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I am so sorry you are going through this right now. So frustrating and will only get worse if you don't address it. You don't want to start resenting him. Have you thought about couples counseling?
Oh dear! Are you two doing any pre-marital counseling? At the very least that is what I'd recommend! Your wedding day is not so far away either! Yikes! "I'm having serious doubts about the marriage and thinking this attitude will only get worse after the wedding and when we have a kid." makes me think that you should seriously get counseling ASAP, will he go? And I would also consider postponing the wedding. It sounds like you have really committed yourself to the relationship, but you need to do what's best for to be happy in the long run. Hopefully a good counselor can help you work things through before a wedding day. Best Wishes and hugs.
:-( I am very sorry you are going through this. Maybe its time to sit down and have a talk with him and lay everything down on the table.
Have you tried talking with him? You say that the things he does doesn't bother you or that you have come to accept them. But, they must bother you or you wouldn't be feeling this way. It sounds like he is very lazy! I have to admit that my FI drives me crazy sometimes and I feel like I pick up after him etc., but if it gets to a point where I feel like I'm being taken advantage up I speak up. I will not tolerate extreme laziness or attitudes haha!
Also, you shouldn't stick with this relationship just because you think you've wasted 5 years of your life. You are young!! You said you were divorced before, so I think that you should make sure the next one is the real deal. Don't settle for just any one.
Relationships are supposed to be a partnership. If one partner is pulling his weight it makes things very difficult. Maybe you need to step back and just re-evaluate this situation? I don't mean to come off sounding harsh, but he just sounds like he could care less about your feelings.
I would write him a letter stating everything that's bothering you. I know it sounds silly, but it's really hard to get your point accross to men like him (I know b/c my husband can be the same way) He needs to realize that he doesn't have you forever now that he put a ring on your finger. You are successful and I know that 5 years is a very long time and you'd like to settle down, but if he's this lazy and inconsiderate now how do you know it will get any better? Will he be able to provide for your children if you can't work? Will he help you out when you're busy with said children? I know it's an awful thing to say, but if he doesn't change his ways a relationship like this could very easily lead to divorce when life gets rough. Yes, everyone has their problems, but it doesn't sound like he cares in the slightest bit or is working to change his problems. He needs to come to the realization that you're something prized and worthwhile and he needs to treat you that way.
um..... He sounds like he's 29 going on 12. You're kind of acting like his parent, a little, doesn't it sound that way? I don't have anything positive to add to this, b/c from my perspective, I would have already thrown his belongings on the front yard. :-X
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Melissabegins... If you have doubts for the reasons you're stating, they wont change or get better. It would be even harder to change him. I'd say have a serious chat with him about it and/or go to counseling. Don't "settle" just because you've invested 5 years. Talk to him, communication is key!!
From your post, there seems to be some really serious red flags here. If you can, I would recommend postponing the wedding until you can get your relationship back on track. Maybe it's the stress of the upcoming wedding that's leading to his short temper . . . or maybe it's something more serious that could affect your mental and physical well-being in the near future.
You need to talk to him NOW before the wedding. You are already unsure and if he doesn't get his act together before the wedding you need to take a hard look at your relationship and see if you can live with this EVERYDAY for the rest of your life. I know it's a hard decision but if he isn't willing to see what he's doing and how he's treating you then he doesn't deserve you or your future children. Plus you don't want to bring children into a relationship that already has some major problems. Good luck.
I agree with all the other ladies. I'm sorry you have to go through this, but there seems to be a lot of issues that need to be addressed. If you don't do it now, then it's not going to happen. You don't want to end up with another divorce on your hands.
I'm also going to have to agree with Melissabegins on this. I think you need to work out your relationship problems before you seriously consider getting married. You're already having serious reservations about it and I think it might be best to take a step back. Like you said, you've already been through a divorce and you don't want to settle, you want to find the RIGHT man. I know you've been together 5 years but that's not a good enough reason to stay in a relationship and marry someone who isn't treating you the right way. So sorry you're dealing with this :(
You should not have to as you say it "accept" this behavior. Reread your post, and pretend this was another person writing, what would your response be? Things are only going to get harder and worse when you are faced with life's challenges. You are being taken for granted, and you need to determine if he is willing and able to change the way he treats you. This is not good, please see a counselor either with him or alone before you get married. I know it's hard to leave after 5 years and at 34, I only say that because I was in your shoes, but its much easier to be starting over now then at 44 with a few kids. Don't waste your youth and pretty on someone that doesn't deserve it.
