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    Moja Milosc    September 24, 2011  

    Sorry if this is a common topic but I've been hearing about cosleeping a lot and I'm not really sure what it is all about. What are the benefits? I feel like it would be so much easier to have the baby right there next to me while breastfeeding, and from what I've heard it's pretty common in other countries. But I'm hearing it's really unsafe.

    Does anyone cosleep? Most likely I would get a bassinet that extends on the side of the bed, but is that safe? I saw these ads and now I'm all freaked out!

    Co sleeping :  wedding 42 Co Sleeping Dangers

     

     
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    PitBulLover    August 21, 2010  

    My SIL cosleeps with all 3 of her kids....well has coslept I should say. I havent heard that its dangerous. Ive actually heard its safer because you are right next to the baby and can know if theyre breathing properly or not. I would go to Hellobee.com as well because I'm sure there's a bunch of posts/info about cosleeping over there. I think you should do what feels right for you and your family.

     
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    MrsMeNow    September 18, 2010   Wisconsin

    I am from WI and the Milwaukee area has a very high number of infant deaths due to co sleeping. Around Christmas time they had 3 in a 17 day span. The ads they used were very dramatic, but they needed to do something so they started this huge push to educate everyone on the dangers of co-sleeping.

    I personally have never done it. Have there been times where I dose of breastfeeding yes, but the dangers far out way any converience that come from it. We had a spot right next to the bed for a bassinet/moses basket so the girls could be right there, but yet still safe. It also made it less of an isue when they were older since they weren't use to sleeping with us.

     
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    SweetVanity    September 22, 2012  

    I think one of the dangers of co-slepping comes from the possibility of unknowingly smothering a small child while sleeping. I have a friend who's close with a couple where the father actually did this. He was not drunk or under any influence. He simply fell asleep with his infant daughter on his chest. He rolled over and she was trapped underneath him and suffocated. It's tragic, and it's a very real danger.

    I personally am not a fan of co-sleeping. I can certainly understand a bassinet next to the bed in the first few months. I did that myself. But past a certain age and developmental stage, I believe the best place for a child to sleep is in their own room and/or their own bed.  

     
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    cdncinnamongirl    October 2012   Ontario, Canada

    Well, that second picture is just plain ridiculous.  Co-sleeping is very common in many countries/cultures around the world but here in North American we tend to lean against it.  If you and/or your partner (sharing the bed) aren't: overweight, smokers, inebriated (alcohol or drugs).....then co-sleeping is relatively safe.  And if you're concerned, use one of the 3 sided attachments that join to the side of your bed but give the baby their own separate space.  Ultimately, you should do what you feel is best!

     
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    bells    June 26, 2011  

    I know many people swear by co-sleeping and say its totally safe or say they have done it for years. But I also know many people who have smoked for years and who claim smoking is totally safe since they havetn gotten ill from smoking. My point is there are many people who do risky things but dont suffer and consequences but that doesnt make their actions less risky.  I would just like to err on the side of caution and have my baby in a crib in my room instead of co sleeping on the same bed

     
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    Jenniphyr    February 2, 2013   Alberta, Canada

    I hate those ads. They prey on the caring nature of mothers to instill totally unfounded fear.

    Co-sleeping is practiced in many cultures, you're right; and as long as your practice it SAFELY here, it's fine. And your idea of a bassinet immediately next to your bed is actually RECOMMENDED here in Canada. The main concern comes into play when you have big fluffy duvets and such, and don't keep them away from the baby. As long as you don't smother them with quilts/pillows, it's fine. (And keep them on your side of the bed, not dad's.)

    ETA: Here are a couple articles about those ads: http://www.moxiebird.com/2011/11/babies-butcher-knives-hyperbole-in-anti-co-sleeping-campaign.htmlhttp://www.parenting.com/blogs/show-and-tell/melanie-parentingcom/milwaukee-co-sleeping-ad-outrages-parents-nationwide

     
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    UpstateCait    October 7, 2011   Upstate, NY

    I’m not a parent so I don’t have experience with this but when we do have kids, we will not co-sleep. A couple from my area lost their infant son after the mother rolled over on him while he was in some special co-sleeper thingamajig. I’m sure there are preventative measures but it’s just not worth it for me. Besides, it seems just as easy to have the baby in a bassinet (or whatever) next to the bed as it would be to have him/her in the bed. 

