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    MsBookworm    October 11, 2008   Virginia

    Hi Fellow Bees,

     I couldn't help but notice that there are a number of us getting married this fall, right around the presidential election.  I'm having a small wedding, but even so - all points on the political spectrum will be represented.  Clearly I can't do much to guard against heated discussion or outright rancor between future in-laws and my family.  I'm just wondering if any other bees are having anxiety dreams about some knock down, drag out, political-debate-turned melee erupting at their wedding receptions?   I've put my family on notice to be on their best *political* behavior, but that's about all I can think to do!  Comisseration and advice are welcome.

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    jeeyol    11/08/2008   Arkansas

    I am worried about this also.

    Our wedding is 4 days after the election and I am concerned that feelings will be hurt and ego's will be bruised so soon after Decision 2008. 

    I made the decision this past weekend as my brother screamed at me about politics that I was not going to discuss it anymore this season. 

    Yesterday someone posted about making a fun game about it, like having people put a quarter in a jar if they are caught talking politics. Most people thought this was a bad idea, but I actually liked it. I think it would be an easy way to diffuse the situation. I don't know about where any of you live, but here in the South, those debates can turn ugly pretty quick and I don't want that stuff ruining our wedding activites. 

     

     
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    Kimbeerlee    11/1/08   New York

    We planned our wedding a year and a half ago for Nov 1st.  Without realizing we found out thats day light savings and 3 days before the election. 

    Since we have a lot of out of town guests, I'm hoping the guests will use the wedding as a small get away and leave their political views at home. I would like to think most people would be on their best behavior for a wedding.  My family is mostly from New England and the wedding is in NY so I think no matter what, everyone pretty much knows their state will go to the left. 

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    ju1244    11/1/08   New York City

    I think the idea about a quarter in a jar is BRILLIANT!  My wedding is going to be right after and it just occurred to me that I am either going to be very happy or very depressed!  

    Dont count on people behaving for a minute!  I think the quarter idea is a MUST!  

     
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    Hyacinth    December 7, 2008   Beverly Hills

    The quarter jar as a penalty is brilliant!

     
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    MsBookworm    October 11, 2008   Virginia

    I like the quarter in a jar idea, but I'm afraid it would just draw more attention to the issue.  I think I'll rely on hard looks to family members who start to "go there" or a quick kick under the table!  Good luck to all us fall '08 brides. 

    Maybe I should stake some Obama/Biden signs in the reception yard?  election year wedding... :  wedding politics in laws reception Icon Wink

     
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    lten10      

    Our wedding is 10 days before the election and we're taking the theme and running with it!

     

    We have political buttons with our picture on it with our last names "Smith-Jenkins 2008"

     

    We also printing up Ballots where they vote for their president and "running mate" ... that doubles as a little card to write good wishes on

     

    We're having Americana (Andrews sisters) music played at the cocktail hour.

     

    And the video I made up (slideshow) is modeled off of a campaign commercial made up of incriminating pictures.

     

    We're a pretty politically diverse family... but we're also politically engaged so its the perfect theme for us! 

     
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    cannotwait    February 1, 2009   TX

    lten10 that is so cute!

     
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    Caroline    11-8-08   Philadelphia

    My fiance and I are different parties and we're thinking of doing donations as favors--half to a Republican group and half to a Democrat group. But I don't know if people will be too upset by the idea of the group that isn't their group getting $$$.

     
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    Soon2BeMrsC    March 20, 2010   Wine Country

    I'm not sure that a donation to opposing parties doesn't result in a wash.  People might view it as a waste, no matter the political party.  If you really want to do it, you might want to say "donation to worthy causes," or something generic. 

     
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    HistoryBride    6/27/09   Plymouth, MI

    @ Caroline:  Personally, I think I'd be a little peeved if there was a donation made in my name to one of the parties.  They're already too rich and strong as it is, and unless you're political activists or something of the sort and it really means a lot to you, I'd find a cause that can't make quite so much money on its own.  I sympathize with the brides above and would really want to keep politics out of my wedding (with the exception of Iten, that's fun and not close enough to real politics to cause a problem).

     
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    Caroline    11-8-08   Philadelphia

    True. A better option is to donate to something neutral, like the American Cancer Society.

