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Ok, so I need some hive opinions here. To give a bit of background. This is regarding one of FI's oldest high school friends. We decided like many people getting married to limit the plus ones. Only for married people, engaged, living together or dating more than one year. I personally think that is quite reasonable. This particular girl has been dating this guy for roughly 7 months. We've never met him (not that we didn't want to but she lives in a far away state). She and FI only email occasionally these days.
Before we sent out our invites, FI gets an email from her saying, "so, 'Joe' is going to score an invite right?' FI responded saying he was really sorry that we wouldn't be able to invite him and explained our constraints and our rules. We then sent out our invites, and didn't hear back from her. FI sends another email saying hey, how are you-hope you're getting your mail, haven't gotten your RSVP yet. Nothing in response for several weeks. He emails agian, hey you never responded. We then get an angry email saying how mad she is about the whole thing, saying, don't we want to meet this guy, etc. FI says, well of course, but is our wedding really the best time for that, if he's important to you which he obviously is we want to meet him for real! Plus, he outlined our constraints again and apologized and said we would invite him if we got more no's than we expected! She then writes the following email:
You're right, meeting 'Joe' on your wedding day is not ideal--you'll only have a few minutes for me/us. I almost didn't even include that bit for that very reason. But that's exactly why you should take the experience of your guests into consideration--they will only see you for a few minutes, so as much as you'd like to think it's all about the couple getting married, it's not really. I have absolutely no interest in driving 8 hours in one weekend so I can make small talk with obviously friendly people I'll never see again and talk to you for few minutes. And while the 'Smiths' are lovely, neither am I interested in driving 8 hours for them. Let's be honest--while you'd be hurt because you'd feel that I don't think attending your wedding is an important enough reason to spend a weekend away from 'my city' during recruiting season, your wedding experience would be in no way altered by my presence or lack thereof. I'm sure you think that this is the wrong attitude, but I view weddings primarily as an opportunity to catch up with other wedding guests, not with the bride and groom precisely for the reason you pointed out. So if I'm not going to see anyone I have a huge desire to catch up with, I'm unlikely to attend. I was, however, willing to use your wedding as an excuse to bring 'Joe' to Cincinnati to introduce him to my parents and to see 'our mutual friend, Emily'.
Here's what it comes down to--you made a choice that I don't agree with and that impacts my ability to enjoy the weekend. I understand that it's your wedding and you are the one who gets to make the choices. I certainly am not trying to browbeat you into inviting 'Joe'. But you're implying you had no way around your decisions, and that's just not true."
I MEAN REALLY?!!!!!!!!!! WHO SAYS THIS TO SOMEONE?! So FI responds and is extremely hurt saying, well basically you obviously didn't even want to come unless you could be killing two birds with one stone' and we had said we would invite him IF WE COULD. And if she had picked up the phone and said to him, this is really important to me, and i would feel more comfortalbe WE WOULD HAVE OF COURSE INVITED HIM.
OK, thank you if you made it that far. Could someone tell me if we're overreacting? I mean the problem now is, if we cave and invite him then it's going to be super awkward, and if we don't either she won't show up (maybe good at this point) or she will and be super pissed. UGH!
Nutjob. Just ignore her and see where the friendship goes after the wedding. Do NOT invite Joe, whatever you do. Don't give in!
ps~ what kind of recruiting is she doing?
I honestly don't know what type of recruiting. FI really wanted to reply, 'F you, then don't come' I think the friendship might be done...
Gah, I'd just reply back with an
"I'm sorry you feel that way.
yours, Kara'sFH".
Who gets that pissed off? She needs to get a grip.
Is she serious? This girl is no friend of your FH's. Just drop it and hope she doesn't show. What a nutjob.
In general I would have said that if she had been dating they guy for seven months and was traveling from out of state, it would be ok to invite her date. But after seeing her email, I think she is completely out of line, and don't think she warrants any concessions with that type of attitude. She is very out of line, and you're right, it would just be awkward if Joe were to come now, because of that email.
Wow I think that is TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE on her part!
I say stick to your guns and don't invite "JOE"!!!!!! At this point SHE should be embarrassed to show up - she made it very clear she is ONLY interested in coming if she can bring Joe home to meet family and emily so I would just stick to your guns and hope she doesn't come!
I am sorry you and your FH are having to deal with this! *HUGS*
I know what you mean Lorenna, and honestly like I said if she had called and said, hey you know I would really like to bring Joe, I think I'll feel more comfortable etc, and this is really important to me we totally would have. But now...yeah. I just hate it because FI is sick over this. He feels horrible, and angry and etc. I just want to smack this girl!