     
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    Jenniphyr    February 2, 2013   Alberta, Canada

    @UpstateCait: "it seems just as easy to have the baby in a bassinet (or whatever) next to the bed"

    That's what the OP said she wanted to do.

     
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    MarryMeTiffany    November 30, 2011   Illinois

    I don't like the idea of co sleeping for me personally I would be terrified that I would accidentely suffocate baby. With my now 3 year old I had a bassinet right next to my bad. It was still very convienent to breast feed. I just lifted him out of his bassinet it didn't require me to even get out of bed. At 4 months he was switched to his nursery with no problems.

     
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    MrsMeNow    September 18, 2010   Wisconsin

    @Jenniphyr: It is not an unfounded fear. As I said before that area has a higher then average infant mortalitly rate directly linked to co-sleeping. At the very least it got people talking about it and maybe thinking about having safer co-cleeping techniques.

     
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    Jenniphyr    February 2, 2013   Alberta, Canada

    @MrsMeNow: They present an unrealistic image of co-sleeping. No one who looks at those ads & feels fear actually intends to co-sleep with the baby on their stomach on a pillow, with sheets and a duvet wrapped around them.

    And according to the study that resulted in those ads, the majority was so slim (51.7% in beds vs. 48.3% in cribs) that it's laughable that they're pinning it all on co-sleeping. I don't see any ads making the comparison of crib bumpers to cleavers, even though they've been implicated in infant deaths time & time again.

     
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    Moja Milosc    September 24, 2011  

    Wow... lots of co sleeping horror stories... hmm

     
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    MrsMeNow    September 18, 2010   Wisconsin

    @Jenniphyr: When you have several deaths in one area in a short period of time  I am not sure what you think they should do. I know there aren't articles about this, but I live here and can tell you most of those families aren't co sleeping to be close to their infants it is because the can't afford a crib. There are people that of course co sleep successfuly and it is great for them, these ads aren't for those people that are educated on how to safely co sleep.

     
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    mandypop    September 15, 2012   BAHHHston

    Having a bassinet right next to your bed is safe, and they even make ones that attach to your bed so you really just need slide the baby in or out of it between nursing rather than needing to get out of your bed, or pick up the baby if there are worries about waking him/her. 

    I'm an SLP and have had 2 patients in Early Intervention due to anoxic brain injuries from co-sleeping.  The reason it works in say, Africa, and not here - is because of the type of bedding we use.  Squishy mattresses, lots of pillows, layers of sheets - all of these things can very easily end up covering a baby's face while Mom is sleeping.  Because infants don't "alert" as well as we do when they're not breathing (ie: sleep apnea episodes), they can actually go a dangerously long time before there is any hint that they're not breathing.

    It doesn't seem worth the risk to me when there is a very simple, very convenient alternative.

     

     
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    Jenniphyr    February 2, 2013   Alberta, Canada

    @MrsMeNow: WB ate my post; re-typing.

    If the issue is that people are uneduated with how to co-sleep safely, then maybe they should be posting information on how to co-sleep safely, rather than lumping it all into one category & saying that you're going to kill your baybeeee. My issue with the ads is not that they are trying to provide cribs for free (I think that that is admirable). My issue is that it is fear-mongering, plain and simple, and it presents an unrealistic image of what WHO considers to be a perfectly safe practice.

     
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    At the mothers group I go to I was very surprised that when a mom asked if other mothers lied when the pediatrician asked about co-sleeping.  All the moms, including me, said they co-slept at some point (whether from occassionally falling asleep to it being where the baby regularly slept) during the time when their kids were infants.

    Our baby slept in a swing next to our bed and now a crib next to our bed but since it's so prevelant I think it's important for everyone, no matter their intentions, to learn about safe co-sleeping.  I fell asleep sometimes in the morning next to baby when she was young and I was glad I'd read about it before hand to make sure we were on the safe side.  http://www.positivelybreastfeeding.ca/learn/Pantley/ChecklistforCo-Sleeping.htm

    I've seen a few articles about the Miluakee deaths and a lot of them involve interesting circumstances like drinking or putting a newborn on a mattress with several other children and no adult.  

    http://www.wisn.com/r/30126025/detail.html

     
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    miss-spunkin    May 29, 2010   Midwest

    @Moja Milosc: that ad angered and sickened me when it came out. I believe that if you co-sleep safely it's just as safe as a baby in a crib. You wouldn't surround your baby in the crib with a bunch of sheets, blankets, pillows and lay them on their stomach like the ads and nay-sayers suggest that you do!

