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who do you bee's think should get the ring?
http://www.wftv.com/news/23318305/detail.html
I think who ever is the one that breaks off the engagement loses rights to the ring. If he had broken off the engagement, she would be fine to keep the ring. Since she broke off the engagement, I think he should get the ring back.
He should definitely get it back. If they don't marry, the ring needs to be returned. In most states, this is law.
I'm pretty sure she broke off the engagement because she found out he was cheating on her. My initial reaction is that she should get to keep the ring. But, it is extraordinarily expensive and the law has decided that he should get it back. So I guess she has no choice and has to give it back; even though I think when someone gives you something they shouldn't be allowed to take it back.
She should give it back. She dumped him! It's not right. I'd sue her, too. Plus, it's not like he'll be able to get the 17K back; he'll lose money on the ring, regardless.
It doesn't matter if he slept with her mother, a ring is a contract, not a gift. If she doesn't fulfill her end of the contract, meaning marrying him, he gets the ring back. If they marry and then she wants a divorce, that is a separate issue.
I think he should get it back. As I see it, he gave her the ring in exchange for her hand in marriage. Since that's not happening, he should keep it. But if they did get married and were to get divorced, I think the ring is hers to keep.
Legally Speaking: An engagement ring is an exchange where you get a ring and in return you say that you will marry this person. It is a verbal contract. So if she did not get married to him then he will get the ring back.
I cannot believe that if she broke off the engagement and didn't give the ring back...
I agree that if she broke off the engagement, she should give the ring back.
If she broke it off because he was cheating on her, she should thank her lucky stars that she found out and was able to run before actually getting married, and chuck that huge rock right at his head.
haha i like @realeastcoaster's comment. i'm totally in agreement with that sentiment!
Mrs. Louboutin - In Florida a ring is NOT a contract, it is a gift. The FI is giving her a ring as a symbol of his love, the ring belongs to the bride. I know this can vary from state to state.
Well, historically the engagement ring was a contract in a diferrent way, and if the engagement broke up, the ring itself was somewhat of the "liquidated damages" clause. Back in the day when reputations were all the rage, the tradition of giving expensive rings came into fashion because a woman wanted some kind of verification that her fiance would actually marry her because he usually expected sex after the engagement. If she slept with him and he broke it off, her reputation would be ruined. But, if she held a pricey ring, he'd be less likely to go.
charming.
I believe that now it goes state by state. In some states it is a gift, in some it is a contract, and in some it matters who broke it off. I don't know the law in that state. If I were her, I'd give it back regardless bc why would you want to keep that. But i've got to say, if she broke it off for cheating then I don't feel bad for the guy at all. If that really is the story, I hope she keeps the ring, sells it, and gives the money to charity or something. F him. :)
She needs to give that back. Now she's going to have to give it back, and then pay his legal fees. Good! It proves their character more how they've chosen to respond to the media, also.
She broke off the engagement, ring needs to be returned. No ifs ands or butts about it.
If it happened to me... I would give it back regardless. Or actually, maybe it's better to say that I wouldn't keep it, i.e., if he cheated, I might "accidentally" lose it over a bridge...
DEFINITELY him!! I would give it back even if he broke it off, but the fact that she did, I'm convinced :). I had a friend who proposed (albeit, probably too early in the relationship and with a ring that I have no idea how he afforded) and she ended it like 2 weeks later, saying she actually already knew she didn't want to get married but, and I quote, "What was I supposed to do, say no?". If she wanted to keep the ring?? No way, Jose!
If he cheated then I would break off the engagement AND keep the ring. I'd hawk it and use the money how I saw fit. He's the one who broke the deal by cheating.
I have to be honest, I agree with ribbons and lamb. If he cheated, he is the one who broke the contract of marriage. If he cheated, he doesn't deserve his ring back. I don't know...cheating is a major offense in my book.
The problem with losing or pawning the jewelry is that she could STILL be found to owe him the value of the ring.
She needs to give the rings back. They are correct, an engagement ring, for lack of a better term, is a contract. Besides, what is she gonna do with it? pawn it? It's not like she wants the rings so she can wear it around...
Why does everyone think he cheated? I didn't hear that in the story... but maybe that's just everyone's guess?
