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I'm so scared right now...
FI put in for vacation for last Friday a couple weeks ago and it was approved. Somehow something got messed up and they have him down as a no call/no show instead of on vacation. His card to clock in doesn't work. His employee number is deleted, but they had him stay for some reason. If he can find the paper copy if his vacation request he MAY be ok.
But that is still just a maybe. They will fire him to save face and not have to admit they messed up. God I'm freaking out. If they fire him for this he doesn't get unemployment and my salary will so not support us both. He is the main bread winner. Fuck...
That's bull. He should really, really, try to find that paper approval/email/ something from whoever approved it.
I'm so sorry you're going through this :( Otherwise, the only thing I can think of is start looking right away and see what areas you can cut back.
But if they fire him even after he proves they approved it, I'd be looking into legal advice - even if it's a right to work state, firing him for something that isn't true doesn't seem right.
Breathe. It will be ok. I'm sorry you guys are going through this.
My company has paper copies of vacation requests and they keep a copy of them in our own folders. Do they have something like that? If he was a no show, why didn't they call him? My company would have been calling like crazy if I hadn't shown up. How long has he been there? Does he have a good history (i.e. showing up on time, not a lot of sick days, does good work, etc)? If he does, perhaps he can use that as leverage. Also, who did he turn in the sheet too - do they remember getting it or signing it? At my work, you have to put a reason for leave down so most people remember what you are going to do.
Why wouldn't he get unemployment?
If he does get fired he may still qualify for unemployment. My cousin was fired from a part time job and still recieved some. So, if it does happen call them up and speak to a real person to see what they can do. Also, keep on them because with my experiences they need to be reminded of your case to do any work on it. Good luck!
Does he work corperate, or retail, food service?
It may depend on where he works and how long he has worked their!
YIKES. Please keep us updated, Im so sorry this happend :(
His immediate boss is a witness but his boss won't say anything. These people will throw anyone under the bus to make themselves look great. His boss is the worst of them all.
In my state they could fire him for wearing blue shoes when they said they prefer red. In those cases they would have to pay unemployment but it's about 1/4 of what he would make.
@Corilee13: (((((HUGS!!!!!))))) Hopefully he found a copy and they'll admit they screwed up.
If not, he should be able to get unemployment because he has proof they were in the wrong. (FINGERS CROSSED!!!!! that he found the slip and it shows it was approved!)
@BackyardLoveBird: I'd be getting calls/texts from my work, too! (In fact, I was off sick one day and got a text about something work related. ugh, thanks for ruining my sleep! lol)
I'm also pretty paranoid about something like this happening, so I do all my requests through email. It's a legal document and it shows that I DID send it, so they can't argue when it was sent or to who.
Good luck!!! Hopefully it turns out better than you expect!!!!
He wouldn't get unemployment because it's an attendance reason. His boss remembers getting the paper but won't say a damn word to help him out. He has been there 6 years and is one of the shift trainers now and has double the productivity of the next best employee, but they will make an example of him. And it's the employees responsibility to keep the paper copies, they don't have them in the files.
He works for Target Distribution. And has been there 6 years with a good record. They like to make examples of people. They just fired someone who's wife died a month ago because his productivity slipped a little bit. He had been there 25 years. They LOVE to remind people that there are hundreds out there that will do their job for half the pay...
Oooh I HATE Right to Work states!!! Unions are the only defense against employers, since the whole US is an At Will employment status. You feel like you always have to be performing, performing, performing, even when awful things go on in your life. Your employer should not be the enemy!
@Corilee13: wow, they sound like real a$$holes. I think I'd be looking for a different job anyway. But I know it's not very easy to do right now. Sounds like his best bet is to find anyone who will say 'yep, he submitted it' or find any email, scrap of paper, ANYTHING that shows he submitted it.
He would have found another job by now if his wasn't the best paying in the area. This sucks ass...
All of my fingers and toes are crossed for you. Assholes, is right. A man loses his wife and is grieving and for that, after 25 years, they fire him? That's just sick.
@Just_Squeeze:I know, I felt sick after hearing that. Thank you for the crossed fingers. I'm praying my ass off right now. He gets lunch around 11 (yeah they are making him work the day without telling him anything) and is off at 4:30. God this is driving me nuts...
