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My husband and I aren't religious. I was raised Catholic but have not been to church in many years. I do believe there is a higher power, but I'm still figuring out my feelings about the whole thing. Religious people don't make me uncomfortable but I choose not to engage in religious discussion often because I don't feel I'd have anything really informed to say.
My husband on the other hand is a staunch atheist. He gets very uncomfortable when people default to religion in casual conversation. The other day we were talking to a friend (very religious) and she said "Jesus will guide you if you open your heart to him." When my husband tried to change the subject to something else, her faithful views kept popping up in the conversation. He became frustrated and ended up leaving (he didn't say anything to her, but I could tell he was getting annoyed).
So what's your take? Should people not assume you share their religious beliefs in conversation? Or is it just how some people were raised, no big deal (my take on it)? For that matter, do door to door preachers bother you at all?
My grandparents and most of my extended (but very close) family are religious, but my close family isn't. It depends who it's coming from, and how they're approaching it, but for the most part it's okay... not my favorite topic of conversation, but I don't avoid it entirely. I also went to Christian school, so I'm knowledgable enough not to feel in the dark on pretty much every issue/bible quote/story/christian perspective.
Heck, I even check out the WB christian boards from time to time to see interesting things :).
I chose "It's a little preachy"
I think that what you believe should come out in your daily life... If I love Jesus then it shouldn't be something that people one day go "Oh she was a Christian?..."
I have God in every part of my life so it comes up generally in any topic.
I find that the "uncomfortableness" that you talk about your husband having is found just as much in Christians as people that have other beliefs. From what I've seen and in my own study and discussion I've found that conviction = offense. When someone feels cornered in their way not being right they want to duck out. Christians & Non-Christians alike... =/
Just what I've seen in others, but primarily my own life.... turns out I don't like being told or made to feel I need to "shape up" either. *who knew* lol
I'm not religious. However, I was sent to Catholic schools and have read the bible full through 2 times which very few people can actually say. My entire extended family (my parents are not religious) however reference god constantly. They are also the people who consistently preach through facebook as well and tell me to "look to god for the answers" when I am complaining about my day at work or something. However, I just let it go.
DH's family are Jehovah Witness', and preach constantly as that is what they are taught. I engage in full debates with them about their beliefs, because they attempt to push them upon me. They are religious recruiters and I despise it. They are required to go door to door "on service". I take joy in the fact that I tend to know more about the bible and can challenge some of the insane things that come out of their mouth. DH's step mother can never just come to the house, she must always arrive with religous printed material. They also discussed that our house was that of sinners, when we were living together prior to being married. They are also some of the most hypocritical people that I know. For instance, DH's brother and his gf are still JW's. His gf discussed with the step-mother her being uncomfortable with us living in sin, however, they have sex and sleep in the same bed 3 to 4 nights a week, but they just lie about it. Their religion also preaches short courtships. Approx. no more than 6 months of dating and you must be married within a year or less of being engaged. So, all of the family members lie about who they are dating. However, they teach you not to lie. It's ridiculous. They also refer to their religion as "The Truth". For instance they say the are part of "the truth", they don't say they are Jehovah Witness'. They say this so that they point out that all other religions are not "the truth" but lies and therefore wrong. Ugh. Let me get off my soapbox.
FI and his family are pretty religious, but I'm an atheist. One time he said something like, "I'm so glad the big man upstairs brought us together," and it kinda made me cringe because that's just not how I think it came to be, but whatever, I can get past it.
I frequently have to ride in the car with my boss for work and she insists upon listening to gospel loudly for the entire ride. To me, that's pretty annoying and honestly, a little presumptuous.
@amnystik: "When someone feels corner in their way not being right they want to duck out."
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but my husband doesn't feel his view that there is no God is wrong. He just doesn't like having religiously based conversations about topics that weren't religious to begin with... since it doesn't apply to him. In other words, he feels he should be able to have neutral conversations with people even if they are religious. He wouldn't say something like "Well since there's no God..." in a conversation, so he doesn't get why a religious person would say "Well God says you should do this..."