I wouldn't want to keep a ring someone gave me if we didn't get married, "contract" or not; it would be a constant reminder of lost love. However, I do think she should give him the ring back because she broke it off. Its sad when relationship end in lawsuits, they'll hate each other for life.
Yes, my understanding of this issue (from The Guy's who's a lawyer) is that the ring is a contract and therefore is meant to be returned if the contract is broken. HOWEVER, if the recipient of the ring ended things because she was cheated on then she has a very strong case for keeping the ring.
Obviously, the laws will determine whether he will get it back, but I don't know which is "right."
I understand that historically the engagement ring represented part of the "bride price" and was legal consideration to get married. But that seems sort of irrelevant (and kind of creepy) in today's world.
I sort of view the engagement ring as a gift. People can get engaged without engagement rings or with cheap-o engagement rings.
What if you lose your engagement ring and either get divorced or call off the wedding after you lost it? Should you have to reimburse your ex?
The fact that he won't comment, combined with the tone of her comment, made me wonder about whether he cheated or not. If he cheated...I think she should get to sell the ring. In our society, and system of law, they only way to right a wrong is with money. 17K for a broken heart seems pretty legit to me.
I don't see in this case where it say anything about him cheating, so I do think he should get it back because she "broke the contract," but as others said, if he cheated, it's a bit more of a gray area. The ring they are flashing in the little video is gorgeous, though!
I'm with @serabell - where did all the HE CHEATED stuff come from??
But even if he did, that's not an excuse for revenge or payback. The ring was given with intent to marry. The marriage is off, the rign goes back. Trying to keep it only makes the girl look bad, no matter what the guy did.
Also - it's not the same as getting divorced. You said you'd get married, you did. Whether it works out or not, the original intention was fullfilled.
@ twalila - In my case I wasn't suggesting the guy in this story cheated. Just that in general, if the breakup is caused by the man cheating, the woman generally gets to keep the ring.
If he cheated, I'd keep the ring then sell it/pawn it off and use the money for something else! But if she broke it off for no reason other than herself and her infidelity, then he gets the ring.
Viewing this as a contract presents interesting questions... then again I'm sort of a dork :)
I guess if he called off the wedding, then she should get to keep the ring b/c he broke the contract? (If not, then what would she get for the broken contract?).
Assuming for the sake of argument that he did cheat, I guess the question becomes whether cheating denotes that you don't want to get married and can be equated with calling off the wedding.
LOL @ corgitales - I agree 100%
Also, interesting history about engagement rings!
I agree. He should get the ring back, in the event that she really just broke off the engagement. Now, if she borke it off because of funny business on his part, she should totally keep it.
If he cheated, there's no way I would even want the ring ... or the money. I would give it back.
I have that opinion in all these situations, though. The ring comes with an expectation to get married. If the marriage never happens, whoever purchased the ring, regardless of infidelity) should get the ring back.
So how does the contract reasoning hold if you agreed to marry him without a ring and bought a ring later? How does it hold if each person got a ring but the two rings are of different value?
Do we all consider a woman's promise to marry conditioned/motivated by money?
Contracts are all about fair exchanges and compensation - is the expensive ring the compensation for us saying yes to marriage? Somehow... I don't think any of the ladies here said yes because of the ring and if we didn't that means our acceptance was not in exchange for the ring, therefore no contract.
She broke it off. He gets the ring back. She's the one who first chose that she didn't want to marry him (I'm sure he thinks the same about her now) so she should give him back the ring IMO.
I think he should get it back. Assuming she didn't break off the engagement because he cheated or did something horrible, she no longer has a right to keep it. And why would she want it anyway? If it was broken off for something he'd done, I would pawn it so fast! And I'd buy myself something else I really wanted.
I'm with the folks saying that it depends on the grounds of the break up. If it was just her deciding it was over; then she should give it back. If there was something he did to cause the break up (ie: cheating/abuse) then he should not get it back. I don't know I guess it kind of depends on the situation in my book. Every situation is different. Money always changes peoples views as well. Of course she's not keeping it for sentimental reasons..... she's gonna pawn that biatch. As will He if he gets it back. Gauranteed.
I was trying to look into the story more, since so many people think he cheated & I found nothin on that, but it did lead me to several law websites. In NY an ering must be given back to the buyer if the wedding doesn't happen, no matter who's fault/why the relationship ended. Its like that in 8 states & called a "no-fault engagement" law.
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