He is absolutely taking you for granted. Not cool. I cant add anything that the other bees havent already added.
If you want it to work out I would consider counseling, if he cant agree to that to help improve the relationship he is going to be impossible for your entire marriage.
It better to take care of it now otherwise there will be no need to have kids, you already married one.
A marriage is a partnership. Good Luck
There are some big red flags here. You pick up after him, you pay the bills, he discounts your opinion, he's too lazy to plan something HE wants b/c he knows that you'll do it, he's playing mind games, not willing to help you with something that's VERY important to you, etc, etc.
I'm really sorry if this is too harsh, but it sounds like you're enabling his childish behaviour. I'm sure that he was a great guy at one point, but those days seem to be over. As your relationship progresses, he is regressing. This is not a good formula for a loving, lasting relationship.
It's probably worth going to counseling, but he has to WANT to fix it, and in order for that to happen, he's got to understand that something is wrong with the status quo. Good luck! I've got a ton of empathy for you with this situation. :(
To me, your future spouse must first and foremost be your partner in life. There should be mutual respect and support (along with obviously a lot more) and it really doesn't seem like you have these things with your FI. IF you were 25 or 30 in this situation - or if you had only been with him 1-2 years - would you marry him? Don't just marry him because of the 5 years or your age - we only get one shot at this life and you deserve the right person to be your husband.
My first question would be, have you guys ever talked about this before? Because I didn't read anything about that in your post. I think it's important to communicate how you're feeling to him, whether you write him a letter as was suggested or sit down and do it face to face. As silly as it sounds, he really may not realize how much his behavior is hurting you. It sounds dumb--like, how could he NOT realize?!--but I've found that men often need to have things spelled out for them. He may not realize that you feel like you're picking up all the slack at home and not getting any appreciation in return. I would also think of concrete things that he could do that would make you happier--like if you could tell him, "It would be nice for you to tell me you appreciate me doing the laundry" for example. He might be feeling that appreciation for you, but might not know how to express it or know that you need to hear it.
As for the story about your cats, I"m sorry he reacted that way--it must have been really hurtful to you. But I don't think that just by looking at that one incident, we can judge whether or not you guys can work through your issues. I do think it's important to talk to him about it before you get married and before you start to feel worse.
OK, I agree with what everyone wrote. And what I'm writing sounds pretty bad to me too. I really wish this was happening before we got engaged so we could deal with it better. Seriously, the timing couldn't be worse. Put yourself in my shoes, would you be willing to postpone your wedding so your guy can work through his boneheadedness issues? It's not as easy a decision to make as it sounds. I know it's supposed to be about the marriage, not the wedding, but being on this board we all know how much work, time, money, effort is spent on putting that day together...All the families and friends making their arrangements...Everyone so excited, asking everyday how the plans are going... We're so damn close! Frankly I cringe in those movies where someone changes their mind on the last day and leaves the other one at the altar. I come from a traditional family too where noone would ever put themselves in that position, it would bring so much humiliation. I've already been through one short lived marriage, most of my family probably already thinks I'm a loser who keeps choosing men beneath me and have been skeptical about this relationship from the start too (due to difference in age, social status and finances) , and I stood my ground and assured everyone this is the guy. Postponing would be like declaring to the world, "I've f*cked up again!". I'd never live that down. I don't think my family would ever take him or our marriage seriously after that. And if we do end up working through our issues, I would still end up resenting him forever for putting me through that. And he probably wouldn't even understand and think I created a stir for nothing. I really really need him to get on board with this and shape up ASAP. I don't deserve this BS after we've come this far.