OMG I am so sorry. I would be freaking too. But I will cross my fingers that he is able to find a paper copy of his request and everything will work out!! They sound like a shady company from what you said though, so if he is fired, it will suck until he can find work, but maybe its a blessing in disguise. I would hate to be the guy that lost his wife and his income omfg. I am so sorry. My fingers are crossed and I am sending a prayer your way.
@organizedbride11:Thank you. I am fairly certain I saw the paper in his truck. I stepped on it and I remember him putting it in the glove box or center console. I don't know if he has been able to check there yet (they don't let you leave the building on your breaks) but I am 90% sure I saw it there. I've already found him a couple jobs at a similar company. We may need to move...
Its his lunch and they still haven't told him anything. God I want to puke....
Ok so he just said they may not be able to fire him. Company policy is that he has to be put on corrective action first, which he isn't. If they fire him without that it would look bad for them. But he still wont know until the end of the day.
@Corilee13: wow that story about productivity after a death is disgusting...wow.
Praying for the best!
@Eva Peron:Thank you I do apprecaite it. Here is another update. Even though they haven't told him anything he is in the system as both a no call no show AND on vacation. He still wont know until the end of the day if he is fired or not but still it sounds like a lot of computer mess ups they that may fault him for.
@MickyLovesMinnie: I don't really feel like explaining everything but here goes just for you...
My FI's position is a 6 figure a year job. The grunts there make 40k and he is a supervisor/trainer.
I ended up not buying the earrings but I ususally put jewelry on my Harry Ritchies account. Yep, I'm irresponsible and use a credit card that I make payments on.
I am a marketing coordinator for the Y. I don't make what FI makes because I work for a non-profit.
I ALSO said I was missing a lot of things when it came to my sister beyond money (because I wasn't going to ask my FI to pay for my sister) but also things like time, emotional readiness, etc. I didn't flat out refuse. You make me sound incredibly selfish. Thanks for that. I also was denied by CSD when I ended up applying for foster care rights because of my work/school schedule. Didn't update that because honestly I forgot but there you go. I got enough shit from people that I tried.
I also said I am buying the dresses for a wedding that is a year away. I have ONE dress to buy that is that style/price. The other is cheaper. BUT I HAVEN'T BOUGHT THEM YET.
Is that enough detail for you or would you like some more?
@MickyLovesMinnie: For real? That seems a little off topic. I don't recall the OP putting her personal finances up for discussion...this thread is about her FI's job.
@MickyLovesMinnie: I understand where you are coming from but that came off a little harsh.
We've seen it all too often the last few years - a family/couple doing very well, one spouse loses their job and all of a sudden the people who've haven't had to worry about finances are suddenly in big trouble.
Anyway, back on topic, I hope your FI hasn't cleaned out his truck since you saw the paper!
@Corilee13: If the computer says "vacation" AND "no call/no show", then why would they blame it on him? That's completely unprofessional! How terrible! It might not be a bad idea to start looking for a new position anyway.
@Corilee13: You're a better person than I am. No way I would have dignified that post with a response. I get the same judgement from people and it pisses me off. Everyone has their reasons for what they do and everyone has a unique situation. I hope you don't feel like you have to defend yourself or justify what you do to some random stranger with an attitude problem.
To add---I really, really, really am not trying to call you out or rile anyone up. I just see obvious ways that your situation can be helped that NO ONE else seems to be seeing!
I hope you find that piece of paper. My husband needs leave passes for his job (military) and he always *tries* to put them in a good spot, but sometimes life is just busy and we throw them around.
Hope it all works out!
@MickyLovesMinnie:She didn't ask anyone to critique her lifestyle! Just show some support, or GTFO, sheesh!
@MickyLovesMinnie: But what is your point? I don't give a rat's ass how much money Corilee has and even though we're just cyber buddies, I think very highly of her.
Her post is about the primary bread winner in the family potentially losing his job while they are planning a wedding. (Hell, even if they weren't planning a wedding, it's still awful).
Should I go back to all your old posts and put them under a microscope?
Yes, please.
But seriously---one issue is never just one issue. You can always look over old posts and see what can be done to HELP THE CURRENT PROBLEM.
