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They should have given you a lot more photos if they shot for 3 hours and there were two of them. They should have been able to shoot at least 100 per hour!
Yeah, this just screams rip-off to me.
I would write back and ask why their photo count is so low for weddings, and why they think that a rehearsal dinner would automatically require 67% less photos--all they were hired to do is take pictures of the guests. I would try to be polite about it, but that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Most photogs say they'll have about 90-120 photos an hour, so what is the deal?
I take more than 64 photos at ANY major event myself (on my point and shoot camera)! I would have been really upset too. My photog promised us about 1200-1500 shots for 10 hours of work, which means about 120-150 pics/hour. You definitely should have gotten more pics! I'm glad you didn't hire them for your wedding, phew!
definitely sucks to pay $4 an image PLUS have the quality stink :(
BUT ... sounds like the contract was pretty lacking in details, so what can you do after the fact? I kind of feel like if expectations aren't in writing and agreed to by both parties, we're just asking for disaster.
Still stinks though :( Hopefully they'll be understanding and work with you to do what they can to compensate you better after all.
Shoot, I got close to 2,000 for my wedding so I would tell them that what they think is fair is not and they need to give you ALL of your photos, edited or not!
64 pictures over a 2-3 our span? That is just pathetic!! To put it in perspective, I am in a photography class right now and I shot over 90 pictures on Sunday alone for my assignment... in about 30 minutes!
I would be really upset, too. Look at it this way, though; while I know you are out $275 and feel you are ripped off at least these idiots didn't photograph your wedding! Only 200-300 photos in a 8 hour span? I feel bad for the people who had these 2 shoot their "DAY." I would be irate if that was all I got.
Ugh. Not good. Obviously you were expecting one thing and they thought they were hired to do something else. Be relieve they didn't shoot your wedding!
Okay I chose the first option but only because it wasn't in the contract. Did you tell the photographer before hand that you wanted shots of and with all of your guests? I agree that it is a low amount but maybe you can go back and tell the photographer that you would like different black and white pictures instead of the same ones that you have in color, perhaps that will give you more variety. Also many of your guests may have brought digital cameras with them so you can send out feelers to see if they have any shots. I'm sure they do... ((HUGS))
I do think that you were wronged... but I'm not sure there is much you can do about it. I would understand if they didn't want to edit more photos than that, but there should BE more photos that they should give you. What the heck were they doing for 3 hours?? On the other hand, the fee you paid was really really small for 2 photogs for 2-3 hours, so I am not at all surprised. I'm really sorry this happened and that you're so disapointed. I hope that you are happier with your wedding photos.
I hired our photographer to do a mother-daughter session last year as a trial before the wedding. She shot for 3 hours, there were two wardrobe changes and two locations...and I got three discs with around 1500 images on them. Not all of them were edited, but about 75 were edited...and I paid $300.
I think that you got ripped off, but since their contract sounds like it was vague, I'm not sure what you can do about it. I would contact them again and politely ask again for the rest of your images...
I guess I'm the lone dissenter but I think you got a pretty normal deal. My husbandf and I just had a 2 hour anniversary shoot and paid $500 and got about 75 images. When we did our engagement photos, we did a 2 hour shoot, spent a fortune, and got about 80 images. Your package sounds similar to those we got.
it sounds like you may be out of luck, as far as the contract goes, but word of mouth goes a long way and they should make a good faith effort to produce more than 30 photos apiece for 3 hours of work. That is pathetic - like the other posters said - I shoot WAY more than that on a regular basis. And since they're professional, apparently, they probably have all of their photoshop presets for their editing, so really it sounded like they just brushed you off. I would pursue it if i were you, but not with a lawyer, with stern and honest words.
Did the pics look good, at least?
can i revote? i just thought about it, and that means they took 10 usable pics per person per hour. So maybe once or twice, every 10 minutes, they took their camera and got a candid. That's horrible. Did they sit at the buffet and pig out for 2.5 hours and then shoot the rest really fast at the end?
I think it's possible that this couple was not that experieinced and that they took hundreds more photos. The only ones that were of high enough quality to give you were the 62 photos. You did not contract for unedited images, so there's no way to know how many of those they shot.
I guess a good rule of thumb would be to ask to see all the unedited images from a photographer's shoot and the resulting edited images from the same shoot.
Thanks everyone for your input! I'm still feeling pretty bad about all this, especially since I really only received 51 photos (13 being b&w versions of the same color photos) and some of them are useless- like the one we call "closed chafing dish" or another favorite, "backs of heads". Trying to at least find some humor in the debacle. There are also another 5 that are restaurant/resort signs- "Cold Beer", "BBQ Sandwiches", "Cabin Guests Only".