     
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    CarolineG    10/12/2008   Phoenix, AZ

    You have absolutely no control over what your guests will discuss. Most people know better than to discuss politics or religion except in the very broadest of terms at functions such as these. If this is the only thing you're worried about, consider yourself a very lucky bride  election year wedding... :  wedding politics in laws reception Icon Biggrin

    My wedding is in the south, less than a month before the election. My personal brand of politics (and that of most of my friends, birds of a feather, you know) is quite different from those of the red state in which we're marrying. The thought has crossed my mind, but other than asking my father to make sure he puts his teeth in and leave his confederate generals tee shirt at home, I acknowledge that it is out of my hands. The best you can do is gently steer the conversation elsewhere if you hear it come up.

     
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    Hyacinth    December 7, 2008   Beverly Hills

    I do think that donations to each party is a wash and would seem a waste.  I am however of the belief that every fall bride had better get a plan in place to deal with the possibility!  If not the quarter jar then a stock line or phrase--like no business or politics on my special day.  I do think the threat of a battle is real, I dont think you can just sweep this under the carpet especially when you cant control your guests, forewarned is forearmed.  

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    bluegreenjean    June 2009  

    The tempers sure are starting to flame....  I've even been thinking how glad I am that there aren't any family functions I need to attend until way after the election.  Politics always comes up in my family, and I'm always astounded at what I hear -- I've lived in college towns for the past eight years and so I find it shocking how misinformed some people are (for example: Obama is a Muslim newborn baby killer.  I cry for the future of this country)...... :(

    Anyhoo, the quarter jar is a great idea.  Politics will be on people's minds and it will come up in many conversations.  And people will be loosened up with the fine drink that will be freely poured.  The best idea is to acknowledge this reality, and try to find a way to make it lighthearted.

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    Shasha    November 7, 2008   Naples, FL

    It wasn't til a couple weeks ago when I saw this post that I had even thought, "OMG, our wedding is right after the election.

    Since then, the election heat has be turned up. Big time! I forwarded an email to a bunch of friends. Fortunately I did a copy/paste so it looks like I'm the originator and who’s going to be completely ferocious to the bride??

    The problem is that a DEAR friend totally put me on blast in an email he sent to everyone I had sent my original message to. That in itself isn't a big deal because I know I cannot talk politics with him so I laughed at his blind loyalty and went about my business.

    Problem is...a few of the folks on my original email responded back to him in a civil yet heated manner. My MOH/sister who isn’t email savvy sent me a private message simply stating, “WHO THE H3LL SENT YOU THAT MESSAGE!!!!!” (All caps and easily about 10 exclamation marks). I of course didn’t tell her, “oh, that’s ____, he’s one of our groomsmen.”

    As of right now both my FFIL and his brother have responded. As has another friend of mine. Dear groomsman let me know that someone else had replied to him but he didn’t share who it was or what was said because, “they’re losers! If they’re voting for ____ they’re not worth my time or energy….by the time your wedding rolls around we will have a new president and this will all be pointless…” I forget what else.

    So ladies, NOW I’m a teeny bit freaked out about the whole Election Year Wedding, because if it comes up at all, there’s going to be a very heated, passionate debate and who knows what else.

    PS: I’m sitting here typing this and yet another reply has rolled in. This from my dear MOH/sister who replied, “Don’t base your opinions to Shasha on ignorance, take a careful look at the whole picture. What a sad, immature comment on your behalf.”  So much for civil!

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    Hyacinth    December 7, 2008   Beverly Hills

    To SHASHA, good luck to you and thank you for being one of the few posters who didnt get her little dig against the other man in.  I think the fact that we cant even keep our opinions (or candidates) out of our blogs says something here!  My wedding is a big 3 weeks after the election (when they will probably still be counting Pennsylvania) I personally have had ONE difficult dinner with my FI's brother, guess what it was about?  He lives in DC-I work in politics and let me just say he is a traitor even to his own practices!  I literally said the words, "Please I am begging you as a gentleman, let us dispense with this conversation" but yet he continued and I then, realising I had neither a car with me or sufficient cash to get a cab said, "Please I have neither a vehicle or a way to get home, I am asking you to please stop so that I dont have to get up from this table"  and many more attempts, even admitting that I had somehow forgotten my cell and didnt know who I could call...because his banter got pretty heated such that even Mario Batali's food couldnt assuage...  finally guess what-I DID get up, get my coat and was prepared to walk thinking I would pop into the first place that I thought would let me use their phone...suffice it to say, things have never been the same and I am frankly DREADING the fact that he will be at my wedding! My FI gets a C+ for his action/ inaction The good news is I am still in charge of the seating list!  

