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wow.. was he really blunt about it? or was he like I would appreciate if you... ? sounds a little messed up, we cant all have perfect relationships with Inlaws.. I dont, but my marriage doesnt depend on it.
crazy situation!
We camp with my FI's parents every weekend during the summer so his parents and I get along great but I would never call just to chat and my FI and I have been together for 6 years. I cannot imagine having my marraige hinged on the fact that I can call and chat with his parents not me.
I'm with you tacos.
I do think family is important, and it's important that you get along with his family ~ maybe this examples weren't meant to be taken literally? just demonstrative of the kind of relationship he envies for your sake?
IMHO it never hurts to try a little harder, especially when it comes to the ones we love. Maybe try and give it a little extra effort for some time - come up ahead of time with topics to talk to his mom about that will interest her, etc., call her to ask for a family recipe, something, make a small effort every few days, or maybe go one day out of the weekend but a few times instead of one whole weekend just once?
Try and find a place of compromise for yourself, and see if it doesn't improve. Seriously. Give it a month, and try really hard for that one month, and be positive about it. Things might change more than you realize.
hmmm, I have kept up on some of your posts regarding this topic. I have an FI who is the only boy in the family and my FMIL is TOTALLY playing the woa is me, pity me I'm losing my son card. Every time my FI and I make progress in the fact that he is making a NEW fmaily we backtrack at least 3 steps bc his mom tries to pull some sort of crap. I am hoping thats not what is happening with you two.
I would suggest to tell your BF that he cannot demand a BFF relationship between you and the in laws. YOu can tell him that you will always be polite and make an effort, but EXPECTING a relationship is not a good idea, as it depends on not only you but the other party as well (and they don't seem too willing....)
I'll try, but beyond that I don't know what to really do. His dad is pretty conservative and I'm 99.9% certain FSIL doesn't call him, but I don't mind asking him things in person - specifically about the religion.
But the mom is another animal. Her moods change and I don't know what to expect sometimes. She'll definitely surprise me by cooking something I adore every once in a while, but then her actions sometimes negate my position.
The parents are separated so it's more tricky. I have to adapt to each home I visit. Gah.
But that's a good idea. I will try to see if there is something I come up with in terms of conversation starters.
Yeah. While I don't think she's at a point where she may start laying those cards on the table - I see us heading in that direction. I do empathise with her; she is "losing" both of her sons. I get it. I would probably be upset as well. But I hardly think she's "losing" him if I willing say "go spend time with your parents!". Especially since I'd like to get heavily involved with other things on my weekends.
I'm not really sure why he's overly attached to his family, but I grew up differently. It could be a cultural thing for him. I was in a military family and always very independent of my parents or siblings.
I get along with FI's parents but I would not take kindly to the suggestion that our relationship (mine and FI's) is reliant on another set of relationships - mine with his parents or his with my parents. I think it is important to be able to get along and not totally dread spending time with them but he can't expect you to have the same relationship as his sister in law has with his mom. It's not realistic and it's not fair. Good luck - it sounds like a tough situation and I hope it works out smoothly!
I have a feeling FMIL said something comparing me to FSIL which started this entire thing. Maybe related to the food incident, perhaps how she cooks for her.
Something had to trigger it.
family is really important to me and fi. we live close to his parents, and since way before we were engaged, we see them about once a week, usually on sunday nights when my fi cooks dinner for them at their house. i've never talked on the phone with his parents except quick logistical calls, but we have an easy relationship now. it wasn't always like that, and sometimes i get really annoyed at how much small talk there is and how many things i'd rather be doing, but it is really important to my fi's relationship with his parents that they see me as part of the family and as adding to their family.
my point is, he sounds like he's being a little extreme--obviously a relationship is a 2-way street and you can't do all the "work" on your own--but are you sure he isn't just asking you to make more of an effort? if you're so sure from the beginning that there's never going to be a relationship, there is never going to be a relationship. and if you are so much a part of fi's life that you are going to be getting married, and there is no relationship between you and his parents, then that will strain his relationship with his parents and they won't accept you, and that could cause him to second guess you if he's close to them (i realized after a failed relationship that fi being close to my parents was really important to me, for example, because i'm really close to them). you don't have to be best friends right off the bat, it takes time to build trust and fondness, but in my experience, the more you put in to a relationship, the more comes out of it (not always true--i've had some really toxic friends--but in the relationships that have mattered to me in the long term...)