Wow.. self centered to the core! Can't even stop thinking about themself for ONE day for you guys to get married how you want to get married. I would not waste any more energy on this person. Maybe they will realize how RUDE it was to say all that to you and try to make up for it.. but if not, then who wants some body like that in their life anyway? Negative energy.
I'm going to start by saying that her e-mail does sound a little crazy but at the same time, she might not be COMPLETLY wrong.
It sounds like your fiance might have gone overboard when he was explaining to her why her BF couldn't come. Maybe he said several times that he would love to have "joe" there but that his hands were tied and that there were guest list limitations. She is correct in stating that you guys choose a smaller wedding but she is wrong to imply that there is anything wrong with that!! To me it sounds like she is mostly angry about the excuses that your husband gave.
You said that "And if she had picked up the phone and said to him, this is really important to me, and i would feel more comfortalbe WE WOULD HAVE OF COURSE INVITED HIM." but it sounds like she did express to you both that this was important to her when she asked several times if she could bring him.
It's difficult to draw a line on the +1s and I understand someone feeling hurt b/c their 7 month relationship isn't viewed as important as a relationship only 5 months longer. I also understand that driving 8 hours to a wedding by yourself must suck. However, she was TOTALLY out of line with her e-mail and should have accepted your proposal to include him if you get enough NOs.
I would respond to the e-mail and tell her that you did sacrifice guestlist for a wedding that you want and that she has no right to judge you for that.
Yikes. Here's the thing -- it makes sense that if she doesn't know a lot of other people at the wedding, and won't be able to bring her boyfriend, that she might not want to attend. But the way she's handled it is extremely unpleasant and self-centered. Like you said, if she'd approached it by saying, "this is really important to me, I don't know many people at your wedding and I would be a lot more comfortable if I could bring 'Joe,'" you guys would have been more inclined to make it work! Instead she chose to be judgmental and nasty.
I think Miss D'Orsay's response is the perfect one. "I'm sorry you feel that way. We will put you down as a 'decline.' Yours, Kara's FH."
One of the frustrating things about wedding planning is that you just can't please everyone. If you'd thrown the backyard BBQ wedding she suggests, and invited the whole planet, some out-of-town guests might have crabbed that a backyard BBQ wasn't "special" enough to justify the trip. Or let's say you cut out the entree options to add more guests -- then they'd complain that they didn't get to choose what they ate. So even though she's acting as though you guys made selfish choices, the choices you made will actually cause most guests to enjoy your wedding more. She's the exception, unfortunately, and apparently she isn't mature enough to deal with the idea that the word doesn't revolve around her.
Wow. If she'd been nice about it, you guys could have let him come if she'd been all, "oh well, it's a long drive" blah blah blah.
But no, she had to be crazy and completely irrational.
Sorry you guys are going through this. Maybe you should email her yourself and let her know that if she'd behaved like a normal human being it would have been one thing and how dare her be like this and too bad, you guys thought you could be friends.
GEEEz
OMG, what a nutjob. Regardless of your decision to invite her or not initially, she has certainly proven that she doesn't give a crap about your wedding and went so far as to say that she was "willing to use your wedding as an excuse to bring 'Joe' to Cincinnati to introduce him to my parents and to see 'our mutual friend, Emily'." Um, to me that means she doesn't really care about your wedding and it was simply a convenience for HER.
I'd forget her. Write back and say, "Thank you for your email. I will assume based upon your tirade that you will not be in attendance."
Seriously, don't lose sleep over this, she's crazy. And wait until she's planning her wedding to Joe and gets to face the reality of a budget, guest list and plus one's. Oye.
Wow, too bad you didn't plan your wedding around her schedule/wants/needs! I think you responded appropriately. It's her loss anyways....
You know it's true, she said she wanted to bring him...but I think what made us respond a bit defensively is she didn't pick up the phone to express how important it was to us, she sent us a rude email saying that all of our wedding choices are selfish. Maybe we went into too much detail saying why it was difficult for us to invite him, but we had said that we would try! I feel like if she had handled it differently and said, thank you I would really appreciate it if he could come as I feel like I don't know that many people (she does know people and its in her hometown btw where she can stay with her parents!!)...I don't know. I realize we are partly at fault, I am just appalled by her response!
