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Everytime I turn on the tv I see people making fun of my conservative values. So why is everyone so against saying "Hey I'm conservative and I don't think that marriage should be between 26 women and one man or 26 men and one woman or 2men or 2 women." I'm so sick and tired of conservative people not saying "Hey i don't believe in that". When they see a controversial topic on forums and in public they keep their mouths shut too often. Lately I have seen a subject on here about homosexual marriages. I politely pointed out I didn't agree or feel guilty that I could get married. I was the only person who said they didn't agree and I KNOW that I can't be the only user on WB that doesn't agree with same sex marriage. Or the health care reform and so much more. I'm just so annoyed that people aren't speaking up.
so conservatives: why do you not speak up?
I'm all for everyone speaking up. And I totally respect you starting this thread, and debated not posting at all since I kind of feel like I'm thread hijacking. So I won't argue with you or start up a debate. But, with respect to your views, please realize that a 27 person marriage is nowhere near the same as a homosexual marriage. You can disagree with them all you want, but please be kinder in the way you do so.
Why so much hate?
I believe that every person should be free to do with their life as they please. I pass no judgement unto anyone just because they don't think like me.
This is suppose to be a site of support for everyone equally and not to hate or express our personal judgment against anyone.
I am not a conservative by any means and I'm older than a lot of the brides on WB - but I think it is common for younger (and I mean 20 something or younger) people to take it for granted that everyone is more liberal
I think people should speak up for whatever they beleive in even if it differs from the norm - that's one of our fundamental American values. Just b/c I may not agree with you doesn't mean either of us is not entitled to our views.
And for the record, I am 100% in favor of same sex marriages. I am not in favor of the health care bill at all - but other more liberal folks really let me have it when I say this.
Second what @lilyfaith said.
It reminds me how my mom compares homosexual marriage to "like a man being able to marry his dog or something".
Sigh. Not the same at all.
Because as a conservative I don't believe that other people's personal lives are any of my business.
@ chicagobride092010: That's a really good point.
ETA: As a liberal I have the same viewpoint.
Everyone here on the bee is free to speak their mind. It is a personal choice on whether or not they choose to do so. Please keep that in mind.
I am again, not a conservative and think anyone should be able to have the right to get married, but I think you guys are being a little harsh on the OP. I don't think she was meaning to compare same sex marriage to marrying 26 people.
and chicagobride is 100% correct IMHO - it's no one's business what anyone else does.
I could say so many things here but in order to keep things nice I will not.
I would just like to say that homosexual couples should be able to get married if they choose to and no one should be making their decisions for them.
That said... I will stop now.
Lilyfaith you're right it's not the same. But the main point was that one man one woman. But it's not the point of the discussion at all. their are a million and one topics that are based on conservative/liberal values. It's about a collective why aren't people speaking up. I hear people all the time about "I believe in this liberal point". I just don't get why conservatives aren't going "hey I believe in this conservative point"
Wildstyle I am indeed in my twenties, but I know people in their 30's all way up to their late 60's that feel like more people are siding in a liberal manner at least publicly.
chicagobride092010 it isn't about sticking your nose in others business. It's about going "hey I believe in this conservative point"
OP: Care to elaborate or give us some more insight on your viewpoint?
I am with you chicagobride. I will occasionally comment on issues that directly affect me, otherwise I keep my opinions/thoughts to myself.
Perhaps no other conservatives stated their disagreement on that thread because they were respecting all of the same sex coupled bee's on here. I'm sorry you feel unsupported but stating you disagree with same sex marriage on a thread about the topic falls under "personal attacks" in my opinion....
wildstyle: I think its entirely possible she was in fact making that connection because it appears to be a common inflammatory argument to throw polygamy, bestiality, and so on with homosexuality.
But, I think that there are conservative voices on the bee, but there are may be more liberal ones on here.
I think Chicagobride has a good point - is it really up to us to decide who should and should not be married?
