EGL…are there any good diamond stories out there?

posted 3 years ago in Rings
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  • Post # 3
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: June 2014

    Mine’s GIA & I have no experience with any other labs, but your post caught my attention (I also stalked you from the other thread :P)

     

    Have you thought at all about getting a stone with flourescence? Buying a stone with flourescence can also reduce the cost of the stone. It is a risky property for jewlers because some believe that flourescence can make a diamond cloudy in about 10% of diamonds with flourescence-others say that it doesn’t at all. Most jewlers buy via the cert, and never see a the diamonds they purchase ahead of time, so they don’t want to risk a stone being in that 10%. As such, the stones sell for a bit less than the same stone would without flourescence.

     

    My stone has strong blue flourescence, so not only was it less expensive than if it didn’t have that property, but it GLOWS under UV light! It is not cloudy at all, and by far my favorite thing about the stone is the flourescence. (Pic below- one of the accent diamonds has flourescence as well). Additionally, it will make some lower color grades appear more colorless and enhance the beauty of the stone. Lower color grade=more savings. Mine’s a J, and it lookes white white. (The two most important things to me were cut and carat size by far- no one is asking you if you have a G colored ring, anyway)

     

     

     

     

    I also noticed that you were debating between getting a RB v. an oval around 2.5 cts.

     

    Let me start off by saying that I LOVE ovals. When we were first designing my ring, I knew I wanted an oval- there was no doubt in my mind at all. I drooled over Katie Holmes and Blake Lively’s rings- there wasn’t another option for me. So we had a jewler bring in several ovals, ranging from 2-3 cts. I hated them all once they were actually on my finger! I realized that I was missing the finger coverage that I wanted and needed at least a 4ct to get the look I desired, and I have never been a fan of halos. I’ve seen some women on here with gorgeous ovals, but on my finger, they looked awkward and small.

     

    I’m not saying this to scare you away from ovals, but before you do too much thinking, have a local jewler order some stones for you (virtually no jelwer has ovals of that size on hand) so you can have a look.

     

    Cost-wise, they are about the same, but ovals are a much riskier shape to buy for.

     

    I’m not sure if you are considering online at all, but Adiamor was GREAT! My rep drove to see several stones in person for me so she could make sure they weren’t cloudy. She drove something like 2 hours each way for the stone I ended up getting, and called me when she was there so I could ask her questions about it!I don’t believe this is the common practice, but I was impressed because I thought I’d have to limit myself to James Allen! They also constantly notified me of new stones that fit my criteria before they hit the website.

     

    Adiamor also works with a lot of uncommon metals (mine is palladium, which is the cheaper version of platinum & the metal Iron Man uses in the movies… they also use 19k white gold (they are currently not providing this option to all customers just yet), which is in between platinum and white gold cost wise- the special alloys in the 19k white mean that the metal is naturally white and never has to be rhodium dipped). Buying online also means no sales tax and more competitive prices.

    Adiamor’s diamonds are also all certified conflict free, one thing that you may not be able to trace using another grading scale

     

     

     

    Idk- I think I’m going through withdrawl because I spent months researching stones and metals- and I have no new rings to perfect. (Although I noticed you asked about the width of my band, personally, I would go for a 1.9mm if I had to do it all over again). Probably more info that you were looking for, but I was just like wow-she seems to have similar tastes and be in the same position as I was a year ago (I may have stalked your post about oval/rb cost :P)

     

     

     

    Best of luck!

     

    Post # 5
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    529 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: June 2014

    Thank you!!

    & Absolutely! Message me anytime-I love talking about rings! And good luck with the appointment 🙂

    Post # 6
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    Buzzing Beekeeper
    • Wedding: May 2018

    Mine was from Tiffany & Co so it wasn’t GIA but I can’t remember what lab certified it.

    Post # 7
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    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: December 2012

    My ERing came from a Small Family Run Jewellery Store… all the stones are GIA Certified Conflict Free / Canadian

    So is my Sparkly WBand.. which was bought seperately at a Chain Store (Peoples Canada = Zales USA)

    I have no intention of selling my Rings in the future… they are mine for keeps.

    BUT they will one day be heirlooms that I will pass on to Children / Grandchildren, so ya Certification was very important to me

    (Besides the fact that we wanted Quality Stones that were of a good size & quantity … my Feature Diamond for example is a 0.80 Round Brilliant… and my ERing comes in at aprox 1.85 tcw and my WBand at over a half-carat)

    I am a gal in the camp that I would rather have QUALITY Diamonds over ACTUAL Carat Size (hence why altho we could have afforded it I don’t have a 1.0 – 1.5 – or 2.0 Feature Stone)

    Hope this helps,

     

    Post # 8
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    164 posts
    Blushing bee

    While it’s true that EGL grades softer than other labs, its important to remember that there are different EGL locations, each with their own reputation. EGL Isreal has by far has the worst reputation for soft grading, while EGL USA is said to differ by 1-2 grades (both color and clarity). It’s not to say that every EGL diamond would differ by that much, but that’s essentially the problem, they are very inconsistent.