Couples counseling is a good idea. Talking it out, of course I will try, but with him I never know how much sinks in. Stubbornness and not accepting his mistakes are his least charming qualities. Sometimes I talk till the cows come home and he fights me back till he's blue in the face arguing he's right. Few days later, when he's in a better mood, I see him completely changing his ways and acting like I've pleaded him to do. I figure down inside he must've realized I'm right, he's just too proud to admit it, but at least he's doing it. Like I can just see him taking the cat to the vet again in a few months without complaining. I don't know what triggers the brattiness and what sets it right. He must be operating on mood swings like a teenager.
I'm really, really frustrated. Yes, I'm carrying an emotionally immature man through a very important juncture. I believed all these years that he still has some growing up to do but we were working in the right direction. He seemed more mature and supportive and helpful 2 years ago. It's the living together that seems to have triggered this step in the wrong direction. There must be a way to turn it around. I want to shake him up and put him back on track, not turn my life around overnight :((
girl you have to look past what others will think if you take time to figure things out. Sure people probably will be judgemental, but those people will be judgemental ANYWAY. You only have to answer to one person and that's yourself. Wishing you the best of luck! I can see where you're coming from and know this must be very hard. No one wants to be in this situation, but it's better to figure things out now instead of a year from now..
By the way, when I've called him on his "changes" he's explained it before as he was always the one agreeing to everything I say and want in the beginning, and letting himself be controlled, and now he's older and stronger and finding himself, he just stands his ground when we disagree. I can diagnose it as well as a shrink can - resentment on his part due to a perceived power struggle early on and feeling emasculated. Problem is how to fix it ; get him to stop feeling that way and understand he can still be a man without trying to prove to himself he can dominate me. I try to do this subtly by pumping his ego whenever I can, having him make decisions, but recently my efforts for him feeling comfortable with his manhood seems to have turned into him feeling entitled to bullcrap and justifying childish behavior.
I'm so sorry you're going through this... But I really have to agree with the ladies, that you need to stop and rethink/rearrage the priorities WITH him, not just by yourself. Also, if you've communicated to him well enough about how concerned you are with the quality of your relationship/how he's been treating you throughout the engagement period and suggest you guys get a premarital counseling, but he still refuses out of his own stubbornness, I really think he's just not ready for something so serious called "marriage." It'll only get worse after marriage! You said you're so ready to do it right this time and create a family. I totally believe you. But if your partner in marriage is not on the same boat, honey, your marriage will end up in a wreck!
Postponing or even calling off the wedding sounds horrible, but I'd say it's better to break up the engagement than end up in a divorce. I'd love to just say, "oh, honey don't worry, hopefully he'll change after he gets married." But honestly, I don't believe that's usually the case. I'm taking a premarital class and yesterday the speaker was sharing how her best friend knew all along she was marrying the wrong guy but didn't have the courage to break it off until 2 weeks before her wedding day, she finally took the courage and broke it off. She's married to a great guy and has a family, and although it was a painful, painful experience, she told the speaker that she's so thankful she broke it off with her ex-FI.
I hope you guys can have a serious talk, and if needed, take drastic measures and postpone the wedding...and also take some time off apart from each other? Men don't change unless they absolutely feel the need to..and maybe the drastic measure will make him feel it.
I like to list options, so here's what I'm thinking - you add yours in your head if I've missed any.
1) You postpone the wedding, your family judges you - but your FI shapes up and when you do get married, you go into your wedding and your marriage with a partner.
2) You postpone the wedding, your family judges you - your FI doesn't shape up, you realize it would never work in the long haul and you split up.
3) You don't postpone the wedding, your family doesn't like your FI though - he shapes up, you prove them all wrong and life is awesome.
4) You don't postpone the wedding, your family still doesn't like your FI though - he nevere shapes up, you get divorced, your family judges you harsh.
I don't know what are your most important pros and cons so you have to look at that list and weigh stuff yourself. As in most things in life, you have a 50/50 chance of things going well.
Thanks @sahsabahs, for putting it so boldly and making me tear up a little (already emotional) but also making me smile for the first time today. I'm also a practical person and likes to simplify things like that. It's just that in this case I've put my chips on #3 and I would really like that to be the winner!
