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So I decided to start my own since I hi-jacked this thread: http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/should-i-be-upsetsadannoyed/page/2
So to sum things up. FI has a very close relationship with his mom and sister. No biggie right, that's a good thing. But he constantly puts their needs/wants/feelings before mine. We've been together 5.5 years and this sore subject has come up many times, always ending with me hoping that once we're married and I was his family that I would be #1. Well last night, we were having an argument and I started blurting out EVERYTHING that was bothering me. Including this. I said that I'd hoped that after we got married *our* family would be his first priority. (also adding something in between tears about how I thought I had become his family all this time) His response: My family will always come before you!
So now we're 5 months away from the wedding and I don't know what to do. We were fighting about something else at the time so he could have said it out of anger, but again, not the first time this topic has come up and not the first time he's flat out told me I'd never be his #1... I told him I'd start calling to undo this whole wedding but he said we should take it "one day at a time" but do I even want to?!
Does he understand that YOU become his family? I dont understand why he would even get married then. He should feel free to marry his mom or sister.
I have no advice for you but i can vent to the heavens with you! That is a NASTY thing for him to say. He'd better have said in the heat of the moment and not really mean it. I dont even know what I would do : (((HUGS)))
You know how I feel from the other thread. I have left men for less than this :(
Thanks! Actually the other week he finally started opening up about the whole process of what FINALLY made him decide to propose. His sister! She told him "it's time" and he didn't even tell his parents until after he bought the ring becuase he knew (and was right) they'd be upset about it. ...again WHY WOULD YOU TELL YOUR FI THIS?! So clearly, I have a right to feel unwelcomed around his family!
I know, he's a boy and maybe he didn't mean it like that...that his sister was the reason he proposed, but it's kind of hard to forget. I mean he didn't say something like: TALKING to my sister I realized I wanted to marry you. He just said to put it bluntly: because she told me to.
Sorry, but this would be a deal breaker for me. YOU are his family, and once you get married, YOUR FAMILY comes first. I am so blessed that this was never ever an issue with us and our families, but if it were, I woudln't have married him.
Wow, just wow. There is no way I'd be even remotely ok with that attitude. Maybe he said that in anger...but even so...that's no excuse.
No, just no. Is that really what you want? To always be second? You deserve someone who will put you first (as you will put him first).
I'm not advising you to do this, I am just telling you what I would do if my husband ever said that to me. I'd leave. I agree that I am his family now, the one that he should back first.
That said, there is something that I know sort of comes before me, but I don't think my husband realizes it or does it intentionally. He is in line to take over the family ranch, which will make us beau-coup bucks, so he is very concerned about doing right by his job. Sometimes I get the shaft, but I bring it up, and he works hard to try and make me happy, so I don't nag him about it. It isn't an intentional slight. But if he said, " -blank- comes first," I'd be over it. No, I come first until there are children, and then we share priority, just like he comes first in my life.
Whaaaaaa? To answer the title of your post "No and NOOO". I would try and have a conversation when things aren't heated and see if he really feels that way but if he does that is a ginormous red flag.
This is definitely a deal breaker for me. Get married means you're creating a new nuclear family. You HAVE to be his top priority. No matter what.
I just wrote a post on a tpoic similiar ro this. My FI is always on the phone with his mother (about three times a day), and jumps to his families every need. On the other hand, I get tough love!! I understand your frustrations and wish you luck. I plan on addressing this topic with my FI this weekend.
Hon, if this has been goin going on for 5.5 years, then get ready for 30 more years if you marry him.
I am really actually very upset for you. If his family hates you so much and they come first in his life, don't even give him a chance to see you leave. Leave while he's at work. You deserve better!!
I guess I would have to ask how he puts his family before you. ALL the time?
For my husband and I we are definitely each others #1 priority. But sometimes life takes you in directions in which family HAS to come first. But even with that it was a mutual decision that we made together. If that makes any sense.
If he really puts his family before you all the time and especially on the important things then I think a serious discussion needs to be had.
NO and NO. There's been times (rarely) that he has, but the closer we get to being married the more he puts me first.. because he realizes that WE'RE a team and a family unit in itself.
Uhm....not okay. And it'll only continue (and get worse) if you do get married.
And when you threatened to call off the wedding he said "we'll take it one step at a time" instead of "no! I love you!"???
I agree with @Gerbera: there are times when each other's family needs to be a priority but overall YOU and the family the two of you create should be his first priority. Had my DH ever said this to me I think that I would have left. You and your FI should be a team, facing the world together. If his family comes before you, it will always be his family and him vs. you and that's no way to create a lasting relationship.