    Dr. Sears and Dr. McKenna are famous doctors who advocate this practice and have released many rebuttals in response to the ad of how to effectively cosleep.

    One main rule is to make sure there are no pillows or blankets near baby's head. So make sure you wear a sweatshirt to bed or something warm, because if baby is next to you, you can't have the duvet up to your chin.

    Also, a LARGE number of supposed co-sleeping deaths come from parents using some sort of substance, but they never report that. Sleeping pills, smoking, any type of drug (even pain reliever) - you are not supposed to co-sleep! Or if you are extremely tired, opt for a bedside bassint instead. If you are obese, it is recommended not to co-sleep because of a higher risk of smothering baby.

    Also, fathers can present a big problem. They don't have the same maternal instinct that we do. So if you place the baby in the middle of the bed, fathers can roll over them and not realize it. But a mother would never do that if she is practicing attachment parenting techniques and breastfeeding, she is completely in tune with her baby. Dr. Sears says that co-sleeping gets mom and baby into a rhythm, they start to be on the same sleep pattern, breathing pattern. Breastfeeding becomes a lot easier and mothers often have to hardly wake up to feed because it will come so naturally.

    I generally don't advertise that I plan to cosleep because of these types of responses, but you should read up on it from doctors who advocate for it too, so that you're not hearing just the fear side of it. I think it's a beautiful thing and it makes sleeping a lot easier and more enjoyable (my sister co-sleeps, she keeps her son in the crook of her arm, and says that he sleeps 10-12 hours A NIGHT at only 4 mos old, waking 1-2x to nurse. How blissful does that sound!).

     

    Here is a good article from Dr. Sears about the Milwaukee ad. As a parent, no matter what parenting choices we make, we'll get grief about it from someone. You have to do what YOU feel is right for you and your child. Dr. Sears says that the best sleeping arrangment for your family is where everyone sleeps best. If that's in bed with you, great, if it's in a crib- that's fine too. 

     
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    flamingred    June 19, 2010  

    can't afford a crib?I don't know anyone who has a child and can't afford a crib. Sorry to be insensitive.

    So these people are not in a good financial situation. I'm going to go ahead and stereotype that if you are in that kind of financial crisis that you can't provide your child (that you had NINE MONTHS to plan for) a place to sleep, then you are probably uneducated on many topics regarding children and co-sleeping is probably one of them.

    yes, babies can be a suprise and I am not faulting anyone for that-but they don't arrive the day after you find out you are pregnant. Not having a crib ready, and choosing not to use one are two totally different things. It makes total sense that it is an issue of being uneducated and unprepared.

    EDIT-We purchased a floor model crib for 70% off. It just needed to be painted. there are ways to afford cribs. people make me so mad.

     
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    MrsMeNow    September 18, 2010   Wisconsin

    @miss-spunkin: I wish when you take your baby home from the hospital they would give the information you put from Dr. Sears (he has many great articles) to parents.So many people co-sleep and as many have posted when done safely it can be a great thing, but there are a lot of parents out there that don't have the correct information and it makes it very dangerous. I think it would be helpful to get it before the baby even gets home, just like you get all the back to sleep information.

     
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    MrsMeNow    September 18, 2010   Wisconsin

    @flamingred: Very sad, but very true.

     
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    brownieMomma    April 24, 2010  

    I have coslept with my infant in my bed. Our son is a very high needs infant (reflux, food allergies). We didn't want to do it but when that is the only way they will sleep u will do anything. He sleeps between me and the end of the bed. He nurses most of the night and we typically don't move. I wake when he gets restless. Moms know where there infants are if there is nothing in inhibit them (drugs, alcohol etc). He did roll off the bed and that was mostly the end
    Of that. If I was doing it all over again, I would only cosleep with a mattress on the floor and no sheets or blankets.

     
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    miss-spunkin    May 29, 2010   Midwest

    @flamingred: yeah that is a good point, sad but true. It's not hard to find a friend who is done having kids and wants to get rid of their crib too, and target has cribs for at little as $130 that obviously passed safety tests so they're just as good as the $400 ones. You'd just need to save $15/mo for nine months to afford that! Not that hard..

     

    @MrsMeNow: Oh my gosh I totally agree! I wish they focused on educating parents instead of scaring them :( Like some of the PP's said, it's inevitable that at least a couple times you fall asleep with your baby, it just happens! I did it all the time while I was a nanny, unintentionally. And it's sad that most of the deaths come from people under the influence of drugs, obese fathers and other risk-factors that then give those of us who DO co-sleep safely a really bad rep! Like we're trying to purposely kill our babies is how people treat us and that is not right. 