    Hate to be judgemental but I swear no one in my family would pursue this!  I grew up with news at the forefront of most dinners--but then we are civilised beings.  We have movie stars who cant keep it out of their acceptance speeches...If my father were alive I know he'd jokingly pronounce that anyone caught talking politics, religion or business at my wedding would be taken out and thrashed but as he is not, I'll have to settle for the quarter jar and tightly crossed fingers! 

     
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    edb    10/2010   Baltimore, MD

    Elections can be hard, but for the people getting married a few days after, most likely they still will be counting some of the swing states. 

    Maybe those who are the most concerned can appoint some kind of politically neutral "bouncer" at each table to either change the subject or ask the parties to take it outside if it gets too heated?  As a last resort, say "the next person who expresses a political opinion is getting $5 donated in their name to (opposite view party)."  

    I think the idea of political donations would work well if instead of picking the major presidential candidate, pick an interesting congressional/senate or state election, or even just a ballot issue, to contribute to and asks guests to vote, then donate a percentage based on how many votes each candidate/cause gets.  If its two candidates who aren't running against each other, it is not going to be a wash, and if the guests get to decide who "their" donation goes to, they won't feel offended that you are donating to the "wrong" party on their behalf.  

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    Shasha    November 7, 2008   Naples, FL

    Oh my goodness did the plot just thicken! I’m seriously nauseous now...

    Dear friend/groomsman just replied to my MOH/sister: "I can voice any opinion I want to...it is a thing called freedom of speech...something you liberals always bitch about expressing but when it comes to an opposing point of view you want everyone else to shut the fuck up. How bout...NOT? I am not the person you want to mix this up with....BELIEVE ME. Give your message of CHANGE to someone with an I.Q. above vegetable next time. The man is a communist period. Have a nice day!”

    I’m freaking for reasons previously discussed but now, I’m sure my sister is going to demand to know who this person is. I can withhold all I want but DF’s email address includes his last name. If my sister pays attention she will figure out exactly who he is.

    I replied back privately to DF and said, “You do realize I’m getting married in 6 week right?? *cringe*”

    His response: “I sure do…but you opened this can of worms. You should have known better than to put me in a ring of liberal lies & bs….that’s like poking a lion with a stick in an open field surrounded by vultures.”

    Yes, yes I did send the original email. I told you Bees that in my last post BUT the original email was essentially asking questions about the candidates. Think of a side by side comparison filled with questions. I thought that by including him my questions would get answered. Instead I’ve awoken a sleeping lion.

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    Personally, Shasha, I'd threaten to kick him out of the wedding party if he doesn't take a vow of silence.  From NOW until the day after your wedding.  :]

    Good luck.

     
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    Janna19    June 7, 2008   New York

    Wow, that is quite rude of this guy to write.  He sounds very immature to me.  He is not a lion, he is your friend and should have some consideration!!

    I would just write him back "I realize now that it was a mistake to send that email.  I am asking you for this favor anyways, please drop it.  I am a frazzled ball of nerves getting ready for this wedding without worrying about WWII erupting between people I love over politics."

     
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    Hyacinth    December 7, 2008   Beverly Hills

    Shasha, 

    Do you have a dad?  Consider having him make an announcement that anyone caught talking about politics, business or religion at  his little girl's wedding is going to be taken out and summarily horse-whipped!   

     
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    Shasha    November 7, 2008   Naples, FL

    You guys are THE BEST!

    This went back and fourth a few more times today. DF and MOH/sister, and DF and FI's uncle. In one closing DF wrote, "Can't wait for this wonderful wedding Shasha! Should be a joy!"

    My sister essentially asked him to grow up and be more open minded. She basically said good bye after that. Uncle said good bye. DF called me and I yelled at him. Seriously.

    He sort of chuckled and asked, "so who are these people? is this blood?" I hesitated and said yeah, well maybe. At least he respected the fact that I was NOT about to reveal anyones identity. He said he  was sorry but that I should know better.

    I said that I obviously underestimated his decorum and called him out on some of the stuff he said and he was a little embarassed and was like, "all right, all right." I think he's done. I did afterall threaten bodily harm.