@mwitter80: Raised as Jehovah's Witness myself. =/
OP-Yes and no. It depends on who I am talking with an how respectable they are of course. Most of the time yes, it does bother me. I'm an atheist myself and a lot of time talking with religious people is uncomfortable. They call it zeal, I consider it to be fanaticism often times.
Door to door preachers? I don't mind them as much because I know where they are coming from (at least the genuine ones). However, when I was a JW I could not stand going door to door. It was so uncomfortable and I felt annoying. I HATED feeling like an intruder. People would get snippy and I would sympathize with them. I wished I could tell them "I'm so sorry for intruding upon your home, but I have to do this! My mom is making me!"
I was raised in a devout, Catholic home. I have a hard time with folks who make their judgements known about those who don't share their faith. I'd like to think that I'm on a good path for me and that those on other paths are on the ones on which they belong.
Happily, I don't have to deal with evangelical types or those who feel compelled to tell me what they feel I ought to be doing.
@mwitter80 My mom was a Jehovah's Witness as a child (for a period although the family went back to and was primarily Catholic)... she actually had a dream that she was standing in this line with her family.. another line right next to theirs.. she looked ahead to the front of the line and saw that in their line the person was being consumed by a fire... she frantically started trying to tell her mom that they were in the wrong line! eek!
The one thing that have to say about them and Mormons is they did get it right about going out and telling the world, and making disciples. <--- they definitely "win" in that area.
"Jesus will guide you if you open your heart to him."
As an athiest, yes, this is pretty offensive. I don't go around telling Christians that they have to believe what I believe, and I expect/demand the same from them. Luckily, now that I don't live in the Bible Belt, this is never an issue for me anymore.
@Tunacupcakes: Do you struggle with your upbringing and being an athiest now. DH is an athiest, but he struggles with it sometimes, because he himself references feeling like he is missing out on the closeness and unity that the religion provides. However, he would never go back, because he believes he feels this way because the religion is similar to creating a cult like relationship with god and eachother.
@KatyElle Well believing in God and Jesus and that we were made for Him and by Him... then the belief goes on that going against that wouldn't deny that the heart was still made to be close to Him and ultimately wants that. Most of the time it's not seen as a heart issue and is then rationalized out throught thought of just not wanting to "hear it"
aka the heart cries out for Jesus regardless of what the mind says... atleast that's how we were made.
So his feeling of uncomfortablness is still coming from that whether he thinks or not.
That's just going by my understanding of scripture, God, and how He made us.
I'm somewhat religious so I voted for Kingy who is not religious. He thinks its annoying but it doesn't really offend him unless the person says something that's actually rude "you'll go to Hell if you don't believe in God"
ETA: Kingy doesn't necessarily not believe in God, he just doesn't know. He will go to church with me if I ask (I only go a few times a year) and has agreed to raise our kids "Catholic with an open mind"... so that may skew him not really caring when people talk about these things
@crayfish: I get it. I think I'm more tolerant because I was raised in a religious home, but realized at a young age I had doubts. My husband has often had people give him the "Come to Jesus" talks and it annoys him to no end.
@amnystik: yikes on fire huh? that seems a little over the top.
You are obviously very religious. My heart does not call out to Jesus. I think Jesus is a made up character, similar to the smurfs. I'm not trying to offend you in anyway and I respect your beliefs entirely, however, we are obviously coming from different places.
@KatyElle: I was raised in Texas, where I was only allowed to do sleepovers with my "friends" if I slept over on Saturday night and attended church with them, where everyone was trying to "get me saved" all the time, where (public) school led prayer still existed, and where evolution was not taught. I was, at every available opportunity, attacked for my beliefs, and spent a great number fo years trying to "belive" before I realized that I think the whole thing is ridiculous, and I can't force it. Instead, I changed my circumstances - I got into MIT for grad school, and moved away to a place where reason trumps mystical belief.
Thank god. ;-)
@mwitter80 considering the err of belief they had and the eternal beliefs of Christianity.. no not really. *shrugs shoulders*
@crayfish: I was raised in a typical Irish Catholic home in Boston lol. I did the first communion, Sunday school, all that. It just never felt right. Actually it wasn't until I met my DH I realized "It's ok to not conform to a religion. It doesn't make you a bad person."
