Post # 1
Starting this out by saying that I am not trying to start any drama here. I thought this video was very interesting and wondered what athiests response to it would be. I know there are many athiest bee’s so I figured I would get some responses.
Beware, it’s a long video…
Post # 3
@Birdee106: Ok I didn’t watch the whole thing, in fact I only watched like 10 mins because it started pissing me off for being incorrect and biased.
I watched up until the end of the segment of can you observe evolution and they only chose the segments that pointed to 6.5 billion years ago or the fossil record. Evolution is observable directly in the lab and everyday. TB and many other microorganisms have evolved within the past 50 years or so to be multi drug resistant. In the lab, we can also put rats or other fast breeding animals put pressure on them and watch them evolve.
Also, humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor and quoting darwin even though he is the founder of evolution isn’t completely accurate because they didn’t have the scientific ability back then to “observe” evolution or to understand it to the depth that we do.
Another point is that there are more “GOD”s than the Christian God. And I think belief in God and belief in evolution don’t have to be exclusive to each other.
Lastly, I love sex and it is the most natural instinct ever and I always hate how the Christian religion has to go after sex.
Post # 4
There are alot of Christians who will disagree or possibly flame me for this, but I don’t think you have to not believe in evolution to be a Christian. Genesis says we were formed from the dust of the earth, which could easily be a metaphor for evolution. I love science. I had to take a lot of science classes to get my nursing degree. I’ve never taken a science class that didn’t validate my faith to me. The way the natural world works is AMAZING, and I can’t believe it happened by accident. I’ve heard arguments for the earth only being 5,000 years old and dinosaurs being on the ark and all kinds of things that I just find silly(sorry if I offend any one, thats just how I feel). You can love science and have faith at the same time. Jesus isn’t giving out science tests on judgement day.
Post # 5
So… just because we can’t observe a drastic change in evolution in our lifetime, it’s not true? That is essentially what I have gleaned from the first 10 or so minutes.
And that’s really stupid. We’re not going to see a bird change into a different creature in our life time. But are there transitional fossils that show change? Yes yes yes! It’s particularly interesting to see fossils of fish whose fins have evolved to help them lift themselves up out of water. Eventually later fossils show these fish having developed feet and legs.
I also get annoyed when folks contend to have intelligent design taught in schools. When the proof of intelligent design can match the evidence of evolution, then perhaps it could be considered, but that will never happen.
ETA: OP, my frustration isn’t towards you, but towards the ideas in the video. Just wanted to make that clear since the internet can muddle intentions!
Post # 6
Yeah you should’ve never started this thread. I’m a firm believer in evolution.
Post # 7
ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny, you can see evolution in embryos.
Post # 8
Okay so I finished the whole thing, and really it was all silly.
The older man with the full beard totally kicked ass though. I thought his answers were solid and he knew his stuff.
Post # 9
@Bridey77: I agree with you completely, and I’m a Christian, too.
Post # 11
@Bridey77: +1. I’ve always believed in both God and evolution. But people then assume I’m nuts so I never mention it to anyone 😛
Dinosaurs on the ark? C’mon, haha.
Post # 12
I didn’t watch the whole thing. I am not sure what I am though. I guess some sort of atheist? I don’t know. I believe in old Gods (multiple). I also believe that these gods made earth for fun, sort of like their science project. I also believe in evolution. I believe in aliens too
Anyway, as much as I watched, the video made me feel as if the guy didn’t try to necessarily convert those people, but really just show everyone that you need to have faith in evolutions. It is something you believe. Essentially being the same thing as Christians believing in God, having faith in the whole thing. I know lots of people that call christians stupid sheep etc. thinking they are foolish for believing. But really, evolution, although somewhat documented still requires faith. You have to believe that’s how it was because you cannot observe it.
People should believe in what they can and we should stop trying to force our believes on other people. (although I am forcing what I think on the people here lol)
Post # 13
@Aelie: Oh don’t worry, he gives this whole conversion speech to them all at the end.
I would argue that having faith in evolution isn’t at all the same as having faith in the Christian god. There is tons of evidence for evolution. There is no scientific evidence for a god. People go off the bible or their own personal experiences.
Oh, and this isn’t related to your post, Aelie, but I also must say I think good Christians can believe in evolution. If you don’t take Genesis literally, then it’s easy to believe that your god set the world in motion and let evolution come to pass.
Post # 14
@bowsergirl: ahaaa, I guess I should’ve watched the whole thing! But yeah, I get what you’re saying and I suppose I misunderstood the video a little. I know one person who is a strong Christian and also believes in evolution, he is a very intelligent man.
My FI believes that we were created by alliens …
As far as bible goes … no offense to anyone but I think it was created to control people and is full of …. There, I’ve said it. Don’t hurt me please.
Post # 15
I have to say, I didn’t watch the video because I just could not be bothered, but I have heard a lot of the creationist arguments before and frankly a lot of them come from a lack of understanding or willfull ignorance of the scientific principles of evolution.
– We cannot have evolved from monkeys because monkeys are still here
We did not evolve from moneys, humans and the great apes shared a common ansestor, in fact, it is likely that all life on earth evolved from one long extinct common ancestor as the divergence of life from the ancestor can be placed very nicely on the phylogenetic tree.
– Complex organs or organisms could not have evolved by chance and there must be a designer.
Evolution is not a process that is dependent on chance. This is a huge misconception. The only element of change involved is the genetic mutations that make the organism that has them slightly different than their parents. Evolution occurs because of natural SELECTION. That means that an organism that performs better in an environment than other members of it’s species, because it has a mutationt that makes it slighly different, is more likely to survive and more likely to pass on that mutation to lots of children. Over time, this process makes that group of organisms adapt and change either, physically, behaviourly etc. Organisms that get mutations that weaken them die out and do not pass these on. Over time the population will keep helpful mutations, because carrying these convers a selective advantage. The population will eventually become adapted to its environment and will look and behave quite differently than it’s distant ancestors. this process leads to adaptation. It’s very logical.
Also, the reason you do not “see’ evolution happening in the human lifespan is that the process is very slow. It takes a long time for enough mutations to accumulate for the offspring to look different from their distant ancestors.
I could go on, but hell, it’s late and I just cannot be bothered to type anymore. If you are a creationist and your reading it, it’s not like you’re going to change your opinion based on anything I say anyway.
Post # 16
@Aelie: I totally agree with you! There I said it too, we can get flamed together! Weee!