(Closed) Diamond question…help!!

posted 8 years ago in Rings
Post # 3
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Busy bee

Maybe your jeweler is just looking out for you. Have you compared that stone to a higher graded stone? Can you see a difference? I think the difference in quality has to do with inclusions that can’t be seen by the naked eye. If you want more info, I suggest pricescope.com.

However, when it comes down to selecting a stone you like, it comes down to personal taste. If you like the stone, get it. My stone, a sapphire, has a “window” effect- but I really just like the stone, and haven’t thought about it since. Hope that helps!

Post # 4
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Busy bee

Also, your jeweler might be considering your budget/size/quality. If you want a certain size, and that is the first priority- this stone might be a great compromise.

Post # 5
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: August 2010

It also depends where the inclusions are. For instance, my stone has an inclusion, but it’s under one of the prongs, so it’s impossible to see without a jeweler’s loupe and while the stone is in the setting (which it always is!). I personally don’t think that inclusions are that big a deal, as long as they don’t marr the sparkle of the stone.

Post # 6
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2010

@Meagan Lindsay: in my first marriage I had s12 diamonds. No I could not see any specks or anything like that. I can say you can tell the difference when you put the two stones in bright light. It also depends on the setting. I currently have a moissannite ring that is beautiful. I also think the sales person was looking out for your too.

Post # 7
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2011

agree. also i was told that there are white inclusions and dark inclusions… if the stone has white inclusions they are near impossible to see with the naked eye and therefore i dont see a point in buying a stone with less if i cant see them anyways. 🙂

Post # 8
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2011

agree. also i was told that there are white inclusions and dark inclusions… if the stone has white inclusions they are near impossible to see with the naked eye and therefore i dont see a point in buying a stone with less if i cant see them anyways. 🙂

Post # 9
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: May 2011

I also suggest pricescope.

A lot of people don’t care about inclusions, as long as they cannot be seen with the naked eye.  There are some SI2 stones that have inclusions that can’t be seen with the naked eye. 

It somewhat depends on the shape of your diamond too.  Clarity is more important with emerald cut stones than round brilliants for example.

Another important point is which lab graded the diamond?  GIA and AGS are the industry tops.  An SI2 graded by EGL, IGI, or somewhere else might be the equivalent of an I1 or I2 on the AGS or GIA scale.

Also keep in mind, that you can’t see the difference with the naked eye between a D, E, and F.

Post # 10
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: June 2011

As long as it is “eye clean”, it’s really not worth it to keep increasing in clarity. Same with color, as long as it’s “near colorless”, on your finger you can’t really tell going up or down a couple grades in color.

My center diamond is SI1, but eye clean (the “inclusion” is just a little tiny cloudiness I can’t even see myself even with a jewelers loupe) you can see the “flaw” pointed out in the picture Microscopic 2 at this page: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/7201/ 

Cut is the biggest factor in choosing a diamond. Cut determines the sparkle and fire of the diamond.

Post # 11
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: January 2011

SI2 means that there are inclusion, however it is “eye clean” – you won’t be able to see them unless you put your diamond under a loop. 

Is the stone certified?  If it is, the inclusions will appear on the cert plot – which shows exactly where each inclusion is located.  A good jeweler will hide, if they can, any inclusion under a prong – so it is possible that even if you have an inclusion, you’ll never see it.

Either way, make sure that the stone you do purchase, is certified.

Hope this helps.

Post # 12
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: April 2011

I think it really just depends on your preference,and the particular diamond.

My diamond is SI1 but I can’t even find the inclusion. My fiance bought this one even though the carat size was slightly less than the other he looked at, because with this one you can’t see an inclusions to the eye, and even with the jewelers loop it’s very difficult. The last two times I’ve dropped it off to be cleaned they couldn’t find it either. 

I’d say if you can’t see it with the naked eye, and possibly not even with the loop- then go for it!

Post # 13
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Newbee

Meagan,

Everyone has excellent points here. What is important to remember, is this is YOUR ring. What is important to you? Would you like all 2 of those carats? If so, then it may be quite alright(i’m not sure if you have a budget here) to go with a Slightly Included (SI1 and SI2) – Inclusions are noticeable to a skilled grader using 10× magnification(this is what everyone was saying about the inclusions are not noticable to the naked eye)

Years ago, before GIA created the clarity scale, many jewelers would talk about “loupe” clean, or pique( a european saying for blemished) this was often misinterpereted, hence the need for a scale to create an educated consumer and fair market.

The GIA Clarity Scale contains 11 grades, with most diamonds falling into the VS (very slightly included) or SI (slightly included) categories. In determining a clarity grade, the GIA system considers the size, nature, position, color or relief, and quantity of clarity characteristics visible under 10× magnification.

Remember, it is VERY important to get the GIA report on the diamond. If the (reputable) jeweler is trying to help you out, then I am sure he is MORE than willing to show you the GIA report. Maybe carat, cut and color(great job with D!) are more important to you. Remember, you are the consumer, it is important to insist on an unbiased diamond grading report for accurate information. Reputable jewelers will not hesitate to provide anyone with an unbiased third party grading report, scientifically documenting a diamond’s four c’s.

When I was looking at which c’s were most important to me, I went straight to the gia’s website. They have a realy cute, quick informative video too! http://4cs.gia.edu/

 I hope this helps!

Good Luck,

Loveshermalbec

 

 

 

 

Post # 14
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: June 2011

“Remember, it is VERY important to get the GIA report on the diamond.”

AGS (American Gem Society) is also a reputable 3rd party gem evaluating lab.

Post # 15
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Worker bee
  • Wedding: November 2010

I wouldn’t worry about clarity and color until you find out what the cut grade is.  Cut is king! You could have a D. IF diamond and if it’s not cut well, it won’t matter how good the other 3 C’s are.  You can read more about the importance of cut and other attributes here: http://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut/

I second the comments that the lab grading the diamond is of highest importance too. GIA and AGS are very reputable and hold to a very high standard.  EGL is generally regarded as a Tier 2 lab for its inconsistencies and less strict grading.

Post # 16
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: May 2011

Personally,  the three C’s (cut, color, and clarity) are very important to me.  I got a slightly smaller diamond, but I am happy because the three C’s were very important when I picked my diamond.  Most people dont care like I do (my father is a jewler).  If there is no inclusions that you can see at a glance then I would not worry about it being an SI2.  Also going up in size like a 2Ct.  it is going to be ALOT harder to find a perfect diamond.  I say go for what you love and if it sparkles and shines enough for you then take it girl!!!  🙂  I hope your journey is a fun one and I’m sure no matter what you will LOVE the ring that is chosen in the end.  Good luck!

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