I'll let you all how the talk goes tonight when I get home. My guess is he's just blowing things up on his computer game right now not even thinking about this. If anything, probably still being angry the cat threw up and looking for other puke spots around the apt, waiting for me to come home so can lecture me once more about how much he hates having cats. Completely missing the big picture or what I'm going through right now.
I love the list, too. As much as I would LOVE #3 to happen for you I just want you to remember that a lot of the other reasons are realistic outcomes as well :( Your happiness should be the #1 priority and while a wedding will make you happy in the short term if he doesn't change his ways it will be a long term burden, sadness, and stress. Hold your ground tonight and make him remember you're worth a million bucks and he needs to treat you that way!
Hey Meliss, I just read this and all the comments. My mom is actually a psychologist and has helped save many relationships when they seemed like there was no hope. A few of them were friends of mine. What she told me is that selfishness is the route of why majority of relationships fail. You said there was arguing or yelling or complaing. Those were symptoms of the self centered behavor and lack of respect. When boundaries are broken or are not put in place that is typically what happens. Due to whatever has happened in the past whether it be lack of communication on his part by just agreeing without telling you how he feels and then holding hidden resentment later or the way you communicate to each other.What has worked for us is to have a 3rd person help show the mirror of their own behavior and explain the steps to letting go and thinking more of the other person than you do yourself. He may not be able to hear it from you becaue you guys are emaotionally tied. He doesnt want you to view him negatively hence his either explaining it away or just being defensive. I agree that it will only get worse after marriage as it unfolded when you guys lived together in a marital comfort zone. I don't believe you should call of the wedding. Issues like this can be addressed and fixed. I see it everyday. You obviously want to be with him and dont want to deal with the bad selfish behavior. A few counselling sessions can help you both communicate effectively and restore your relational issues pre marriage. Then continueing to do counsel after will also help the process. My mom gave us a book called "Boundaries in Relationships" and "Boundaries in Marriage." Here is a link to the book. My friend counselled with my mom read it and said it was Amazing. I am still on the Relationships one. Hope this helps.
Here's my .02 - you're 34, and have obviously lived your life. You've been married, divorced, and have probably experienced all the ups and downs life has to offer. In my eyes, you are your own woman.
So does it really matter what your family thinks? I mean I know it does, but it seems to me like you are putting a lot of emphasis on things like "I'd never live this down" and "my family will think I'm a loser." SO WHAT? It's YOU that matters, YOUR happiness. It's YOUR life. Live it however you want! If that means postponing or even cancelling this wedding, then so be it. Keep your head held high, girl! Only you can do what's best for you.
I agree, your happiness comes first before what others think. Would you rather take the time to try to work things out before the wedding or end up unhappy in your marriage? If you take the time and try to work things out at least you'll know whether or not you can work these things out. If you can, you'll go confidently into your marriage, if you can't, you'll avoid an unhappy marriage or a divorce. I know how difficult it all must feel but I really hope you make the decision that's best for YOU!
The 5 years won't be wasted. But the time you spend with him after you realise this isn't the best relationship for you is the time you're wasting.
Don't settle. You're still young and have most of your life to live. You deserve the best. And he sounds like he needs a mommy, not a wife. It'll only get worse, and you know it.
This is so tough.
The only thing I haven't seen mentioned is starting a family. You say in your first post that you are ready to do this, but is this REALLY the man you want to have children with? I personally don't put up with any behavior towards me that I wouldn't allow to happen to my future babies. The repeated yelling over little things in particular seems a bit worrisome. It could be that he's feeling stress over other things, but it could just be that he feels like being a jerk, too. I hope you do go to counseling (I've found it helpful in my own relationship) because there are obviously some things that really need to be worked on. You might have put a lot of time into this relationship, but right now it sounds like you deserve to be treated much better than you are.
