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I need some input from unbiased people. I got engaged a little over two months ago, and like any girl I was really excited. The ring I recieved was a modest yet very pretty antique ring....My fiance' told me the next day after some of the excitment died down that the ring was his Grandmothers that had just passed away, and he had it resized, cleaned and reset. Despite the ring being not my taste at all I was very excited to have a family heirloom. Two months had passed and a couple of weeks ago after a night of partying; alcohol playing a big part in his guilt, he told me when he had the ring cleaned and worked on, the jeweler told him the main stone was cubic zurconia.....I was devastated and mortified!!! This ring I had bragged about and gushed about for 2 months was a fake, and he acted like it was no big deal and that "maybe" he shouldnt have told me when we were under the influence but that it still was his grandmas and it should be special. Ever since that night I have had a hard time forgiving him and we've done nothing but bicker and it has been kind of a snowball effect for other issues. Should I be mad and what should I do? I am the one who has to wear it and look at it everyday all day. I really want a REAL ring but I don't know how to go about talking to him about it without beating a dead horse.
I'm sorry this happened. You could always get the main stone switched out for a diamond. That way you'd have the "real thing" and it would still be an heirloom :)
I don't think it is a big deal. Your ring is still just as "real" and you are still engaged. If you really want a diamond, you could always get one for yourself. And you said his grandmother's ring is not your taste, so maybe you could get a whole new set for your wedding ring.
I agree with OttawaBride - you could have the stone switched out for a real diamond that way you would have an heirloom setting but the stone would be new (and perhaps represent the 'new' marriage?). I think this is a great way to honor and represent both.
Bella
I'm sure the biggest thing that bugs you is that he wasn't honest from the git-go and let you tell everyone that it was a pretty diamond ring!
Since you don't love the ring anyways I'd say its a great chance to pick out a new ring together.
Im sorry! I do think its most important that its the sentiment that counts It was his grandmas ring and he wanted you to have it. though I understand you wanting to have a real diamond. It sounds like he didnt even know it was not a diamond until he took it to get it cleaned. I agree with Ottowa that you can switch the main stone and keep the others as is.
I agree that the best solution would be to take out the cz and set it with a real diamond. I'm sorry that happened to you!
I kind of disagree. It seems from your post that he didn't know that the stone was fake when he decided to give it to you. His intentions seemed to be to give you a family heirloom - he found out after making the decision that the stone wasn't real. I think that this is one of those circumstances where it's the thought that counts. If the ring is something that means a lot to his family, than I think that him giving it to you is more generous than any diamond.
Now, if he made up the whole grandma's ring bit, or knew all along that it was a fake, or went on and on about how it was a really valuable diamond, than that's a different story, of course :P
If it really bothers you, than ask him to exchange the stone for a real one - but don't be mad at him about it because it really does seem like an honest mistake :)
Hmmm. Something smells a little fishy.
You said it is his grandmother's ring? I do not know his family situation, of course, so please forgive me if I am making incorrect assumptions.
CZ did not reach gem quality until 1976. It was around before then, but not in a form you would confuse with a reald diamond. 1976 sounds a little recent for an heirloom grandmother ring.
There are all sorts of possibilities: maybe grandmother had to pawn her diamond at some point (no judgment, you gotta watch you gotta do), someone may have stolen her diamond in a previous cleaning, the guy your FI just took this to may have switched it out, lots of possibilities here.
What I think I can say, based on my date assumption, is that the CZ is not the heirloom here.
I know it is irrational, but I had a similar situation. I had the opportunity to use an amazing fake sapphire, but just emotionally couldn't do it. My real sapphire actually isn't quite as saturated in color, but... couldn't do it. I understand. Ask for a new set, and cherish the grandmother ring, though maybe some day get her birthstone set in it. That CZ is probably NOT original.
I see how this could leave a bad taste in your mouth if you were telling people something and he knew it wasn't true. But it seems like he had good intentions. The ring seems like it's important to him and in the excitement of engagement he probably didn't know how to bring it up. As for the non-diamond part, I donno, I know you want something else and you should discuss that with him. But I really don't see how a diamond, CZ, ruby or whatever you choose really has that much bearing on a marriage. People will look more at your interaction as a couple to gauge love than any stone can tell them.
