Post # 1
This has come up in a discussion between Fiance and I lately. Someone we know has been given a “promotion.” Basically what it comes down to is that this person is taking on more responsibility, but is receiving no more money. This is not a salaried position. In fact, it’s a job that, although this person has a college degree, only requires a H.S. diploma.
Fiance and I both say that a promotion, by definition, involves a raise in salary. Otherwise it’s a a lateral move. This person disagrees and is adament about getting his “promotion.” But then again this person also thinks that marketing and public relations are the same thing and keeps applying for marketing jobs even though his degree is in P.R.
Post # 3
I think usually a promotion comes with a salary increase. However, I’m planning on asking for a promotion at a place where I have interned for 2 years so that my job title more accurately reflects what I do. I don’t want a salary increase because they can’t really afford it. The “promotion” would be mostly to improve my resume since I am looking for a full time position in my field (which they can’t offer me due to budget constraints). I love working there, they love having me, but I’ve been looking for a new job since I graduated. They know I’m looking for another job and have promised to keep me around until I find something full time. Lately, they’ve been putting me in charge of the other interns, which seems weird since I’m technically in the same position as them. They treat me like a staff member, so I just want the job title to reflect that.
ETA: Generally speaking, I would not accept a promotion with more responsibility and the same pay unless I really wanted the additional responsibilities.
Post # 4
While marketing and public relations are not the same thing, they degrees are very similar. I have a degree in PR but work in marketing. I believe that a promotion is a increase in title and responsibilities, while it is nice to get a raise with those increased responsibilities, in this economy it isn’t always expected.
Post # 5
I would consider a promotion without a raise still a true promotion if it opened up more/quicker opportunities for a raise sooner that the previous job.
Like, if you’re working one job 40 hrs/week with no further raise in the semi-near future and then you’re “promoted” to a job thats 40+ hrs/week with the possibility of a raise soon. Or if both jobs have the possibility of a raise fairly nearby, if the job you’re “promoted” to has a higher raise than the original job’s raise, I would view it as a promotion for sure. Ahh I’m terrible at explaining. Ok, here’s an example:
A friend of mine was working and he got a promotion. He had to work more hours without a raise with the initial promotion, but it came with a guarantee that if he continued to work at the same capacity he was working at, he had the possibility to receive a pay raise every six months. With his original job, there was no way to earn a raise for at least a few years.
But, with that said, most promotions do come with a raise. But I don’t look at the definition of a promotion as a black or white definition.
Sorry if I make no sense.
Post # 6
I think it depends on a number of different things and probably changes at every company. I know of someone who was promoted to receive more responsibility and “Senior” in their title but no more money. Since she was in the top of her pay bracket for her original position (ex. making 25k in a 20-25k bracket) she didn’t get a raise (ex. making 25k in a 25-30k bracket) BUT this now meant that she would be eligable for raises in the future and she wasn’t in the old position. So, she didn’t get a raise but financially the promotion was still benefitial… if that makes sense!!
Post # 7
A promotion absolutely does not guarantee more money! Perhaps you move from a regular teammate to team lead for no extra money. Yes it is more responsiblity and more work which sucks. The good thing is that it positions you to take another manager job when one opens.
Sometimes you’ve just gotta suck it up for a while and then the pay will hopefully catch up. If the pay doesn’t catch up, then you move on some where else with new experience under your belt.
Post # 8
I was just kind of curious about how everyone else viewed this. This extra responsibility has no guarantee of a raise in the future. This person has only been at the job for about six months. I suspect that this person is just now learning the rest of the job he was initially hired to do.
As far as the marketing thing goes. Fiance has a marketing degree so he’s the one who is adament about PR and marketing not being the same thing. He says that marketing takes place before the sale and P.R. takes place after the sale.
Post # 9
I agree, to me the definition of promotion includes a salary increase.
There might be a few exceptions, like if the pay structure is completely different (commission/hourly/salary etc). I would also consider it a promotion if other methods of compensation like benefits were significantly increased but the direct pay wasn’t.
If responsibilities change, but the compensation remains exactly the same, I wouldn’t call it a promotion.
Post # 10
The company I work for most definately a promotion does not always include a raise
Post # 11
@Sugaree: Often times a promotion may be in title and not in pay.
Post # 12
I think that often times promotions come with an increase in salary but not always. Just because you aren’t earning more money doesn’t mean there wasn’t a promotion.
Post # 13
Sometimes firms give promotions without raises because they don’t have the budget, but they want to recognize what you’ve done–a “pity promotion”, as it were. Not very satisfying, but it’s still a promotion.
Post # 14
I’m in IT and in most every job I’ve had, a raise was common when you got a promotion but was NOT promised, implied or guaranteed. In some cases the biggest benefit of a promotion is to move you a step further in your career. PP made the example of going from an individual teammate to a team leader; you would essentially be learning a new skill and using the company as your “sandbox” which in and of itself has significant non-monetary value.
Post # 15
At my company, a promotion almost always comes with a raise. In fact, it’s harder to get the title than the $ since everything is so political. I know of an ex employee who resigned because she had been here for 5 years and hadn’t been promoted, our boss offered her a huge raise to stay but said they couldn’t change her title for at least a year, so she left.