My wedding is two months away and I am getting more and more excited everyday. I have a close friend who has been in a long relationship with her partner, and the fact that she cannot experience that same excitement is saddening. I also think about the fact that I am white and my fiance is Latino/black, and that fifty years ago (or even more recently) this would have prevented us from being together in many states. I find it absurd that a man and a woman can walk into a courthouse and get married after days of knowing eachother, while two people who love and are commited to eachother cannot be given that same right.
I consider myself politically conservative, but I think this whole issue will eventually destroy any conservative base. Hopefully, the younger generation will not acceptance discrimination.
People are 100% missing the point. It's why aren't you speaking up? Of course you have the coice to do so or not. And it's not about gay marriage.
This is not a blog/website about being conservative or not. Its suppose to be about wedding planning and sharing all the excitement that it brings.
So why express an opinion that would make others feel uncomfortable. In this matter NOT speaking up is a respect for others decisions.
Is it really fair to assume that all conservative people are against same sex marriage, or is that a generalization? And, does someone automatically support the health care bill because they're liberal? It doesn't seem to make sense to categorize such a wide variety of people into two distinct buckets.
Bottom line -- I feel that government involvement is beneficial to some extent, and it definitely plays a vital role in our society. But, I don't think it's really government's business to manage people's personal affairs at the granular level that they sometimes do. I guess I'm more libertarian than anything.
Addition: I do agree that a minority of people are often times the loudest. For example, the recent California University protests. My FI is a state worker, and has many state worker friends. They are all taking pay cuts. Many are on one income and the upcoming paycut will be a major setback for them. In my last job, I worked with all public California Universities. The furlough/budget cuts we've seen over the last couple of years has been an absolute nightmare for these schools. Professors are being fired, faculty is being cut, classes don't have the funding they need, and everyone is taking mandatory furlough days. So, why are college students on campus protesting fee increases? I don't think this is necessarily the majority opinion, but the message is sure sent loud and clear. We all choose to live in this state (those of us in CA) and we all need to share the burden of the tough economic times. University fees are not unreasonable, and I'm just shocked at the inconsideration and feeling of entitlement that I see in my generation, myself included.
Probably because a lot of people - especially those who frequent online forums - simply don't think that way
I wonder if it is a regional thing? I consider myself a liberal, but I live in Waco, TX.
Yes, THE Waco, TX.
And if I had a dollar for every breakroom conversation I listen to about "big government", or socialized healthcare, or impeaching Obama, or how incredible of a president Sarah Palin would be....
well I could buy myself a moose hunting trip to Alaska.
Down here, conservatives are *very* vocal, and I just try to keep my trap shut, rather than ruffle feathers at work.
I actually suggested a reason: there may in fact be many more liberal bees than conservative ones. And no, we are not bullies, but if you say things that I consider inflammatory and disagree with I am going to put my opinion out there.
I really don't think the majority of you are listeing to the actual question. I'm going to try one more time "Conservatives: Why are you not speaking up"
Marywil1: it is a wedding website... with a non wedding realted section. Which is why this is posted in the NWR: Lounge and not under bridesmaids.
Good point torybrian; Since when did conservative mean anti-same sex marriage and anti Obama?
Perhaps people arent speaking up because more and more people are opening their minds and realizing that marriage is for everyone not just a man and a woman.
Go to FOX news and spread your hate somewhere else, k thanks.
@mrsjellybean - actually, a my partner, who is a conservative libertarian would agree with chicagobride's argument - as generally conservatives don't want big government for example. and as a decidedly left of center (and certainly far more so than he is) person, i agree with her too.
also it makes sense that people would be more liberal leaning in general - we have a more liberal government in office right now and we voted them in as a nation. i know a lot of people are not happy with the current regime of course.
but i'm ending my argument here.