(also, sorry if this sounds super judgy! this is totally based off what i've learned from becoming part of fi's family, and from how i've seen my parents feel hurt when they don't think my sil tries with them--which is a whole different story...)
@finnaroo
Understood. But I think one thing he needs to realize is that I don't want to spend every weekend with them. It's totally unrealistic. I have hobbies and goals and have recently begun braching back out to friends I've been sadly neglecting. I want to have my weekends to myself for the most part. I suppose that could be part of the issue.
ok how about you talk to your FI and let him know that it is unrealistic for you to hang out with his parents and be BFFs but you are willing to make some effort. Ask him to arrange for his parents to come over one day for dinner and you and he can entertain them TOGETHER. Or just suggest that you guys do something togehter.
I just have an issue with this whole thing though because you are not engaged to your BF yet (officially) if it was me I would be saying until I have a ring not much more effort being put out there......but I can also be kinda a b
oh, compromise on his part too definitely needs to be there.
also, i edited my post before because i realized im sounding totally judgy! every relationship is obviously different. i think i feel so strongly about my role in fi's relationship with his parents after we went through a health scare last year (before we were engaged)--my fi's dad was in the hospital for a couple weeks, and fi really just wanted to go into denial and avoid it, but it was my "job" to push him to be there and help take care of the family...if i was writing this before that experience, i don't know if i'd feel so strongly
In a perfect world everyone would have great relationships with their in-laws. This is not a perfect world ;) You simply can't force two people to have a good relationship. You don't get to pick your in-laws so there is no guarrentte that you will get along. Also, it just takes time for a relationship to grow. Your FSIL has known them for eight years. It isn't fair for the two of you to be compared.
That is kind of where I'm at. All of a sudden he's very insistent that I move relationships with his parents to the forefront but he is concurrently saying he isn't sure if he'll be ready to get engaged this year. I'm absolutely balking at this because I've never been rude or standoffish to his folks, and I think it's ridiculous that I work on relationships with people who won't necessarily be in my life. I've expressed that to him, but he has told me this is one of the contingencies because he wants his wife to be a part of the family.
Again, I haven't done ANYTHING to suggest I was not interested or not trying. All I've done was take back my weekends because I need a life, and his parents don't want or need to see me EVERY weekend.
I am sorry to hear that he is holding your ring over your head. I feel like as long as you are decent to their family and you visit every now and then and make an effort to be respectful to his relationship with his parents what else are you expected to do. I personally feel like its time for mom to realize their sons are no longer children and how she is lucky to have two new FDIL. I am not BFF with my FMIL, but I respect her and adore her and he feels the same to my parents. I guess my main point is as long as you arent being rude to her he should appreciate your effort for trying to be nice to her when at times she isnt that nice to you.
okay, i've kept thinking about this as i'm getting dressed and ready for work, and i just want to add a little more nuance to my response...i think putting any kind of condition on engagement is off-base, so saying he won't propose until you are best friends with his parents or comparing the relationship to his sil's is just unfair to you. it's focusing on the outcome rather than building the relationship, which takes time. it sounds like you are trying, but you have a different kind of relationship with your family, and that should be something he's willing to understand too and compromise on. and i can totally see your backing off getting close to his family with his giving you mixed signals on getting engaged. on the other hand, i feel like i can kind of see his perspective that if he is very close to his family, he wants you to be part of that.
so what i mean to say is, i think this is a really important kind of conversation to be having, and coming to an understanding together on the role of family is very important
Thank you for your insight, I really appreciate it. He is meeting my mother for the first time tonight since she's in town, so perhaps this will shed some light on my background. It is a very important conversation which blindsided me, because I thought everything was fine the way it was going. And apparently he does not because he has other expectations. Hopefully we can compromise, but I am concerned that he and I will not be able to come to a resolution. Unfortunately I cannot commit to making his parents my highest priority, because my own parents aren't even number one on that list. I just don't have that relationship and I don't want it.
It's interesting how all of the sudden this comes up, but obviously it was necessary.
Well, while I understand his motive, I think he handled it poorly. He's given you an ultimatum: "You will be family first OR ELSE we will NOT be family." Forcing you to chat up his mom and dad..well, it just doesn't work like that.
Why isn't he having his mom make the effort? As in, "mom, i want to marry this girl. Can you and dad try to make her feel more welcome? Maybe you guys can do lunch?"