They don't call it Catholic Guilt for nothing!
I really like serious religious discussion if the subject comes up - if people are being open and openminded about their own personal spiritual beliefs about the known and unknown in life.
But religious conversation like your example? It doesn't bother me in that I'm offended, and it's hard to come up with a way to say it in a way that doesn't come off as offensive because I do respect other people's personal faith... but it makes me giggle and it makes the speaker lose a lot of credibility. It's like if a Christian person tells me that Jesus will guide them or the bible says x, I hear it as if you're telling me the man in the moon will show me the way, or Dumbledore says "death is just the next great adventure."
I think sometimes people assume a shared cultural value to religion and I didn't grow up with that - I was raised secular reform Jewish where the importance is on ethics and culture more than religious text. The only important religious aspect (and this is just MY PERSONAL experience) is to not believe any other specific religion, and we were taught to think critically about the bible and religious dogma as being possibly inspired by God but definitely translated and likely embellished by man.
I don't hate religion (though a lot of people close to me do), and while I'm not that big on organized religion I actually really love discussing beliefs. I just have a lot of trouble taking people seriously when they're acting as if their beliefs apply to me.
@amnystik: But see you're giving a prime example of what my husband was talking about. He really doesn't need Jesus to feel loved or complete. So someone saying "No you really do, you're just denying it" only pushes him further from the whole idea.
I think if people are truly being called to a faith, wouldn't they figure it out on their own without people telling them they should?
@KatyElle: lol..
So I grew up in a Catholic home, we went to church when I was younger but because I wouldn't co-operate my parents stopped taking me. Early on I had doubts and by middle school I'd realized religion was just not my thing. I went to all catholic schools, I learned about god, read the bible (not all of it!), went to religion class all up until I graduated because it was required.
I don't care what people believe, and in certain conversations I will discuss it. But my knowledge is rusty so I try to stay out of it most of the time. I do get incredibly annoyed when someone just randomly brings it up in general conversation.
ETA: I get annoyed, not offended. I rarely get offended.
Also, my heart does not "want" God, my heart wants freshly pumped blood.
@amnystik: I'm quite confused by your last statement. Fa la lalalala fa lala la
It depends on the situation. If the religious individual is open minded and able to accept the fact that their religion
1) doesn't apply to everyone
b) won't be accepted by everyone
cat) shouldn't be pushed on everyone
then no, it doesn't really bother me-- I'm always up for healthy (friendly) debate and discussion.
However, if the individual is unable to accept that their beliefs are not necessarily the beliefs of others without preaching, or attempting to convert or reverting to condescension and holier-than-thou attitudes, then I get peeved.
for the record I'm agnostic at best.
@missmouse29: Ahahah 1, b, cat. You rule. Also, I totally agree with what you've said.
I was raised Methodist and now lean more toward Buddhism/ Hindu beliefs. Not sure God exists but can't rule it out completely either:) but my dad is a very devout, born again Christian. You would never know it if you met him because he is quietly observant and NEVER pushes his beliefs onto anyone else.
He doesn't go around preaching and telling people to "let Jesus into their hearts" and other religious dogma. I think that's what makes people uncomfortable, me included. Believe whatever you choose but don't go around prosthelytizing (sp?). That's what bothers me. Don't tell me to praise Jesus and I won't tell you not to kill spiders. Lol
I like discussing religion. Religion is fascinating. But fanatics--some of which are here in this thread--are never interested in having a discussion. They only want to convince others of what they're supposedly missing out on.
So this thread really is pointless.
@KatyElle:I think there should be an "I'm religious but it bothers me" option.
I live in the bible belt and I am SICK of missionaries trying to convert me to whatever else and not listening or having a two sided discussion about religion.
I love talking religion, but not when it isn't a real discussion.
I didn't vote.
ETA: Everyone's talking about the JW door-to-door missionaries. so far, they were the only respectful ones that have stopped by my house.
@missmouse29: Totally agree. It's an interesting discussion. I feel very spiritual, that I've discovered what is spiritually right for me, and I feel religion is a personal journey for everyone, that whatever there is out there, it doesn't matter what we believe, just that we respect each others' journey and accept each other. What makes me uncomfortable in religious discussions is not the discussion, it's the "I'm right; you're misguided." TBH, many Christians come off this way, and it's why I don't like discussing religion.