And I stated in my first post---if he talked to HR about vacation. HR will have a record. This one slip of paper business is silly. There will be more documentation then that.
Is there a full moon out today, or what?
Corilee - please keep us posted. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
That totally sucks. Please keep us updated once he can try to find the slip of paper. This place sounds awful, but I understand. My Dad doesn't like his job but he's been there a long time and makes way more than he would if he were to leave.
If they put him all through this and then he finds the proof, I hope they actually apologize. Not that they will and not that they will do anything about it, but they should. Don't they realize that having hardworking employees is way more valuable than constantly looking at the bottom line? And they wonder why our country is in so much trouble...ugh.
Oh, and focus on those who are allowing you to vent and give you support. It seems like that's what you originally posted for...a place to vent and to have others rooting for you in a time of need.
Honestly you guys can scream and call me names all you want, but the only thing I have done is point out that the OP posted many things and they don't all fit together. And when you get THAT defensive about it--that says something.
Just_Squeeze (message) September 11, 2010 Ottawa
@MickyLovesMinnie: But what is your point? I don't give a rat's ass how much money Corilee has and even though we're just cyber buddies, I think very highly of her.
Her post is about the primary bread winner in the family potentially losing his job while they are planning a wedding. (Hell, even if they weren't planning a wedding, it's still awful).
Should I go back to all your old posts and put them under a microscope?
The above post is the point. Until today, it doesn't sound like she has had to worry about finances. It's a different story if she's been posting how she doesn't have money, can't pay for this or that, and yet still posts about buying $700 earrings and what not. If her FI loses his job, all of a sudden *now* she has financial worries.
DH and I bought a $1400 nice leather couch after our wedding. We can afford it, and we got it. If he lost his job tomorrow (he makes $12,000 more than me, I'm guessing Corilee's FI and her have a much bigger gap), that would be bad for us. We could no longer afford that $1400 couch.
DH didn't have a job until 2 months before the wedding (just graduated). I paid for the majority of the wedding. We booked what we could afford. Had I lost my job, we could no longer have afforded the wedding.
I don't think it's fair to judge peoples' past finances based on current (or pending) circumstances. I'm sure if at the end of the day today, her FI doesn't have a job, she will not buy $700 earrings tomorrow.
@Just_Squeeze:Awwww! ;-) You're so sweet. Thanks girrrrrrrrl. I'm such a beech sometimes :-D
@MickyLovesMinnie: That still doesn't really apply. If she could afford to buy some spendy earrings a few weeks ago when her FI didn't have to worry about his job (though she didn't end up buying them), why is that a problem? If she can afford to save up for a few months to buy her BM dresses while her FI isn't worried about his job, then why shouldn't she?
Point being, there is no reason to critique her lifestyle if that's what they can afford at that time. Things can always change at the drop of a hat, so sometimes going back to those old posts doesn't have any relevance.
My position is often just like hers. FI whoops my ass in income and I am able to have some nicer things than I otherwise would if I was to just rely on my income. If FI lost his job, that would change. Maybe I bought something a few weeks ago that was expensive and I can't return it. I might regret the purchase after the fact, but how was I supposed to know?
Your comment about HR was really the only thing you posted that actually contributed to this thread, and I fail to see how you could believe otherwise.
ETA: Looks like someone beat me to it. Also, if the rest of the thread thinks you are out of line, doesn't that say something?
I had saved up some money. I find ways to pay off things and I didnt want to say this but I was going to have a china dress maker make replicas of the dresses. That is why price doesn't matter, I'll get them for cheaper in the end.
And as for my fair weather friends, I said I spoil people. I don't buy anything that isn't on clearance. I have nice things that come from eBay for 1/8th the price in stores. Do you still want more detail? A copy of my bank statement and a list of my purchases perhaps? Or how about this: I have an old car, that frees up some cash. I buy knockoffs and clearance items, the earrings would have been the only thing, so that frees up some wiggle room. When I don't have cash I use credit, within reason. I also work a job that provides no benefits. I pay my own health insurance and it costs when I take vacation so that kills a bit of my funds. You good now on the detail or shall I provide my bank account number?
You say no one has thought of these suggestions. Do you honestly believe I havent thought of these things? Do you REALLY believe I will continue my life the way I have when I am the only income? Seriously.
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