It's harder to join a family than it is to welcome one. As adults, i feel like they should be making an effort, for their son, to welcome you. Not that you can't make an effort, too, but to tell you this? Sheesh. Did he tell his mom, "look, if you don't befriend Tacos, we won't be as close anymore?" I doubt it. So to me, this sounds like he's picking sides. IMO, somebody who pulls a card like that is not ready to get married because when you get married you have to put your spouse above your parents. That's how it is. They become a priority. And I'm one of those people who want to be a priority before it's "official". Not just "ok the ring's here, NOW i know how important I am". It's one thing to faciliate a few lunches together to smooth things along or do things TOGETHER, it's another to force you, alone, on them, alone. Just b/c you throw two kids in a sandbox together doesn't mean they become bff.
While it's nice that I get along with my MIL (in fact she's pretty cool beans, can't complain), but to know that OUR relationship (Dh and I) depended on OUR (her and mine) relationship? I would be livid.
Exactly. But now that you bring it up, his mother has invited me on two occassions to meet with her and her friend at a mall and also to go out with her. The problem is, his parents live 50 miles away from me. And while it's no big deal for him to drive there, it is for me seeing as these outings are always last minute and when I have other plans. So maybe someone feels slighted because of that, I'm not sure.
Although last time I went, shortly after the food incident, we were supposed to go see a movie together but she said she was too tired and seemed despondent. I took it to mean she was upset with someone and let her know it was no big deal, but Mr. Tacos kept insisting I stay the night with her when it was obvious she wanted to be alone for one reason or another. Obviously I didn't stay, but I graciously got myself out of the situation.
So who knows. Something is going on and I don't understand it yet.
OMG Tacos! This sounds so familiar!! My Ex BF was a total Mamma's boy - the youngest of 4 boys, no girls in the family. By the time we started dating all 3 of his older brothers were married or engaged and of course the other FSIL's were very comfortable and chatty around his Mom.
I was so shy and VERY intimidated by the situation, especially since we were in college and lived in different states so during holidays I would have to STAY at his parents house which looking back was too much too soon. I was always polite and joined in on conversation when I felt comfortable, but was still very shy and wasn't super chatty.
Well, Ex BF actually sat me down one day and had a 'talk' with me about my shyness. He said I had to make an effort to talk to his Mom more, that it would almost make or break our relationship. I told him it wasn't like his Mom ever tried to talk to me, she actually did things to make me uncomfortable like taking calls when we were alone, putting me on the spot in front of everyone with controvercial topics like religion and just in general not being very nice.
Needless to say, his Mom played a large role in our eventual breakup. She wasn't going to let her baby go and I wasn't ever strong enough to stick up for myself. Sorry for the long story, I just had to share!
Yeah, and like EJS said it's not like Ex BF ever approached his parents and asked them to make me more comfortable! It was always my fault, I had to change. Clearly I didn't fit in there and was never welcome!
Luckily we're not too bad. We do polite things like buy each other small gifts, and for the most part she is welcoming.
I'm not sure what I want to do about this. I love him very much, and I hope he becomes my husband one day. I suppose we'll see.
At one point in our relationship, my fiance asked me to make more of an effort with his mother. (His Dad and I get along great when together, but don't have a need to talk otherwise.) He said she felt that I didn't like her because I wouldn't talk to her for lengths of time, not necessarily about anything serious just talking for the sake of talking. I am a very private person, I don't enjoy chit chat for no reason and I am not close to my parents in the same way he is to his.
I told him that this is who I am and it's not changing. I said I would make an effort to sit and listen to her but I will not share about myself unless asked specific things. I see them about 6 or 7 times a year as we live within driving distance of them, he sees them a little more often since his dad and him share similar hobbies.
However, in my case my fiance realized that I was not going to change who I am and that he wants to create a new family with me, regardless of what his mother thinks/feels. She was upset when we got engaged because he didn't consult with her, but I think she is a little more comfortable with it now.
I'm not sure how old you are, but is age possibly a factor? We are both in our late twenties and have been independent of our parents for years.
We are both approaching 30. I think a lot of his attachment to his parents stems from their recent divorce, and this is a byproduct of how he is managing it.
Not that I think it is a healthy one. It is not his, or my, job to keep the "family together". He hasn't outwardly said that... but his actions would indicate otherwise.
I respect both of his parents for many reasons, but I won't be that close with either one of them. Not to the point of calling them up just to "talk", like he insinuates FSIL does.
