(Closed) Engagement picture problems…

posted 5 years ago in Photos/Videos
Post # 3
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1314 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: May 2006

@drlolaz:  What I think a lot of people fail to understand is that photography is an art, and most professional photographers already have an established style.  You hire that professional for what they do best, and asking them to change their process to essentially be a different artist just for you is not fair or realistic.  Who hired them, and why did they hire a photographer for you whose style was not in line with yours?  Can you get out of the agreement?

Post # 4
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344 posts
Helper bee
  • Wedding: September 2012

The first thing that scares me is 300 images. Is that just every image he took? I could hand a photographer my exact gear and have his shoot right over my shoulder and still our shots will look totally different. It’s really hard for a photographer to ” copy” a look. It’s like asking you to play the part of someone else for your whole wedding. Did the photographer discuss style with you at your meeting. Honestly when I meet with a couple who aren’t looking for my style and are just look for ” a photographer” I turn them away. I understand this guy isn’t your pick! Was it the price tag that got him hired? 

Post # 5
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814 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: February 2012

I’d see about getting someone who does your style. I’ve actually turned down clients because they wanted me to change my style and, after shooting one way for many years, it’s not something you can just switch off.

Post # 6
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1881 posts
Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: April 2013

Yeah… my mother (who is paying for the wedding) wanted me to choose a different photographer than the one I ended up with, but the one I have is literally the only one whose pictures take my breath away when I look at them (and I’ve seen whole albums that aren’t in his portfolio because he’s done the weddings of some people we know). I had to fight for it and really put my foot down about how important that style of photography was to me, but I got it in the end.

Post # 7
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6050 posts
Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

Unfortunately, it really boils down to the fact that you chose a photographer who doesn’t have a style you like. It’s not as simple as saying “any photographer worth his salt can work with me to achieve the look I’m going for”. That’s actually really insulting to a photographer. It’s an art. That’s like saying someone who paints landscapes should be able to do a portrait because they “know how to paint”. It doesn’t work like that. 

I think you either need to be okay with the photographer shooting in their style, or you need to find a new photographer, even if it means forfeiting any money you’ve already paid. It sucks, but no matter how many samples you show them, it won’t make them shoot or edit in a style that isn’t their own.

Post # 8
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: September 2011

It’s the post-shoot editing that gives that overly glamourous look.  I totally get that photographers are artists, but I feel like the art factor should take a bit of a backseat when one chooses to become a wedding photographer.  If Annie Leibovitz wants to shoot my portrait, I’m going to let her do whatever she wants.  If I’m paying someone to photograh my wedding, I feel like I have a bit of a say in how the photos ultimately turn out.

I’d handle this one of two ways.  Either select a handful of shots and email/phone the photog and say something to the effect of “These are my absolute favourites!  I’d love to see them in a slightly less edited version, can you sent me copies with just some colour correction etc.. and no special effects?”

or

These are my absolute favourites!  I have a couple of projects I’d like to use the original shots for, would you mind sending me the RAW versions?” (then edit them yourself).

The approach you choose should depend on your level of competence with photo editing, and how you feel the photog would react to your request.

Post # 9
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6050 posts
Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: September 2012

@MissNoodles:  Why is a wedding photographer’s artistic vision any less important than Annie Leibovitz? Because it’s a name you’ve actually heard of? Trust me, there are a lot of photographers who are incredibly well known within the industry that the average (non-photographer) person has never heard of, but it doesn’t mean they aren’t worth the $10,000 they charge to shoot a wedding. 

Why should their artistic vision take a backseat because they’re a wedding photographer? Do you feel entitled to call up Toyota and tell them you don’t like the way they designed their seats and they need to make it how YOU want it simply because you’re paying for the car? Of course not, it you don’t like how the seat feels you don’t buy that car. It’s no different with photography – if you don’t like their style you hire someone with a style you DO like.

Do you go into a Chinese restaurant and tell them you don’t like how they make their food and you’d rather have a hamburger? No, you just don’t eat at a Chinese restaurant. 

Post # 10
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2609 posts
Sugar bee
  • Wedding: September 2011

@starfish0116:  

I simply think that when one is hired to do a job, the client’s wishes should be foremost in one’s mind.  To me it’s the same as being a graphic artist who is hired to create an ad campaign, as compared to a visual artist who is creating works to sell/exhibit independantly.  Of course talent and style factor in, but it boils down to a job for someone else.

I didn’t mention the cost of photography at all.  Personally I think most photographers are UNDERPAID once their post-shoot time is taken into consideration.  I also believe photography is the one budget item that should be maxed out when planning, it’s the one thing that you hold on to forever after your wedding.

OP didn’t have a choice in her photographer, I was making suggestions to her for how to resolve her situation now.  In an ideal world, I would have told her to choose someone whose work she likes better from the beginning.

One final note:  it’s not the actual photos she doesn’t care for, it’s the EDITING.  To use your comparisons, it’s not like she’d be asking Toyota for a different seat, she’d be asking for a different colour of seat, she’d be asking for her sauce on the side at that restaurant.

Post # 11
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960 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: July 2013

@drlolaz:  If the post-editing is the problem ask for a copy of the raw images…. then edit them or pay another to do the editing you want.

Our photographer includes all originals, yes even those “testing the light” shots and will re-edit if asked. but I was very happy with what we got from our shoot even though he really shoots more in my FI’s type of style than mine. There was only 1 horridly-over-edited but its his “signature shot” that every couple gets so I just wont use it…

Post # 12
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1314 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: May 2006

@Elky:  Just as an FYI – few photographers are going to hand over RAW files to be edited by a third party for free.

Post # 13
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960 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: July 2013

@continuumphotography:  Then they didn’t scout photographers very well. That was one of our main questions when we met different photographers. Anyone that wouldn’t was immediately off the list.

Post # 14
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344 posts
Helper bee
  • Wedding: September 2012

@Elky:  with all due respect if you’ve found a photographer who would hand over their raw files to you for free to edit however you wish you’ve found a money whore, not a professional photographer. 

Post # 15
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1314 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: May 2006

@Elky:  I can’t speak for Canadians, but none of the very large number of pros in the states that I know would hand over RAW files.  It’s an incredibly uncommon practice.  I’d go as far to say that at least if you were here that your list wouldn’t include any  professionals if that was a criteria.

Post # 16
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790 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: February 2014

@Lashmont:  @continuumphotography:  

Agreed.

 

I dont know any pro that will give RAWs only amateurs. I dont think thats normal in Cananda either. I know a couple of photographers that shoot there and that is certainly not how they roll.

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