    Sorry for me rant :-/ I have strong feelings on this. 

    Parents should be able to sleep how they want SAFELY without any discrimination from other people.

     
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    Cash000    December 2, 2011   Canada

    Well I'll be completely honest here. We co sleep. We have since my little one was about 2 mos old. We had him in a basinet for the first couple months, and then switched him to the crib. But he learned to roll over very early on, and he would always roll onto his tummy, and it terrified me. He was too big for the bassinet and so I brought him to our bed. We have put him in his crib off and on since then but always found co sleeping so much more enjoyable for the three of us. However, within the next few months he will be in his new bed, since he really is getting older. But we have never gone to bed drunk, we don't smoke ( unless drinking, which is very seldom), and my husband can't roll over for the life of him without waking up because of back problems, so I highly doubt he would smother him. And my son is  2 now, so I am certain it wouldn't be easy to do so now anyways.

    Oh and we can afford a crib, he had a crib, it wasn't about finances.

     
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    mandypop    September 15, 2012   BAHHHston

    @Cash000:

    just to be clear - the majority of incidents are not from a parent actually rolling over on their child and not waking up, but simply pulling a sheet up, moving a sheet, having a pillow shift or fall, or moving in such a way that the mattress obstructs the baby's mouth.

     
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    Nicoso    August 4, 2012   Ottawa, ON

    @Jenniphyr:

    To add onto your comment.  If you already have a crib for the baby, just remove one side of bars and add a board to keep the crib solid.  Pull the crib right up next to your bed and adjust the height of the mattress to be the same as yours. IKEA cribs work great for this!

    Your baby will be safe in their own bed but close enough for the effects of co-sleeping to still work: being in REM sleep at the same time.  

     
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    Mrs. Spring    May 10, 2009   California

    We co-slept until our daughter was 11 months, and we plan on doing it again with this baby.  When practicing safe co-sleeping, the incidence of death is actually lowered from crib sleeping.  Also, the most common cause of infant death in co-sleeping is from the baby becoming entrapped and/or strangling/suffocating to death.  It's very rare for a parent to roll over and suffocate their own child; I believe the rates for this are less than 20 deaths in a year in the US (although I'd have to look up the info again to verify).

    If you plan on co-sleeping, it's very important to take the proper safety measures.  Dr. Sears has a co-sleeping book, as does Dr. McKenna.  You can also find a lot of safety information on safe co-sleeping on Dr. Sears' Attachment Parenting website.  Finally, using a co-sleep (such as this one) is a great alternative to traditional co-sleeping, although safety measures and precautions (such as not using drugs/alcohol while co-sleeping) should still be followed.  The one we bought actually has a removable fourth side, so it can be used as a traditional bassinet.

     
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    Moja Milosc    September 24, 2011  

    @Jenniphyr: & @miss-spunkin: I have to agree, if the focus is on the need to cosleep safely, why show a baby with a knife next to it and say "look how horrible cosleeping is!" instead of saying how to safely cosleep. I DON'T know much about cosleeping which is why I do want to do some research, but that ad definitely made me pause and think wow, I'd be a horrible mom if I coslept...

    I have money for a crib, I don't even have really strong convictions about cosleeping or crib sleeping. I just feel like it makes more sense to be close to your baby while they sleep considering they've been sleeping inside your belly for nine months. I would love to know more about those bed extention crib things if anyone knows what they're called. I wonder if they are considered as "risky" as sharing a bed...

    Thanks for all your input and personal experiences! Lots to think about

     
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    Mrs. Spring    May 10, 2009   California

    @Moja Milosc:  Here's a thread that discussed the benefits and risks of co-sleeping.  It might give you some more information to jumpstart your research:

    http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/baby-sleeping-in-bed-with-you

    I would never recommend co-sleeping if someone was uncomfortable with it, but if you feel like it's the right decision for your family, there is a lot of information out there about doing it safely.  :)  Good luck!

     
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    Cash000    December 2, 2011   Canada

    @mandypop:

    Yes I realize this. We have taken the proper precautions. Thanks. 

     
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    miss-spunkin    May 29, 2010   Midwest

    @Moja Milosc: The one I've used before is called the Arms Reach Co-Sleeper, it's the most popular one on the market. It is kind of crazy that it's the same price as a crib and much smaller (they are only supposed to use it until they can roll over, so 4-6 mos old). I see them on craigslist ALL the time though, so check there. 