I would love to have an open discussion about all religions, the old and new testament, the Quran, buddism, how someone came to what they believe, etc. - but that's not what ends up happening. Instead, I find most people who want to discuss religion want to convert others to "the truth". That is insulting.
ETA: Most Christians would consider me an athiest, and I suppose I would consider myself that, but I do got to church and I do consider myself spiritual. ;)
@ellabee: I went ahead and fixed that for you ;) Not sure why I thought I could only do 4 questions?
@MissHoneyBun: Pointless or not, I'm still interested in hearing different opinions.
@2ndtimeacharm You know I guess I would have to say I generally don't like people that say things like that either.... I've come to find that gerenally they aren't actually living like they say anyways.
@ OP I guess to clarify about how I talk about Jesus and my beliefs it's more like "Man I just got some news about some financially things that just don't look like their gonna work out. EEK I was pretty upset, but you know what... I cried and then just got quiet and reminded myself that God's going to take care of me b/c He says He will." <--- this really just happened today... & THATS how I talk about Jesus in "regular" conversation.... ;)
This is interesting...I'm somewhat religious, as in I go to catholic mass on sundays even though I usually don't want to but walk away feeling a little bit better. In my opinion, I think there is a God but its the details that most religions preach that bother me. I guess I'm a cafeteria catholic, I pick and choose what I want to believe is right. I hate when people constantly talk about religion in every day conversation. Quite a few of my coworkers would talk CONSTANTLY about god and they even laid a bible out in the work place. Not okay...it offended a lot of clients. I was offended even though I believe in God.
FI isn't religious at all and feels the same way...don't bring it up in every day conversation please!
I'm Catholic and religious. I don't talk to people about Christianity unless they bring it up. I would hope that I don't need to go around speaking and evangelizing through words. Plus, religious AND political discussions aren't appropriate to discuss with anyone other than very very good friends and you know they won't get offended which puts my list down to a handful.
EDIT: Everyone believes they're right. People aren't going to get anywhere by trying to convince the other people. I will however tell people that are going through a rough time (i.e. sickness, death, etc) in my THOUGHTS and prayers in case they aren't religious and if I know they're atheist, I'll just say thoughts.
@ellabee: I do agree with JW's when going door to door are respectful. They are very kind people and if you dismiss them, they will walk away.
However, when they are your family the pressure is quite different. They "disfellowship" people, for turning against the faith, which basically is religious exile. Your own family members can "get in trouble" for speaking or associating with you. DH's mother was disfellowshipped for requesting a divorce from her husband (yes you must ask permission). He was beating her and the children. She was not granted the divorce. It was not until the children were taken away by the department of children's services, DH's father almost killed his younger brother and DH actually beat him in return, that she filed for divorce. The Elders, heads of the local organizations, were made aware of this and still disfellowshipped her. There are so many similar stories to this one as they are taught to "honor thy father and they husband" regardless of how he behaves.
Please let me also note that I do not believe that all JW's act this way or should be represented by men who are like this. This is just one example of what I have seen and the fact that it effects my husband, it is the example I chose to share.
@amnystik-that's not so bad, but Jesus/God talk in casual conversation still makes me itchy.
@mwitter80:Family is *very* different. I definitely get some harsh religious "discussions" from my fiance/husband's family. Sigh. Lucky for me I'm secure in my beliefs and do like hearing about others, but it's frustrating when it's a monologue and I can't say a word.
That story is awful! Being disfellowshiped sounds really terrible. I'm sorry you have to deal with this in your family.
@amnystik: Ok, so if we're talking regular every day conversation like the example you just gave... if someone in real life then said "Well maybe you believe that but I don't" would you tell them "Your heart wants God, but you don't want to hear it"?
@KatyElle not likely... I generally don't talk like that... even to other Christians. I'm not sure what exactly I would say. I might get my feelings hurt that they stomped all over my encouragement for a second.. but then probably move on in conversation. If the conversation continued into other topics it would probably come up again though since there isn't any area that I don't include or have God in... lol
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