Yeah this is a little overboard. Clearly she doesn't get the ins and outs of planning a wedding, has no respect for your decisions and is terrible at communicating! I'd write her off as a "decline" and move on. She made her point clear, no make your's clear.
O.M.G. I would write back "I wasn't aware that our wedding was about you. Due to this oversight, we are not going to be able to accomidate you, and will therefore assume that you will not be in attendance"
<<but I view weddings primarily as an opportunity to catch up with other wedding guests, not with the bride and groom precisely for the reason you pointed out. So if I'm not going to see anyone I have a huge desire to catch up with, I'm unlikely to attend.>>
That part is so stupid, and I wouldn't want anyone like that at my wedding anyway.
Quite honestly, if I was being forced to go to a wedding without a date and didn't know any of the other guests, I wouldn't go. It's embarassing. People ask you who you are, or barely talk to you. And then they say "are you single" "don't worry, it will happen for you someday".
The only weddings I would attend without a date would be ones that I am in or family weddings of which I can hang with cousins and such.
I understand where she is coming from.
I also understand budget constraints, but walking into a wedding alone, is akward and not fun!
I think it's funny that she thinks she is able to dictate what kind of wedding you guys should be having. I, too, would respond with something short and sweet:
"I'm sorry you feel this way, we'll miss you on the BIG day!".
Don't even worry about it. If she'd acted humane at all, it'd be one thing. But to just fly off the handle, well...you simply don't need her at your wedding at all!
Talk about throwing a tantum when you don't get your way.
Thank you all for your support, I really appreciate it. I do know where she's coming from, but I just don't understand her approach!! (not to mention she DOES know people at the wedding!) THis all just sucks because I already lost an old friend because she told me she didn't like my FI, and still assumed she'd be my MOH! I had told her I didn't feel comfortable since she obviously didn't support our marriage, and she has not talked to me since!
What is it about weddings that brings out the worst in some people?
@aliciae-if you would feel uncomfortable, then you just don't go to the wedding. I don't know why everyone has to give a song and a dance if they aren't invited +1. No one cares, it isn't interesting-just decline. You have an option-no one is forcing anyone to do anything.
I've gone to a wedding without a guest and I had the best time hanging out with all of the singles (the wedding was actually the day after I met FI). We danced, and drank, and laughed our butts off the entire night. This doesn't seem boring to me.
Wow, what a crazy email to send. Email can be the worst form of communication. While I don't agree with her tone or her telling you that your wedding is about her, I do think it's kind of tough to be invited to a wedding 8 hours away and not be allowed to bring a guest. Seven months is a pretty long time to be dating, and she sounds pretty serious about this guy. It sounds like she tried to hint that she needed a guest, and then completely lost it. Sometimes it's better to pick up the phone.
I second what flamingred said. I do get why it might not be fun to go to a wedding without your boyfriend/girlfriend. But if this woman feels that strongly about it, she should just RSVP "regrets" instead of writing a long-winded guilt trip accusing the couple of having the wrong kind of wedding.
Also, if I'm reading Kara's story correctly, I don't think this friend was very clear about how important bringing "Joe" was to her until she started throwing her temper tantrum. She asked if he'd be invited. FH said no. Friend didn't respond. When FH followed up on her RSVP, she ignored him at first, then flew off the handle and said she was incredibly mad that 'Joe' wasn't invited. There was no point where she said "look, I really want to bring 'Joe,' the wedding is 8 hours away and I'm uncomfortable attending by myself, is there any way you could include him?" Instead, she went from zero to Guestzilla in one e-mail!
Good grief!! I am in complete disbelief at her tirade! You are the ones sacrificing, scrimping and saving to have a special day-- how can she think it's ok to guilt you for it?
FI and I were talking about something similar last night--- it makes me feel ill that a wedding CELEBRATION brings out all this negativity and hurt feelings in people. Whenever we have to give someone bad news, you can be assured that me and FI have stressed, lamented and/or fought among ourselves time and again before reaching the decision. It pains us not to give our loved ones everything they want. Nonetheless, once you tell a guest no, I guess they assume that we've made some calloused, snap judgment without regard to their feelings. It breaks my heart people would think we are cruel and don't give us the benefit of doubt.
Would it have been ideal to provide her a +1? Sure. I don't think we should judge the importance of a relationship only by duration. But the nature of wedding planning is making hard choices and drawing the line somewhere. If she had been a true friend or someone with a modicum of tact, she would have just declined without all the showboating. Ugh.