    Also there are other "tools" or resources out there if you're worried about baby rolling off, I love the humanity sleeping pad (so baby can sleep on your side of the bed), but it's expensive. 

    @Mrs. Spring: Exactly. That's why those ads are so deceptive, the "studies" they quote say thousands of co-sleeping deaths, but they don't say how many were under influence or co-sleeping safely. 

    I also second reading books/articles by both those doctors. Very straightforward, easy to understand, and teaches safety. I liked the Attachment Parenting book by Dr. Sears, he also talks about co-sleeping in his The Baby Book.

     
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    eeniebeans    October 9, 2010   Baltimore

    I would not say I "co-slept" with my babies although I did bring them into bed with me occasionally.  I think there are probably very few moms who NEVER bring their baby into bed with them.  I think the main problem is that a lot of moms are simply not thinking- pillows blankets etc.  But there are also a lot of stupid people out there.  I sense the nesting section of the weddingbee community is a lot more educated than the general public.  So is our experience akin to the huge knife in the bed with our baby? No.  But the general public?  Yeah maybe- there are a heck of a lot of people who need to get a clue out there.

     
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    MissDareDevil    April 2, 2011  

    I have a pretty opinionated view on the whole attachment parenting thing. I do not believe it is the best way to parent for, not for mom or baby.

    We will absolutely NOT be co-sleeping, but will have a bassinet in our bedroom while the baby is a newborn.

     
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    Marriedandlovingit    June 18, 2011  

    I will have our son in a bassinet next to me for a little while, but I want him to get used to sleeping in his room and crib as soon as possible. I am personally not a fan of cosleeping. 

     
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    Moja Milosc    September 24, 2011  

    @MissDareDevil: Yeah that's a concern too for sure. I don't want the baby to be anxious around other people or just overly attached to me. I just want to be able to breastfeed and get some sleep, and I've heard that co sleeping helps babies sleep better/longer. The bassinet is sounding like the best idea for our family.

     
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    Sassygrn    June 4, 2011   Minnesota

    I personally am very against co sleeping there are to many risks involved and I am not willing to put my child in that situation. 

    That and I know it can lead to a child not being able to sleep on their own or fall asleep on their own from my BIL/SIL with their daughter.  They had her co sleeping and she would not fall asleep at all unless both her parents were in the bed with her. Even then she wouldn't sleep. She would not sleep on her own.  She is now 2.5 and just finally at the age of 2 she was able to sleep on her own. 

    We had our son in our room in a craddle for a week, then he moved into his own room with the cradle. We have had NO issues what so ever with him sleeping on his own or falling asleep. 

     
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    mandypop    September 15, 2012   BAHHHston

    This is the product I was describing:

    I think a company called "Side by Side" makes a variety of them.

    Co sleeping :  wedding Baby%20Bunk%20AD%20copy

     
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    We didn't co-sleep, but her bassinet was always in the room with us for the first 2 months or so. I roll, toss, turn, kick. I simply couldn't sleep if she was in the bed with me. I was also very careful when I had her in the snuggly. There were times my husband and I would fall asleep holding her, but it was brief. It wasn't even because we were scared of the danger, it just wasn't comfortable for anyone, especially her! Even now, she needs to be in her own bed, in her own room, with all her stuffed animals and books haha. I had her sleeping through the night by 10 weeks, so I definitely will be doing the same with baby #2.

     
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    KWebs    October 9, 2010   Boston

    I wouldn't-- it's not for me. I know there are very safe ways to do it, so it's actually more selfish reasons for me-- I don't think I would be able to sleep, both because I would be worried about rolling over on the baby, however unlikely, plus worried that I would pull the blanket up near the baby or move the pillow too close. I have a hard time getting to sleep as it is, and I know I'd be anxious about waking the baby, too. So yeah, it wouldn't be a good option for me. When the time comes, I plan to get a bassinett of some type for our room them move the baby to a crib in his own room. (hopefully both will be hand me downs from siblings!).

     
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    snmcdowell    9-13-08   Chicago

    Summer Infant makes an inexpensive infant cot (we got ours at Babies R Us) that you can put right in your bed alongside you. We used this for 5 months with my son and it was a lifesaver. I researched this topic heavily and this was the safest option I could find. The only thing is that you need a king size bed to comfortably fit the cot.

     

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