesn't like it, too bad. But at this stage, you have made your bed and have to deal with it the best you can.
There is no way to predict what the ratio of cash gifts to tangible gifts is unless you can go into the future to see what exactly you will be getting. Every guest list is different, even in the same town, and each individual or family has their own financial situation and their own way of doing things based on how they were raised. There is nothing you can do to change that and it doesn't benefit anyone to get upset over it because you don't like it.
Also, traditions fall into two basic categories. The first being related to whatever region you are located in or what is customary in your families and social circles. The second is "let's invent something just because and say it is traditional so that we can get away with doing it". If this was actually the former, then your guests would be familiar with it. But a large number of so-called "traditions" are not traditions at all, and this sounds like something that fits more into the latter category.
@ForeverYoung: I don't think anyone was trying to offend or upset you. It wasn't totally clear in your original post whether or not you needed the gifts to pay for the wedding. I think most people were just trying to say that you may be surprised in both directions, some people will give less than you expect and some will give more. If you already have a feeling that there are a certain amount of people who won't give gifts at all, then I'm sure then extra generous guests will even it out.
You should never expect monetary gifts to cover the expense of the wedding. If you do, you are going to be in big trouble when it comes time to pay for the wedding. My wedding cost about $25,000 for 110 people. We recieved about $850 in cash for gifts. Could I ever have thrown a wedding reception for 110 people for $850? No way, not unless it was a potluck and everyone was bringing their own food.
Forever Young - I am sorry for your negative feedback!
If you would like to delete your post I think you can flag your OP by pressing the "flag" button underneath and ask for it to be deleted!
And to answer your OP - I think people will go both ways - some will be generous and some won't. But I think the low end gifts will probably dominate the generous ones.
I think most of you are being way too harsh... maybe where YOU'RE from, you don't get a lot of cash gifts or understand this concept, but I know exactly what the OP is saying, because it's the same thing in my area. And she even explained this, to avoid these types of judgemental comments.
Plates DO cost $100 + up there, good luck finding something cheaper that is nice.
To answer the OP's question, there probably will be people that give really generously that make up for the others that don't. In my family, it's not uncommon to get $400 from a couple... I think a lot depends on what your parents have done for others' weddings, and generally people reciprocate.
I do understand where you're coming from about gossiping and thinking things are unnecessary, but all I can say is that you can't please everyone. No matter what you choose for your wedding, people will either comment that its too cheap or too much, do what makes YOU happy and wont send you broke lol. You really can't avoid those types of opinions no matter what you do, but just stick up for what you want, there's nothing wrong with wanting a nice wedding if you can afford to do so.
I never heard of covering the plate until I came on this board. My standard wedding gift is $50 because I run an animal sanctuary and extra flow is scarce. Guests should be invited because you want them to share in the joy of your wedding, not cover the cost of it. At our wedding, we specifically requested NO GIFTS because we have too much crap already but some people gave us gifts anyway. Money gifts ranged from $25 to $5000, and some people gave us a card only. If the cost of the wedding is depressing, maybe you could look over everything and see if there are some things you could cut.
@ Forever young, please don't let other posters bother you too much. You are absolutely right that you should feel safe to vent on these boards. As for your OP, I AGREE WITH YOU ! It's the reason, among many, that I canceled my medium sized hall venue and drastically cut the wedding list !!! . PM me if you want ! HUGS !
I didn't get the impression you wanted to know the ratio of cash gifts to actual gifts. But here it is:
We definitely got more cash gifts, however, the total cash was under $3,000. So it was not a ton by any means. DH's grandparents generously gave us $1,000, as they do for all the grandkids
We got more gift cards, though. FOR SURE. People got us Lowes cards (maybe $700 worth?). Yay!
I got gifts at the showers, though. We had 125 people at our wedding
Only one person got us nothing but it's A-OK because he's a really good friend and I know he is very broke, and I didn't even think twice of it.
If that is the norm where you are from, then I can see the frustrations you would have from relatives not giving the standard gift. I've heard of that being done, but unfortunately it is not something I do. Considering all the weddings I get invited to lately, and the average cost is $100ish per plate, there is no way I could afford to gift $200. I just don't have the funds to spend $1k-2k per year on weddings (going off of how many weddings I get invited to these days). Maybe your family members are in a similar situation.
And I voted "get out the checkbook." To me, each gift I got was generous. I wasn't expecting to get a lot in monetary funds. And honestly I didn't give a thought to who might be cheap/generous.
I think it was QUITE clear from the OP that she is not looking for criticism on the local etiquette (i.e. all guests TRADITIONALLY cover their plates). She is looking for feedback from NEWLYWEDS on what gifts they received and whether or not they were surprised by any generosity.
Let's please not turn this into yet another "you shouldn't expect people to cover their plates" post. Keep it on topic please!
On that note, we were surprised at our wedding by a couple large monetary gifts, and also from people who didn't even attend. We were also surprised by a couple of crashers and a couple people who didn't even bring a card...