Clearly this girl is clueless about wedding planning. I wouldn't want her at my wedding with that attitude. Tell her thank you for her response and that you are sorry she is unable to attend.
wow. I think that's just crazy & rude. If bringing her boyfriend to the wedding was that big of a deal, she shouldn't have been so rude to you guys to get you to agree. She's almost making it sound like she should be the one planning your wedding. I don't think she really understands how hard it is to make these decisions & plan a wedding! She's just trying to get her way. I wouldn't invite Joe & would probably consider just telling her to never mind coming as well.
flamingred - totally agree with you. I've been to weddings solo too - just as much fun! And if you're not the type to make friends, then don't go and send a gift and a card w/ regrets. RSVPs are a yes or no question - either you're going, or you're not.
PS: are you a Patty Griffin fan?
Pmerr, you're from Rochester?! Me too!!! I went to BHS :)
Is it to the point that we have to worry about our socially inept guests being incapable of having a good time without a date clinging to them?! Last I checked, I'm not responsible for other peoples' social capabilities. I got my own!
Gee, what did people do when they were single? LoL
I personally would have invited him for all of the reasons she listed in her email to begin with. Her email was a little over the top though. We invited everyone with a +1 and only those in serious relationships are bringing a date.
Yikes... Someone fell off their rocker!
Of course you understand her position but her behavior is completely unacceptable. I have a friend who just started dating her BF and when I sent her a STD it was only for her but when I realized that she is traveling a few hours from home to be there I didn't mind adding her. The important thing here is that I made the decision. Her not responding to your FH emails did not help the situation and then coming out of left field with that crap is just nonsense. She can control her own wedding... Not yours!
Brush it off! Don't stress about this!
I honestly believe that when it comes to weddings friendships, family members and others show their true colors and it helps weed out the people you thought were happy and there for you. But her email back, holy. freakin'. crap. I personally would have to restrain myself to not email back something snary because of how rude she was, but that's not the best solution. The best solution? I say do not write her back at all. If you do then she will continue on her rant. More than likely, yes, the relationship is now burnt to the ground---but what will you guys be missing? If she acts like this then she's not a true friend. :( I myself have discovered those I thought were my friends were only interested in themselves and needed the "frienship" when it was conveniant for them or they needed something. Sorry, that's not how any relationship works (i.e. husband/wife, boyfriend/girlfriend, friendship, family, etc).
I find her letter fascinating. Of course, she was totally inappropriate to send it. A simple, I'm sorry, but I can't make it would have sufficied. Most people know better than to go into such detail about the self-centered process by which they came to the conclusion that your wedding wasn't an event that they wanted to attend. I think it gives us all a bit of insight.
I can remember in my youth battling with a high school chum over the fact that I couldn't bring a date to his wedding. I offered to pay for my guest and then the real reason he didn't want me to bring him was that my ex-boyfriend was attending with his girlfriend and it would be awkward. Needless to say, I took a pass on that one.
So I showed FI all the responses. He said "I like these people, but of course they are planning a wedding, so they get it more." :)
"Also he wanted to clarify that this is an 8 hour ROUNDTRIP drive she would be making and he also said "And yes, she never indicated how important it was to her until the tirade, up until then it was the one line in the email, my first response saying we were sorry but would try, and then a month and half of silence..."
Anyway, thanks for all your support guys! It means a lot to me and FI! :)
WOW. That is one heckuva email... my mouth is agape! Some people have no tact or grace... you are so much better off W/O her presence!
But I totally understand how this situation is eating away at your FI, I hate it when ppl are mad at me and have a hard time brushing things off my shoulder, even the crazy ppl...
The way she emailed it and the tone weren't right. At the same time, it was the truth - we all make decisions in our planning about priorities. I have been in her shoes where my boyfriend of 4 years wouldn't be invited as my date because we weren't engaged or living together (which we felt was against our moral code). I went to one wedding by myself where I didn't know anyone else, and vowed that I wouldn't be doing that again - it was very lonely for me. My now FI also felt slighted because he knew the bride and groom. Since we were particularly sensitive to the issue, we decided that inviting all of our guests with dates was a priority for us. We have had to cut back on other things, but it was important for us since so many of our guests were coming from out of town and we didn't want them to have to travel alone, sit alone, stay in a hotel alone etc.
I think it's perfectly fine to make the decision you all did. She should have accepted it and politely declined the invitation. I don't defend her for her response, but I understand where she was coming from.
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