    FI has kept his cool thru all this only saying to me, "doesn't he realize it's family he's been talking to?" Again, I think it's done.

    Unfortunately though since this, uncle replied in a "dude, relax/lighten up" kind of way. And then there's the email DF sent my sister early this morning that she still hasn't seen.

    The ball is in DF court. Hopefully he'll just bite it....fingers?? hehe

    In case I didn't mention it, Dear Friend is a groomsman but is my friend of several years. He's only met FI only a couple times but our bridal party is a hodge-podge of my guy friend and his female friend.

    Anyway ladies, you guys rock! Thanks for the support and let 's keep our fingers crossed that this is truly the end.

     
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    maureen9004    August 2008  

    I don't think at a wedding your guests will get our of hand, they are there to celebrate your day!

     

      That being said, I would just seat people with like minded people.  If someone wants to talk about it let them, if you notice the conversation is getting heated I would point out: so and so is our president and we are stuck :)  I think a good diffuser is our next president will most likely be able to pronounce most words better than bush :)  Plus, at my wedding I didn't notice anything bad that happened.  My sister called my fiance's Aunt a terrible name and they were in a yelling match- I never even knew and I was across the room.  People are congratulating you and being supportive, your wedding day will be a blur.  :)

       I think adults (especially the kind who are passionate about politics) would feel slighted by a quarter jar.  They are your guests and good or bad.. they should be allowed to do what they want (within reason).  Using a restriction is for children.  

     
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    Hyacinth    December 7, 2008   Beverly Hills

    Maureen, I think your idea to seat like minded people together is brilliant!  But I dont think its realistic to say that EVERYONE would behave just b/c its a wedding.  I saw an actual fisticuffs at the Regent Beverly Wilshire and it was a wedding of about 300.  

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    jeeyol    11/08/2008   Arkansas

    This all seems crazy to me. I'm not sure I have ever seen people react like this to an election. Sure, I"ve seen passion but people I've never even seen angry at anything before are just about coming to blows. Although I like the jar idea, I am worried it will just fuel the fire by starting the conversation. God help our country if people don't start putting aside their differences about this election.

     
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    Shasha    November 7, 2008   Naples, FL

    I'm all for sitting like minded people together but the jar?? Not so much. It's rude and pretty tacky.

    @Jeeyol - granted this year it does seem to be hotter than ever but don't we go thru this every four years to some degree? I just NEVER thought about the wedding around election thing.

    Heck! Had I paid attention I would have set the date for another 3 months out so I could have enjoyed the Olympics AND missed the election debacle.

     
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    Maude    June 29, 2008   Oakland, CA

    I'm all for a light-hearted announcement, and sitting like-minded people together, but beyond that, I wouldn't worry.  People of different polictial persuasions manage to be civil to one another all the time in formal situations, and should definitely be expected to keep things cool at at a wedding.  

    One thing I learned in my wedding planning process was not to worry *too* much about how my guests were going to experience the reception.  I could only throw a party which I and my husband thought was fun for us and our loved ones.  I couldn't control how everyone else would experience it. 

     

     
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    suzanno    7/12/08   Richland, WA

    If you know that you have complete obnoxious friends or relatives who are likely to get into some kind of heated discussion, it's probably a good idea to have a little talk with them up front about how you would appreciate it if they could leave their political view at home for the night.  Most people, I'm sure, can be trusted to behave themselves.

    However, if you're going to bring up the subject yourself - by making a donation, sending political emails, or whatever, you should expect that people will feel like it's okay to express their opinions.  Even if those opinions differ significantly from yours.  And you can expect that it might get contentious.  We have several friends who are passionate Republicans or Democrats, and can't seem to have a discussion of politics without getting very emphatic.  And then they are somewhat upset if people get emphatic in disagreeing with them!  That always surprises me.  DH and I are generally happy to have a quiet and reasonable discussion about politics or religeon - I am always interested to hear what people think and why - but we are both offended when anyone goes overboard on either side of the argument.  I personally would think it would be quite inappropriate to bring politics into a wedding reception by making donations to either (or both) political parties in the name of your guests, and I would be pretty turned off if I was a guest, but obviously that's your decision.  And if I ended up at a reception that seemed to be some kind of campaign function, or where too much politics was discussed, I'd probably just leave quite early.

     

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