We did contact the photogs and politely ask for additional unedited shots and explained that clearly we had different expectations based on the wording of the contract and are hoping that they will provide these as a resolution. The quality of the edited images was good- and I told them so, it is really just the quantity that is so disappointing. Fortunately, we have friends who took photos as well so we can piece together a decent collection. I'm starting to think though that even though I know they took many more images they just didn't take any that were of high enouqh quality to edit and give to us. In total there are 21 pictures that I like and am glad we have. The rest are just OK, not something you would put in an album or scrapbook. I think that 21 "good" photos for 6 hours of photography and $275 is a pretty crappy return. Once again, I'm so thankful that we didn't use them for the day of!
Hind sight is 20/20, and like pps have said a more clearly worded contract may have prevented this from happening.
That said, I would be hugely upset if this were me, and I would definitely ask for ALL of the images they took. If you're asking for them unedited, what could their justification possibly be in refusing to give them to you?
I am a photographer. I currently do not shoot weddings, but shoot a lot of family, baby, engagement pictures as a side business.
This is a tough matter with photographers because they technically did not do anything wrong because it was not specified in the contract that a certain number of pictures had to be delivered as a final product, or that would be required to provide you with all unedited images...
That said, I do think that you have every right to be upset. I do not think it is acceptable to provide you with a color and black and white version of the same photo and count that as a final photo. I will normally give my clients a CD of all color photos and then tell them that we can create black and white or other effect photos if they want them. The number of photos is strange. I shot a family session two weeks ago where I shot for 1.5 hours and provide them with 50 final photos. I am also confused why they did not try to systematically get pictures of a mojority of the guests!
Anyways, I am rambling, but I will just say I do not think what they did is right, but you may not get far complaining because they did not break their contract with you.
you might not be able to get a refund or anything -- but you can certainly review them publicly and let people know that you only got 64 photos (actually, 55, when you count the b/w doubles, right?) for a 3 hour shoot. that is really lame. i don't think it's a breach of contract, but is it poor workmanship? yes. let people know, in a calm and fair manner.
PS: and when they heard you were disappointed, they should simply have given you digitals of everything they shot. why not? i mean, why not just hand over the un-edited stuff? just for positive customer service?
I would have to say that most photographers around here when they shoot weddings and such say "at least X number of photos" when they do contracts and it's usually way more than that. Especially with 2 photographers there for 3 hours, you should have WAY more than that (and especially if 13 of the ones you got are just photoshopped B&W versions of color ones - that's ridiculous). I would have a serious talk with them about this and hopefully you didn't contract them for the wedding too (if so, what happend with the wedding photos?)
-Bella
Whoa! I'd be pretty upset too and even more upset if I had used them for the wedding. They think 200-300 photos for 8 hours of wedding coverage is reasonable?! They need a reality check! We got 800 edited photos for only 6 hours. It irks me to think that they are basically holding out on the photos because they have some number in their minds of the minimum they need to give you. Unless it's a really bad photo I think they should edit and give them all. Hopefully they will come around and at least give you the unedited ones.
I went to a friend's wedding and AS A GUEST took more photos than that, and I wasn't there 8 hours. :-/ And my photographer takes an average of 800-1000 pictures in a wedding. I don't know how they could have managed to get only 20 shots an hour; that's pretty insane for 2 photographers.
Yeah, I agree that 51 photos (not counting the B&W doubles) seems really low for 3 hours and 2 photographers! Honestly, I think you are doing this couple a favor by indicating your dissatisfaction. It sounds like they are young and just starting out, and hopefully they will take this as a learning experience and step up their coverage of future events. Their average number of photos for weddings sounds quite low to me. Most photographers I talked to offered X number of edited photos in their package, but also included all unedited images on their DVDs. I hope you get the unedited photos too! Please let us know how this turns out.
Wow, I really hope you keep us posted on the outcome. Hopefully they will do the right thing. I'm currently researching photographers and I can tell you that that is an extremely low number of pictures to provide for even 1 photographer for 1 hour let alone 2 for 2 or 3 hours. And I haven't found any packages, even budget packages that offer as few as 200-300 images for an 8 hour wedding shoot. You definitely got ripped off. I hope you will post reviews for these photographers on as many wedding websites as possible so other couples don't hire them as they will surely be disappointed if this is how they choose to do business. So sorry this happened to you! Be glad it was only the rehearsal and not the wedding- yikes!!
Technically, they did what was in the contract, but I would be walking around the house cursing their name! I would also be posting all over the web about how disappointed I was!
I haven't read what the others have said yet but I'm not sure that this is really a "rip off". It definitely stinks and you should of gotten more pictures but because you didn't specify in the contract a general amount I think they can get away with 64 pictures. I guess its true when they say you have to write everything out in detail on a contract. They are probably new in the business so hopefully they learn better business practices. I'm glad you didn't spend a lot, sorry it didn't work out the way you wanted it to :o(
We had our ONE photog for 7 hours at our wedding and she provided 990 pictures, about 200 of which are editied. I don't blame you for being angry. I would call back and insist they provide at least 100 more.