I would laugh at my fiance if he told me I had to call his parents and chat with them. I don't expect him to call my mother and chat with her. If you are almost 30 and his parents aren't treating you nicely, I wouldn't want to see them EVER. Your BF should be sticking up for you. It isn't your respnonsibility to feed his mother at HIS house. These are silly requirements for an engagement. His happiness with you does not in any way rely on what type of relationship you have with his mother. To me, it sounds like he is just digging up more excuses to not get engaged. If he knows that you and his mother have an akward, strained relationship, it is very odd that he is suddenly trying to force you to create a different type of relationship that according to you will never exist. If you know that you will never have the type of relationship with his mother that he wishes you to have, then you will never get engaged. I can understand why you would be so angry about this. Ask him why this is suddenly so important to him when he knows that you have a strained relationship with his mother.
I apologize as I haven't read through all the responses... but I'd be pretty ticked off if my SO expected me to be bff with his parents and the future of our relationship was contingent upon that. Part of being an adult (atleast in our culture) is leaving your parent's home and creating your own home with your spouse. Your spouse then comes first, parents second. Sadly, our parents will die, but our spouse is forever- it goes the opposite way when we have children as well- your kids will grow up and leave, but marriage is (hopefully) forever. Bottom line is you should come first, mom and dad second. That is how mature, adult relationships work. He is putting unnecessary pressure on you and the relationship by having these expectations. He should be grateful that you guys can tolerate each other and shouldn't be asking for anything more.
I have to say that I kind of understand where your BF is coming from because family is really important to me. That being said, my family works on welcoming people and treats SOs well.
The idea of a demand that you become closer to his family before you get your "reward" leaves a bad taste in my mouth. How would he like it if you started playing that game as well ei: no more "fun time" until I get my ring. It would be wrong to do that and I think what he is doing is wrong as well.
Not good.
I think that it makes sense while you are still dating to maintain your own life and independence. When he is ready to make a bigger comimtment to you (engagement), then it would make more sense to go out of your way a bit more for his family. It sounds like you are putting in plenty of effort at this stage. I don't think that he should be tying your future together to the closeness of your relationship with his parents.
I agree w/ GreenBee, Chirpie and others. His demands just sound odd and like possibly excuses not to get engaged right now. Why is it your job to jump through hoops for him and maybe then you'll get your reward? Why isn't he chasing you some too? The engagement is all hinging on you living up to HIS standards. Does he think he's perfect? Seems like he has a bit too much power and figures you're not going anywhere. Ideally, he would be nearly as interested in engagement as you because he's not 100% sure he "has you" and he wants to "lock down a good thing" so to speak. I agree with those who have said, until he steps up and gets engaged, I don't think you owe him any greater effort other than to be a decent girlfriend and maintain civil relations w/ his family like you have been.
Now that you mention his parent's divorce, I bet that is playing a large part of delaying getting engaged. He's probably freaked out, as no one expects their parents to get divorced. Has he opened up about it at all or keeps it to himself?
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Ugh, I am so upset over this and I need some solid opinions.
Mr. Tacos has made a loud statement about how he needs me to "be a part of" his family before he will put a ring on it. I thought I was doing fine with the parents, minus some miscommunication here and there. But apparently not. Now, he wants me to call his mother to talk like FSIL does (she has been a part of the "family" for eight years) and call his father to ask about math questions (he's an economics professor).
My first reaction was almost laughter. You're kidding, right? His mother barely accepts me as it is because she's losing her little boy and he's begun to make some power plays that I think have stung her. Then there was the recent debacle of how she thought I didn't catch her "hints" about feeding her the day before his procedure (I don't even live there!). Conversation has flowed but is always strained in one way or another, because I get the sense she would rather be doing something else. And often times, she takes calls while we're visiting with one another.
FSIL and FMIL have a relationship that some of you Bees have - near BFF qualities and easy conversation. I told Mr. Tacos FROM THE BEGINNING that it would not be that way with us, because his brother was the one in the family who rebelled. His brother was the one who was more independent. I would never expect Mr. Tacos or ANYONE I was with to call my parents to chat unless that chat had a purpose.
His expectations came out of left field and I can assure you, I won't meet them. He visits the folks every weekend, and I have a life outside of that. I agreed to go one weekend a month, but nothing beyond that because I feel they are tiring of my presence and I would rather be doing something productive.
Any thoughts on this?