I'll echo what some of the other Bees have said. Once you guys get married YOU need to be his top priority. Sit down with him and clarfiy what he means. Ask him why he thinks he should put his family before his wife when you will BECOME his family. I'd also figure out what he means by he'll put them first. See if it's something you can deal with or not. Only you can decide if this is something you guys can work out and live with or if it's a deal breaker.
That is horrid. Does he not understand what marriage is? It creates a NEW family. Surely it does not mean his "old" family is null and void, but you two will be starting a new family and YOU will be his family and #1 priority! What about kids, I bet those will come behind mommy too, right??? What a dick!
My husband and I made it very clear to each other that we come first. He is my #1, and I am his. We still make that very clear to each other. My mother once started to quasi badmouth him, and I put a stop to it right then and there. Let me tell you, it's awesome that not only does he tell me that he always has my back, but he shows it too.
If he told me "my family will always come first" as often as yours has (not just in anger is what I'm reading from your post) while we were still engaged, especially if he did it because someone else told him to....I believe I would have left. Because I would want him to be with the person he could put first, be it another woman, or his sister and mother.
My husband's dad and brother passed away last year, two weeks after our wedding. Ever since then I have not been #1 and it makes me angry. He feels so sorry for his mom, and is at her every beck and call. They talk on the phone almost every night for 30-60 minutes and he goes to church with her every Sunday. (He used to only go to church on Christmas and Easter.) I really wish that getting married bumped me up in priority, but I feel like our relationship has been bumped down or maybe even put on hold. I think MIL knows she has the upper hand with him and takes advantage of it, always pulling him away from me.
@Just_Squeeze: I was thinking the same thing. I mean it was better than what I expected. I expected something spitful again, like "GOOD!" or something. So for him...that was actually a positive thing. But yes, in my heart I was praying he'd say something like "I love you, and I DO want to marry you"
@JamieinMN: I think you hit the nail on the head. I don't think he realizes that our NEW family doesn't diminish his family.
And yes, I understand in some situations his family SHOULD come first, but those aren't the situations we're talking about. It's little things here and there. Like if we're at a family event I become invisible the minute we walk in and he sees his sister or mom.
I have made it extremely clear that I will and am already my SO's #1 most important person, and he mine. I understand that family is important but he should never make a blanket statement that you will always come after his mother and sister. That will create massive issues and resentment in you marriage. This is not a one day at a time kind of thing. If he cannot make a conscious decision to start putting you first then you need to make a decision on if you can always come second when you always put him first.
You are always going to feel second best and that isn't going to keep you happy for very long.
@Gerbera: Said if perfectly. I adore my FMIL and now that she is getting older and there are health concerns I'm on board with doing whatever we have to make her comfortable. There have been times where FH has had to help her out financially with issues (and wasn't able to fully help me). We made those decisions together. It wasn't well you just gonna have to deal with it. This would defintely have me pump the breaks on any talks of marriage. If two people have tottally different values on the definition of who takes priority in a marriage, I forsee nothing but problems.
This is not OK with me. AT ALL.
I understand that sometimes I will have to graciously take the back seat to preserve peace, or that mom or sister SHOULD be given priority (IE its their birthday and they want to go to a seafood restaurant even though I am allergic to seafood. They get to choose. I can eat bread and butter).
But at the end of the day it shouldn't be a competition and it should be about respect for everyone and he should do his best to make everyone comfortable. BUT if it came down to it, I will be number one. (assuming I am rational about whatever is going on)
Any decision we make together. Decisions that affect us as well as his or my own family. We are now a team.
@yellowshoe: If your best friend told you the stories you've told us, what advice would you give her? I bet you'd tell her to run, and fast. Which is exactly what you should do. Don't marry this man.
I went to pre-cana this past weekend (Catholic pre-marital counseling) and there was a "case study' of your exact situation, a guy who put his mother first. Of the 73 couples in attendance, 100% thought the guy was in the wrong.
The priest who was leading the discussion went on to tell a story of a couple who came to pre-cana a few years ago and the guy told her flat out that she would never be #1. This was 1 month before their wedding and she called it off. She is now engaged to a new guy and is beyond happpy and has no reservations about their future family.