Good luck! The hive vibes are backing you!
Update: The photographers have agreed to send me an additional 26 unedited images. It's better than nothing I guess but I'll know for sure once I see them. An interesting note- they are sending 26 because they said that would bring the total number of images to 100. Sooo 64 + 26 = 100? I'm hoping I will actually get 36 but I'm not holding my breath. Thanks everyone for your support on this- I feel better knowing I'm not alone in thinking we got slighted. We definitely learned to make sure any contracts we sign are explicit in the details as there are no surprises.
I'd review them somewhere. I'm all about the negative web review. You don't have to get real nasty or anything, though. Just present the facts of the situation and let the reader take away from it what they will.
Wow, 64 photos for 2-3 hours? That's terrible. Yes, you didn't specify who you wanted pictures of and what pictures you wanted, but they should definitely have been able to provide more than 64 photos out of 3 hours. That's ridiculous. Especially because there were 2 photographers. I would definitely post some negative comments about this couple.
Man when I shoot for three hours, I shoot several hundred photos. I can shoot 64 photos in 10 minutes. You were ripped off. If it's a couple and they're local, a threat of your bad word-of-mouth could be enough of an incentive to get them to give up a few more shots.
(Oh and as a side-note...If I had a photog shoot for 8 hours and only provide 200 photos I'd be SUPER EXTRA PISSED...)
Maybe they'll send you 1 picture in 26 different ways (Black and White, Color, Sepia...)
Thats so annoying, I'm sorry!!
I'm glad you're going to get the remaining unedited photos. I am suprised that it's such a low number. We got all the images from our wedding day and I think we several hundred photos, maybe even close to 1000 during the 5 hours of coverage.
LOL DaisyBride.. and then I started thinking about that and got worried. But I'm hoping by at least asking for unedited images that won't happen. Of course that doesn't mean I won't get 26 images of the same scene taken in sequence over 26 seconds. Maybe it will be a 26 page flip book of a busboy replenishing the ribs on the buffet. Can you imagine? Gotta laugh so you don't cry sometimes!
Jessie- we're not getting the remaining images. Only the 26 that they are choosing to send to us because we aren't happy with only receiving the original 64 (which is really 51 since 13 are b&w copies of color pictures- a point that irritates me more and more each time I think about it!) But I am grateful that they have agreed to that much at this point.
Here's another thing I'm kicking myself over... We also tipped them before getting the images. (I know, I know). But they were so fun and seemingly nice that we never dreamed they would have such different expectations on the number of photos that would be appropriate. And to their credit, once again, on the photos that they did give us they did a nice job on the editing. Nothing fancy mind you, but the pictures are very clear with sharp colors and contrast. I do have 20-25 "favorites" that I'm glad to have. I just think I should have considerably more.
Sadly thought allot of photogs in my area show up for the recption and 2 hours at the ceremony with limmited pics for 600 dollars unless you want to pay 1000 around here you really dont get a good deal. So at least you didnt fork out that kinda cash.
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Hey Bees!
I'm feeling really taken advantage of by my photogs but before I take any action I thought I'd ask the hive if I'm overreacting. Here's the story... We just had a destination wedding about 7 hours away from where we live. Instead of a rehearsal dinner we had a "Welcome to Our Wedding Weekend" BBQ for our 62 out-of-town guests. I thought it would be cool to have a photographer shoot the BBQ so we would have some casual pictures of our friends and family. We ended up hiring a young local couple who promised us "2 photographers for 2-3 hours and a dvd of edited images". The price was right at $275 so we signed the contract and looked forward to seeing what this young couple would shoot.
They were really cute and nice at the rehearsal BBQ so we were excited to see the finished product. Well we got that edited dvd today and it included a total of 64 pictures. 13 of which were simply black & white versions of the same pictures in color. We had asked for candids so there wasn't a shot list but we thought most of the guests would be included. Of our 62 guests, 21 weren't even in the background of a single picture. I was so upset I immediately contacted the photographers to see if they would send us more photos, even if they were unedited. They responded that since there wasn't an exact number of pictures in the contract they chose what they thought was "a decent amount". They said that when they shoot weddings for 8 hours they provide 200-300 images so they thought giving us "about a third of that" would be about right. They also said that if we wanted specific people included in photos we should have provided that info and they felt they captured the ambience of the event because the majority of guests (41 out of 62 were in a photo.
I'm just sick about this! But very grateful we didn't use them for the actual wedding day! Before I post a negative review for them and before I drive my new husband crazy as I walk around muttering "64 &^%*&$$#@* pictures!!" tell me if I'm justified in being furious or if I'm just suffering from some kind of post-wedding letdown. Would love to hear from any professionals out there as well. Thanks hive! Sorry for the long post