I don't think people who identify as conservative are any quieter than they once were, and I'm certain that people who identify as conservative still make up around 50% of our country. I still hear plenty of them speak up, and I'm on one of the most liberal college campuses in the US (we often truthfully joke that it is much harder to come our as a Republican than it is to come out as gay). Whether more people have come to accept gay couples' rights to a partnership recognized by the US government is a different story perhaps. I was going to say what wildstyle said. Maybe you're more conscious of liberals because we currently have a Democrat as president and a Democratic majority in congress.
@MrsJellybean227 - I really did get the point of your question, and that's why I said that I thought about not responding and felt like I was hijacking your thread. I understand threads to vent about being in the minority of something - I've started one myself. I was just making a point that we have plenty of LGBT bees in our community, and it's really hurtful to make that comparison. I apologize if you didn't mean to, but that's how I read it. I fully support your actual question, but I felt that it was important to reply to that specific wording.
@MrsJellyBean, I do understand where you are coming from. I am rather conservative (my liberal FI would tell you that I am VERY conservative) and honestly I don't care if others disagree with my values and conservative views... it's not like I am hiding from the the liberals ;) I think that I don't care SO much that I don't waste my time explaining and defending myself. Does that make sense at all?? Probably not =)
and i also agree - a lot of people simply are not interested in discussing politics or social issues on what is essentially a wedding blog.
I personally am not thrilled with the conservative/liberal labels. Why do our beliefs have to all flow into one single label? I consider myself socially liberal and fiscally conservative. How I vote at each election just depends on who the candidates are.
I also try to keep an open mind and listen to opposing view points because I think that is the best way to learn about any topic.
And I agree, I don't think it is as hot of a topic here because this is a site about weddings. No matter what your personal beliefs are, anyone can get married in certain states 
oh man I dont like where this is going..everyone should agree to disagree and move on :)
I agree lemondrop--I'm registered as independent and don't identify with any of those labels, but I know a lot of people do (as much as I wish we could get beyond a two party/conservative-liberal dichotomy mindset). And those who identify as 'conservative' seem to me to be just as vocal as ever.
I really think this board just tends to be more liberal.
I share liberal and conservative viewpoints, but I try not to get into politics because it is so sensitive. In the few times I have seen conservatives voice their opinions on "hot button" topics, I will say that I have seen them mobbed. That's kind of what appears to be happening on this post. OP posted an opinion many respondants disagee with, and has been accused of "spreading hate". Just because you disagree with what someone says doesn't make what they are saying hateful. It might be offensive to you because of differing beliefs, but nothing OP has said thus far has been what I would consider hateful.I think that's jumping the gun a little bit.
Liberal viewpoints, on this board, are widely accepted as being "open minded", while conservative view points are seen as "close minded". So, either consevatives are afraid to speak up, or they just don't think this is the environment they feel comfortable. Or, they are mutt "moderates" like me, who just stay out of the political debates together because they can get so heated so fast.
MrsJellybean, I think part of the explanation to your question could be that it is more difficult to reason (or defend, if you choose) conservative values. why I say that is because conservative values, if not communicated correctly, a lot of times in our society become equated to racism, discrimination, narrow mindedness, etc. Social standards, including those on recognition of human rights, are very liberal, while fiscal/economical, that is where it is much easier to argue either side.
Having said that personally I am probably on an opposite side of the spectrum from you on a lot of issues, but I thought that was a very interesting comment you made as starting point of the post.
But ultimately, hey, we all just have to remember that one thing we all have in common here is that we found a person to spend the rest of our life with!
I will agree with Neato and add that it is 100% okay for OP to disagree with healthcare and same sex marriage, just like it is okay for someone to agree with it. I am sure that her intentions here are not to "spread hate".
Define "Speaking up".
If the means when a gay puts a thread about vows or whatever, you'll say that you are against it and that they are wrong or something of that sort. It is not just disrespectful but also "spreading hate".
Why do you need to "speak up" when is not a matter of a wedding site?
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