Umm, I think you might want to rethink this whole marriage thing. Is it the "fake" ring that bothers you or is so called "dishonesty"? If it is the "fake" ring, perhaps you're not ready for the commitment marriage takes. Does it matter if the diamond is "real" or "fake". It seems to have a lot of sentimental value and that should be what matters.
If you really have your heart set on a "real" diamond; as someone suggested above, you should go purchase the "real" diamond and have it set in the heirloom ring. Sorry you're so upset, but I think you're making a big deal out of something that should not be such a big deal. Unless you're angry because he withheld the truth and had you running around bragging about it.
This is just me stating my opinion, but did it affect the way you feel about him at all? Are you upset because the ring is fake, or the fact that he didn't tell you about it? Josh and I have decided to get a Tacori, but the center stone is going to be a Miadonna hybrid radiant stone. I have seen rave reviews on it, and there is a lifetime guarantee, and it has d-f in color, excellent cut, and the clarity is anywhere from IF to VS1. I mean, yes, it isn't the real deal, but it is what we can afford. I don't think there is anything wrong with a fake, as long as it comes from the heart, not the pocketbook. How I see it, if his heart was in the right place, then everything else will just fall into place, you know? But he should have told you as soon as he found out, keeping secrets is never good for anyone. Or maybe he didn't know how to tell you, because both of you were caught up in the heat of the moment, and being engaged is exciting news. He couldn't bare to have you upset, so maybe that is why he waited. It shouldn't matter, it is the love and commitment behind the engagement, not the stone. We should all be so lucky to even get the opportunity be spend the rest of our lives with our soulmates!
I think you should have a long discussion with your FI to hash out your feelings. I don't think the CZ vs diamond is the real issue here. These days, you can get engaged with a piece of string tied around your finger, or with nothing at all. It's not the ring that is the biggest issue IMO.
You are engaged! You should be happy, not upset over the ring being a fake. It is such a special thing to have a family heirloom. This man loves you so much he wants to marry you. I would not get upset at him at all. If it bothers you that much ask him to get a diamond to replace it.
Oh wow, I'd be a little disappointed. It wouldn't change the way I feel about him or the ring, but I'd be upset that he wasn't upfront with me about it. Any idea why he didn't tell you from the get-go? Heirloom or not, I'd keep the band but definitely get it switched out for a real diamond. However, I do think you should definitely keep the cz since it's passed down, but maybe get it set in a necklace, or save it to mount in a ring for a future child?
I agree with ddubzz a diamond is special and beautiful but a diamond is not necessarily a symbol of "love" I believe that "love and commitment" is when your FI gets down on one knee and professes his love for you and asks you to spend the rest of your life with him. That he is willing to take you for who you are and love you no matter what. I would be insulted if I was your FI, and expensive diamond (and boy are they) does not necessarily equate love.
It doesn't seem like the issue is CZ vs. diamond, but why he didn't tell you from the beginning. That I don't get.
Hmmmm perhaps he was just as shocked as you were that it wasn't real? It seems to be bothering him as well since he told you. I cannot imagine thinking a ring is real and you haven't budgeted to spend on a diamond and all of a sudden you found out that the beautiful heirloom that has been given to you for your future wife is not a real stone. I wonder if there is a story behind that, like originally it was real, but the grandparents had it reset in a time of financial hardship.... i honestly don't think i'd mind, i love heirlooms and if that came from his grandma and was given by his granddad then it would be the symbol of love behind it. do his parents know that the stone is not real? it just seems that there is another story behind that to me...
OY VEY - - I think you need to take a moment look at the large picture, breathe, evaluate relax and then go from there! I don't want to reiterate what all has been said. I strongly agree with bee's Ms Snuggie and Monitajb! I am so sorry this has brough you down.
I can understand why you feel upset, he shouldn't have let you think it was a diamond and go around telling people it was a diamond if he knew it wasn't one. He had to have known you'd assume it was a real diamond as that is the tradition for engagement rings in our society, and he let you assume rather than fess up right away. So I can see why you're upset, it feels like he mislead you and I don't think you're being at all selfish/materialistic whatever to be disappointed in not having a diamond ring if that's what you wanted and that's what you wrongly assumed you had because he LET YOU believe that.