After your wedding day, he's not going to magically change. I know calling off your wedding would be devastating, but I'm concerned why he doesn't even see it as an issue that he wouldn't put you and your (yours and his) family first in his life.
the bible even says that the Lord comes first, then your spouse and then family.
personally, i would never stay with someone that put their family before me. i left my ex for this reason. i thought it would change but it didn't. he has established the pecking order, it is up to you to accept or reject it...but trust me, he is not going to change. men like that don't. save yourself the time, money and attorney's fees. walk away.
@yellowshoe:That is just sad :-( I suggest you have a talk with him, help him understand the meaning of marriage. If he can't understand, maybe a marriage counselor, or if worst comes to worst he just isn't suitable to marry. You, and each and every one of us deserve the very best.
A very wise person once told me...
Someday your kids will be grown, and your parents will die.
Then, the only person you have standing beside you will be your husband.
So what is your choice?
Which is why, I never get why parents put their kids - when they have them - before their spouse (a topic for another day of course); or, as OP is experiencing, their parents before their spouse.
So honestly, I'd ask your husband what is in italics, and find out what he has to say. Family may be family - these are the people who raised you to become a self-sufficient, confident, ADULT. To spread your wings, make mistakes on your own. To find a partner to start your own life with - and so goes the tree of life.
This is very serious, OP. He is treating you like a 2nd class person, back of the boat/bus thank you very much. For someone who is professing to love, honour, and cherish you in a few months - it sure doesn't sound like he is willing to do so.
Is there perhaps, a clergy person he could or you could speak with? Hopefully they would point out, that Men are supposed to leave their mother's and a woman leaves her home, and those 2 become one!
RM
Well, how do you mean he puts his family first? I'm really close to my mom and if she needed something important, you best believe I will cancel plans with Mr. Tattoo to be there.
However, I do not allow my family to bad mouth him and I will always defend him. I may not be close to my little sister, but I will fight a bitch for talking about her and I have snapped at Mr. Tattoo for yelling at her about something.
So before I give any advice, how does he put his family first?
@r0ddysm0m: It's great to have your perspective on these boards!
I would not put up with this. YOU are his family and his mom and sister should come second to you, not before you. My mom said my dad never stood up for her and always put his family first and now they are divorced. This is a serious issue and he should understand that is not okay!
@r0ddysm0m: okay, REALLY SERIOUS this time. Can you call my FMIL and FI and tell them how to be like you? =)
@Miss Tattoo: This is probably the best example I can come up with. Early on in our relationship we were having a romantic lunch that went so well it turned into a night in. He'd said he didn't even want to leave to go get dinner so we just decided to watch a movie at home... (keeping this g-rated) And then his sister called. She wanted popsicles from trader joes, why couldn't she go get it herself? She "wasn't feeling well"...no not like dying or so sick she even needs to see a doctor, she was just too damn lazy and already in bed to go get them herself. honestly, who eats popsicles when they're sick? So GUESS WHO GETS ASKED TO LEAVE SO HE CAN GO TO TRADER JOES...yuuup I should've left and never looked back. *sigh* hindsight is always 20/20
So he was so into you that you skipped dinner and snuggled in for a movie. Then sis calls wanting her snack and he drops everything and runs. Not cool. (Unless she was on crutches and pregnant, not cool).
No! It is not okay! And please don't marry him if you're thinking that it's been 5.5 years and he asked you to marry him, and all of this time together has to mean something, and if you don't marry him then it would be a waste of time! A waste of time would be like the women in my family, who got married, and now in their old age are bitter and jaded about love and marriage, and separated from their husbands. Marry someone who genuinely wants to marry you, who is willing to work on you with issues you might have, who thinks about your future together without placing you as an outsider to "his family", who proposed for more than just "my sister told me to".
Your instincts are telling you, hell no do not settle for this crap now. You should trust that because if you put away those emotions right now, they will definitely come back later on and fester inside of you. My dad put his mom first in the beginning of my parents marriage. My grandmother abused my mom, and he didn't stand up for her. My parents had me when they were 41 (I have an older brother), and by that point, my mom's resentment had festered and was oozing anger all over the place. I grew up with all of that, and while I definitely learned a lot about what to demand from a relationship and how to stand up for myself, it definitely sucked a lot growing up with that.
@Just_Squeeze: EXACTLY! And I swear I'll reply to your PM when I get home. I can skim these messages and blink back the tears, but I know I can't hold it in if I get into it. :(
@yellowshoe: So why have YOU put up with this all this time? Its not about him anymore its about YOU. Why was this acceptable to YOU? You accepted it that night and all the times since. You accepted it when you went ahead with this marriage proposal. You consented to this behavior all along...why?
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