I would hold out hope that some may be generous. It won't cover your mean relatives, but it will help a bit. And maybe you could at least seat those relatives in the back or something. I would keep those people far away from me!
My sister got married and most guests were from Texs. Gifts averaged $25-75 at the shower and she got very few gifts at the wedding. I would say $25-75 per couple is average and she got a lot of physical gifts, not gift cards or cash. Most cash was from family and between $50-500. Hope this helps!
I know I wrote a post the other day and everyone except one person jumped down my throat, I guess this WB is not as nice as I thought.
I know exactly what you mean about assuming people will pay for their plate. With that said in my area a normal plate costs are about $50. If the norm in your area is $100 then yes I would assume the same. But remember no one really knows how much you spent unless they have planned an event at the same venue. =-)
I think the monetary gifts depend on whom you invite. If you have a lot of younger guests they probably will not be as generous as older guests or family. (I understand your family is an exception). My 26-year-old brother invited majority friends and less family where I (23) am inviting A LOT more family, I in turn assume I will more generous gifts.
Don’t let the downers get to you!! I think everyone is crabby!! I feel like everyone read one part of my last post and then jumped on the band wagon to verbally beat me up. PLEASE PLEASE don’t let them get to you!! =-D
Thanks again to those who are understanding my post and answering my Curious...only CURIOUS question... I aplogize to those who are obviously personally offended by my post...
I obviously did not explain myself properly in my OP.... but if you have any constructive comments to make...please go ahead...i do appreciate it... but I am trying to get this post deleted
As this post does not contain anything of a private nature, we are unable to delete it. However, I hope that some brides will come on to give you some helpful feedback from their weddings!
@ForeverYoung: For what it's worth, some of our relatives gave us ridiculous amounts of $$ (think thousands), and other gave anywhere from $50-$500. Our cost per plate was about $125, so some people covered their plates (and then some)... and others didn't even come close... no biggie. We got way more money than we thought we would (going towards our first house)! :)
I did not read your post that way either. I'm sorry if I offended you, it just seemed like a gift grab and a mess waiting to happen if you were in fact depending on your guests. I saw it as the posts you read where family promises you $X amount and then never forks it over. Leaves the B&G up a creek without a paddle.
We invited about 200 people, 75 showed and we got maybe $800 worth of gifts ($700 was cash from my dad, his dad and his grandmother), the rest was gift and gift cards. What we received is no way comparable to what we spent.
I second what Europomme said. I read the original post properly and understand what the OP is talking about. Depending on what area you are from, YES, $100 per person IS considered reasonable. FI and I are paying for our wedding ourselves, and yes we ARE paying that much per person- and that is actually is considered a "budget" wedding here! And no, I didn't grow up having money- my parents are working middle class, and I was still always taught that you should "cover your plate," so I do understand where the OP is coming from. Just because other people don't live where she lives, or weren't raised the same way, is no need to attack her for asking a question. I don't think the OP was saying that she was depending on her guests to pay for her reception. While I don't agree with her choice of words, i.e., calling her guests "cheap," I think she was just asking if people were surprised by generosity. Perhaps she could have worded it better, but *some* of these comments are beyond harsh.
To the OP- I understand where you are really coming from, and all I can say to you is that you should go into this with no expectations as far as gifts. You will never be able to recoup what you will spend on your wedding. I always give nice gifts in general, but I never expect it in return. I want everyone to come to our wedding and have a great time. If we end up getting some nice gifts- great, but if people just come and have fun, then that's all that really matters. If your mean relatives gossip about you as a way to make themselves feel better, let that be their problem, not yours. Enjoy your day! :)
I guess I don't understand what you are looking for when you say "constructive". Some people (mistakenly) thought you were intending to rely on gifts to fund the wedding, and they were trying to be constructive by advising you that this was not the best plan, because none of them received the cost of their reception back in gifts. Once people saw your clarification, they stopped telling you that.
I, and some others, were attempting to show you another perspective so that maybe you could understand where your family was coming from, or so that you would not be hurt if some of your guests did not gift in the manner you were expecting. I think it would be very sad, for instance, to see you and a friend have a cooling in your relationship because neither one of you understood the other's mentality about gift giving, and so I thought showing you how the other side thinks was constructive. While you may think that it is traditional for guests to cover their plates, it is possible that some of your guests do not come from that tradition, and so it is also constructive to try to understand why a gift of a lower amount might not be the guest being cheap, but might be because that guest was operating under a different set of traditions and ideas. I wasn't trying to criticize you with my post, and I apologize if you read it that way. I was simply trying to offer you a more positive reading of certain guest's actions, which I thought was a constructive thing.
So in all, I guess I'm not really sure what you are looking for here. The overall sentiment seems to be that you will not make as much as you spend, that some guests will surprise you with their generosity and others won't, and that there is a great diversity of thinking about gift giving. It is probably best not to assume that people who don't cover their plate are doing so to be mean or cheap, but rather that it is possible that they just have a different perspective on gifts than you do. I think these are all constructive and helpful answers to your question, as I understood it.
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