If he truly felt ok about it (like he wasn't trying to pull a fast one) he would have been more up front with you as he would have had nothing to hide.
I understand being upset that he kept something from you, but don't think there's any need to be embarassed about your ring. It's worth noting that no one - not even you - knew the stone wasn't a diamond until he spilled the beans.
If you really want something different (since the heirloom ring wasn't necessarily your ideal ring) say, "I know that the heirloom ring is important to you, but I think it's also important to start some new traditions. I'd like to pick out another ring that we can then pass down to our children." And then wear the heirloom to special family events on his side or as a "vacation ring" (i have a CZ that I pull out when we're going on a trip so I don't worry about losing it).
honestly i think your being a little selfish. ok i understand if you were dissapointed but to get MAD at him over it? thats a little too much, its not the ring that matters its the fact that your getting married! You can always get a diamond later. the fact of the matter is that ring is still trasurable. its a family heirloom and thats better then any diamond in my opinion...
If what @monitajb says is correct about the CZ not becoming gem quality until 1976, then you don't have an heirloom ring - it's a fake diamond and a fake heirloom. I'm so sorry this happened to you, and it's completely understandable that you would feel humiliated after showing all your family and friends this ring. You should have a discussion with your FI, of course, and assess for yourself whether you think he is being completely honest that he had no idea the ring was a fake. If you think he's genuinely upset and feels just as scammed as you do, then just try to let it be water under the bridge and go enjoy picking out a new ring together.
PS Any ring you receive, in fact any piece of fine jewelry at all, should come to you with a signed appraisal by the jeweler. That way you know exactly what you own. This is important not just to avoid these kinds of surprises, but for insurance in the unfortunate event of theft later on. Know what you own!
I'd say a ring over thirty years old - one that had emotional significance to the wearer and to others in the family - counts as an heirloom not matter what its materials.
Yikes, after reading what monitajb said, I would seriously consider bringing this whole thing up with his family (via your FI, of course). I think you're totally entitled to your reactions, and you'll calm dwon eventually. But if this ring isn't an heirloom, the record needs to be set straight, and honestly? I would see about getting a new ring. You can always wear the "heirloom" around your neck on a chain to keep tradition, but because of the events have transpired, I would feel really weird about using that ring as your symbol of engagement and the promise you're making to each other.
I would just sit your FI down and have a calm, but serious talk with him. Explain that you're not mad at him, but with the information you have, you'd like to know the exact history of the ring. Explain how important the symbolism is to you, and that honestly, this ring isn't your style at all. Say that while you truly and genuinely love the symbolism behind the "heirloom," with the way things have turned out, you just don't feel comfortable using it as your engagement ring, and since you have to wear it forever, you want something you love that has REAL symbolism.
Regardless of whether the stone was real or not or when it was made, if it was indeed Grandma's ring, it is an heirloom. An heirloom is: "something of special value handed on from one generation to another." I think this ring meets the critera.
@teaadntoast Good point. I myself am proudly wearing an heirloom stone that was FI's mother's original engagement stone, purchased in the 1970s. What I meant was that this ring cannot possibly be his grandmother's engagement ring; it was in fact a ring that she received very late in life. There's certainly value in that, but the confusion over the origin of the ring combined with the fact that it is CZ can turn this into a very confusing situation. Of course there's no reason why an engagement ring has to have a real diamond, but CZ is a stone sold with the purpose of tricking people into thinking it is a diamond. I can understand how you would want the symbol of your engagement to be something that doesn't pretend to be something it isn't. If cost is an issue, perhaps some other beautiful stone would be appropriate!
Maybe they had the ring previously reset with the cz. The heirloom setting didn't have to be made in or after 1976, maybe just the cz stone was. Who knows? Maybe the cz stone looked better than the diamond? Or maybe there were financial problems, and they sold the diamond for a cz, and never got it replaced with a diamond. There are a lot of different thing that could have happened, but that lays with the grandmother and grandfather, so really, know one knows what happened. Just be thankful that the Lord gave you someone special to spend the rest of your life with, and count your blessings that you are lucky that someone loves you so much.