Oh I am so sorry you are dealing with this. I agree, try couple counseling. I'm not an expert so I wont' write a long post but I will say this, can you see yourself living in this lifestyle for 10, 20, 30 more years? I know you are stressed about the wedding, what people will think, starting over, finances, etc. And of course you love the man or else you wouldn't be planning a wedding and planning a life with him. BUT is it worth living your life in this type of arrangement? You're 34, not 54. Honey, if things aren't going well now, and after counseling they do not change, break it off. Better to do it before you get married than divorcing later. It's not worth living miserably. I hope you can work something out and end up happy.
Is it better to waste 10, 20 or 30 of your upcoming years because you didn't want to waste the 5 years you alreaady had invested in him? Honestly, I don't know if he truly can be a good partner, especially since he regreting doing something nice for you. In a relationship you should be willing to do nice things for the other even if it is an inconvince,
The number one thing to do right now is to learn to trust yourself and not worry about what other people think. It makes it seem like you'd be willing to do anything so that the wedding goes forwards.
You're clearly upset about this, and despite whatever his issues are, you need him to respond by appreciating you more and pitching in more. If he's not capable of it, or unwilling, then you have a real problem - the kind of problem you'll end up getting more respect from your friends and family for (in the long run) by working out before you get married.
I will say this: if you think the problem is that he's compensating for feeling emasculated, admitting that you have no control over his behavior and can't imagine solutions other than counseling or postponing the wedding, is probably a good place to start - for one thing, asking for solutions tends to evoke a male protective response.
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I feel weird asking for advice from people on something like this...Maybe it's more that I need to vent. I don't share my relationship problems with friends and when I tell my mom about them, she tends to hold them against FI and she has already expressed to me her strong reservations about this marriage.
We've been together 5 years. I'm 34, already divorced once, and more than ready to get it right this time and start a family. FI is 28, on his first serious relationship. First few years were great, all lovey dovey. After we officially moved in together last year, relationship seems to have gotten worse although he denies it. Typical case of initial passion wearing off and everyday annoying habits starting to bother each other. But I had waited so long for the proposal, at this stage in my life I'm not going to throw away the last 5 years and look for someone new. After all, noone's perfect and I thought we'll find a way to work through problems. His attitude seems to be the opposite. It's almost like now that I have the ring on my finger, he knows I'm not going anywhere and taking me for granted. There's less sweetness, more yelling, less compromises and more insisting on his ways. He prefers to spend hours and hours on his computer games when we're home, which I've come to accept. He's lazy and doesn't clean up after himself, which I've also come to accept. I also bring home the bigger chunk of dough, and have taken on 90% of the wedding planning and finances. I even ended up planning his dream honeymoon to Ireland because he was admittedly too lazy to do it. None of this bothered me. But sometimes things happen that make me question, what am I getting in return? Instead of maturing like I expected is he just increasingly turning into an asshole?
I have two cats that I love more than life. They're my babies and frankly, I wouldn't be with a guy who says I can't have pets. He understood this...Or so I thought. His position has always been he'd rather not have pets because they make a mess and are too much work, but he accepts them for me. He even likes them, plays with them at times, he just says he wouldn't choose to take care of them. One of the cats has chronic health problems. I was supposed to take her to the vet next week, but then we didn't have a day to go get our wedding license so he suggested doing that on our day off, and he can take the cat to the vet on his lunch break this week since he works from home. Great, I agreed. I didn't ASK, he offered. This morning I get out of bed sick but still having to go to work and the first thing I hear is him yelling at me about how the cat puked on the couch and now he has to take the cat to the vet on top of it and he hates them! WTF? I reminded him he offered, and he said "yeah I was being too nice and I regret it". Then he yelled some more for me picking up the soup bowl he was still using (I find easier to just pick up his mess since when I ask him he accuses me of "nagging" and "acting like a mom"). I really think he's being an ungrateful brat, not appreciating any of the things I bring to the relationship and complaining about any sacrifice he makes for me. I'm having serious doubts about the marriage and thinking this attitude will only get worse after the wedding and when we have a kid. I really don't want to back out, I want things to improve, but how do I get this guy to mature a bit and get off his high horse? There's a sweet guy in there somewhere, there used to be, and I want him back!