    I personally have a round diamond certified by AGS. They are considered to be generally equal to GIA in color and clarity grading (perhaps the rare one grade off), but AGS has much stricter standards for their ideal cut grade than GIA’s top cut grade.

    Does it matter if you’re not going to sell it? I still think so. The problem with diamonds is that the visual differences in small color and clarity variations is so tiny. The average person buying cannot tell the difference between a F and G color, or between a VS1 and VS2, but the prices are dramatically different. A reliable lab acts as the independent expert opinion, so you know exactly what you’re buying.

    You’ve probably heard that cut determines sparkle, and is the most important characteristic. Even between the top labs GIA and AGS, GIA’s top cut grade is easier to achieve than an AGS top cut grade. EGL has its own standards for its top cut grade, which I can only assume to be easier to achieve than GIA’s. So if you’re an average consumer who’s being shown an EGL ideal cut graded stone, you’ll assume that since it’s EGL’s best cut grade, you can’t get any better, which in actual fact it may be graded lower by other labs. 

    Post # 9
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: August 2013

    In the end, all that matters is that you’ve seen the diamond and love it. However, I’d do some more reading on EGL-graded diamonds — the Pricescope forums have great resources.

    http://www.pricescope.com/forum/rockytalky/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok-t142863.html

    From what I understand, EGL diamonds aren’t always the great deal you think they are. From everything I’ve found, there are no deals in diamonds — you get what you pay for. Whoever is sending that diamond out to be graded is sending it to EGL for a reason (because they know that the grade GIA would give the diamond would not be as good and would therefore sell for less). I would just make sure you’re knowledgable on the subject, you do your research, and that you see the stone in person before you commit to buying.

    Post # 10
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    112 posts
    Blushing bee
    • Wedding: November 2013

    I  second going to pricescope and doing research there.  We actually ended up going through Whiteflash since they were well recommended there.  

    One thing to think about, is that if you have a beautiful stone and are fully aware of EGL’s “flexible” grading policy, why would someone send their stone there?  It’s much more likely that they’d send it to GIA or AGS because of their better reputation and stricter policies.  

     

    With that being said, seeing a stone in person is your best bet.  If you love the look and sparkle, I guess it doesn’t matter who grades it.  I would suggest putting more stress into the cut of the stone though, not just the size.  That’ll make the bigger impact on how it shines. 

    Post # 11
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    2302 posts
    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: June 2015

    my SO bought me an EGL diamond and it’s gorgeous 🙂 we bought an antique stone, and some bees clued me in to the fact that EGL is actually better than GIA for them, because they will assess the cut properly – ie ‘old european cut’ where gia would say ’round brilliant’ – and it’s not! 

     

    just be aware that EGL can be 1-3 grades softer on colour – for instance, we bought an EGL G, but i am prepared for it to look like a GIA H/I (although the vendor we used states it’s very white). so if you go for it, make sure there’s a good return policy, and that it’s with a vendor you trust!

    Post # 12
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    80 posts
    Worker bee

    Lots og good answers I’ll add if you want your egl stone to be graded by gia they will do it for you. You can send it in pay a moderate fee ($150 I think) and they will send it back with a report. I dont know how I would feel mailing a diamond around but you can do it if you so desire.

     

    The other posters are correct on gia and ags being much stricter. You may have good luck going with gia or ags especially if you can see good images and buy reputable I.e. james allen will look at stones for you. Areas where you can save money:

    Florecense, as long as its not an oily blue Florecense isnt a bad thing ig can make a stone look more white

    Color, expecially if you have a warmer skin tone or setting the stone in yellow gold there are some beautiful j, k, and even l, m stones that can be had for a bargin

    Clarity, this is tough since you can see inclusions if you look all the way up to the vs grades even with gia. But finding a si1, si2, even an i1 with an inclusion that cannot be easily seen face up or hides under a prong van be a holy grail value

    The people over on pricescope are very helpful as well and will even give opinions on stones and asset images.

     

    We dont know your budget but a quick search on james allen shows a around 9-20k for the 2+ carat ovals in lower cllors and clarity some look nice some have bad bowties but some dont mind that.

     

    Good luck,

     

     

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