Good luck!
I agree with pudding. And while the stone might not be an heirloom, I disagree with littlestbird, that a CZ means the entire ring is a fake. It might be as others have said that the setting is real, but the stone has been replaced for whatever reason.
I understand frustration that he could have told you sooner. But keep in mind that he didn't know when he gave it to you. (Even though he found out shortly after. Even worse, you were still gushing about it.) I don't think you should necessarily have the stone replaced. First, I think your FI should do some research. Have him talk to his mom or dad about what they know about the ring. Maybe they can vouch for it being x amount of years old. I don't know how old qualifies for antiuqe, but I doubt 30 years does. (So I think that if the CZ is original, or the parents can't recall this ring beyond thirty years, it wouldn't be a genuine antique. But nevertheless it was grandma's and still sentimental to them. So tread lightly.) But if his parents recall this ring "ever since they can remember" type situation, now you're talking around 50+ years.
Or take it to a jeweler to help you figure out the setting. If the ring is original and the stone fake, then I'd consider replacing the stone. But I'd honestly have FI talk to his family about whether or not they care. I know it's yours now. And if the stone is fake, I don't think they'll care. But it might rub the family the wrong way, just to see the ring change. (Like you just don't like it.)
Another thing you could do is just get a new ring. And use the CZ as a good reason why you grandma's ring isn't working. You could either wear grandma's ring on a different finger, or perhaps FI can smooth it over, such that he gives it back to his parents, if it works better for everoyne. (Maybe mom doesn't want it tampered with and you'd prefer a real diamond. You also said the ring wasn't your style.)
Just some thoughts to consider.
Girls, I think there are some pretty harsh and judgemental comments about this, let's try to be supportive and positive, eh?
Honestly, I would be as upset as you are...My FH told me my setting was platinum, which I told lots of people and then I found out when I went to get it insured that it was actually white gold! I was upset bc I had (unintentionally) misled people AND let down since I really wanted a platinum setting...
In your case, I'd be pretty damn devastated if I found out my ring wasn't real, regardless of the situation. It's tough bc it sounds like your FH didn't know until either right before or right after he proposed that it wasn't real...I'm also confused, did he have it re-set or is it in the grandmother's setting?
Either way, I think you are within your right to be upset that he was not honest with you about it and to be disappointed that your ring is not a real diamond. Personally, I would talk to him about it and maybe come up with a plan (joint savings account just for a ring?) to fix the scenario so that you're happy...
I think that trailmix is right. She was wanting unbiased opinions and reactions, and yes, perhaps it is going a little extreme, but to be mad at something that can be resolved, I think that is a bit ridiculous. I am sure in the given situation everyone would be upset about it. I mean, if you are set on a diamond, you should discuss your options with your FI. If you can't afford it right now, save up for it, a joint account. If it bothers you that much, don't get mad, change it. All that matters is the two of you love each other and one day will be walking down the aisle and exchanging lovely vows.
I agree with trailmix. I don't think that the original poster needs to be reminded that she should be grateful to have a good relationship or made to feel selfish, as though she's simply whining about wanting a bigger diamond or something. Being misled about the symbol of your engagement is hurtful and humiliating, and it's perfectly valid to be feeling that way. I hope that you and your FI can discuss this and come to understand the way that each other is feeling, and come out with a solution and an even stronger bond as a result of having gone through this. Good luck!
I have to concur with taking it easy on our OP. It is easy to say the ring doesn't matter if you have a real diamond/other stone on your hand! Add to that the feeling that her FI has been a little less than forthright, even if with good intentions, and her hurt is pretty understandable.
Being hurt and disappointed is totally understandable in this situation. Perhaps people are just responding to the use of the word "real" in the OP, since it does sound a bit as though the ring is being equated with the engagement? That's not how it was meant it though, I think.
I can definitely understand how you'd be frustrated! But I do agree with what others have said - it sounds like maybe your FI wasn't aware that it was CZ until after he gave it to you, in which case it was completely unintentional. I'd talk to him and see if there's any way you guys would be able to upgrade it to a real diamond, if it really bothers you!
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