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    trugem    January 2011  

    Hi,

    FH and I want to get a dog soon (after the wedding). What should we do to be prepared?  I have owned dogs in the past as a child, but things have changed. How do we get the microchip thing? Where do we get a dog house/how much do they cost? Where do we get a dog? lol We are new to this town and we still don't know it well. We want a chocolate lab and we want it to have its papers. Any advice?

     

     
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    soonerpsych    June 26, 2010   Oklahoman at heart, now in Southwest FL

    Are you wanting your dog to be indoors or outdoors primarily?  We got our crate from Petsmart for a 40lbs dog for about $40, but that was a couple years ago.  I strongly suggest using a natural dog food, like Nutro.  Our dog has done much better on a natural diet, and my best friends work in the business and say you should only go with natural food.  Petsmart and Petco both carry crates, dog houses and natural food options.  We get a lot of toys, Nylabone (great option for chewers), and things like pick up bags at Walmart.  

    Most any vet can do microchipping, and most adoption shelters will automatically microchip with your adoption fee now.  I would ask breeders, since you seem to be going that route, if they offer the same service.  We adopted our dog from a shelter, so I don't know where to tell you to look for reputable breeder names. 

     
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    MissGreen    July 2009  

    Ok, I have no clue where you live but we have a chocolate lab thats 3 (we got him at 6 wks old) and we actually just got a 6 week old yellow lab last week! First thing, please please please have alot of patience. Puppies in general are alot of work and it takes awhile to pick up on crate training, house breaking etc and some people have the patience and some unfortunately dont. We have not slept much the last few days bc we are crate training and you have to be consistent even when the crying is too much to bear.

    If you want a pure bred chocolate lab with the papers you will need to go through a breader. Check your classifieds, check online but you won't find one at a pet store. The average range is $350-450 so it does get costly especially from a reputable breader. Our munchkin was $450. You can get any of the supplies such as crate and such at any pet store. Your vet can microchip. And an FYI, I love chocolate labs, I love all labs, but chocolates are more of the wild labs and tend to be more energetic than yellow or black labs. If you are the type of couple that worries about nice things and can't stand messes or an occasional accident or chew incident than labs are not for you. Labs crave attention and don't do well alone for long periods of time. There are really good websites out there on labs, tips for dealing with lab puppies and puppy training in general. Do you research first to make sure it is a good fit for you before jumping into anything.

     
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    trugem    January 2011  

    @soonerpsych: Thank you! He or she will be outdoors. FH said that since we will be getting a puppy, we need to keep it either in the garage our indoors to watch it at first. He said it will protect it from eating something it is not supposed to. Is that true?

     
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    trugem    January 2011  

    @MissGreen: Great tips! Thanks!

     

     
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    MissGreen    July 2009  

    @trugem: Labs are curious dogs and no matter what will always find something they want to eat at all ages. You will need to intermix being outdoors and indoors. It is a difficult transition to train and raise a dog indoors then all of a sudden throw them outside only. Labs are good family dogs and do well inside.

     
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    Prewitt    June 19, 2011   England

    The vets do the microchip. We got our pups from seeing an advert on puppy websites. Check the pedigree papers as in-breeding does go on. The first breeders we saw a couple of years ago when looking for our ridgebacks they rang too many alarm bells for my FI and I. For one, there was interbreeding with them when looking at the pedigree one dog inparticular appeared on both sides. You'll know by the feel of the people and place when you make your decision. I've included a pic of our ridgebacks and our black lab p.s I know the brown ones are full of energy.

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    R.Elliott    September 24, 2011   Dallas, TX

    Make sure you can afford to keep them healthy. Vet bills can be expensive for yearly check ups, shots, spay/neuter, etc.

    The vet will have information on how to get the pet microchipped.

    You can buy from a breeder if you are dead set on a pure-bred, but there are millions of pets in shelters that need to be adopted into good homes. I would highly recommend you check out your local shelters to see if there is a dog that you like there.

    Otherwise, ask some locals who have dogs - try the dog park if your city has one, a local shelter, or a pet store for information on quality breeders as opposed to puppy mills.

    We got both of our crates from Craig's List in like-new condition, for half the price. When the puppy outgrew his first one, we bought a second one on Craig's List as well.

    Good luck! Getting a puppy was the best thing FI and I ever did.

     
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    soonerpsych    June 26, 2010   Oklahoman at heart, now in Southwest FL

    @trugem: I would be hesitant to leave a puppy outside 24/7, but if they grow used to being an inside dog, it will be a lot of work on your part to transition them to being an outside dog.  I'm not sure on the answer here.  But I do know that puppies eat a ton of stuff they shouldn't.  Our dog ate random things in the next room over until she was nearly 2.  Maybe it would be better to just make sure there aren't things in the yard or area that the puppy could eat.  So keep flowers/plants gated off, don't leave objects like gardening tools or kids toys in the yard, etc.

     
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    Mrs.KMM    July 17, 2010   Atlanta, GA (wedding in Indianapolis, IN)

    Another idea is to find a breed-specific rescue/club in your area.  Lab rescues/clubs are pretty common and many of those dogs will actually have papers.  So you get the purebred with papers that you're looking for and you also get to adopt a dog from a shelter that needs a home.

    In terms of stuff you need - Petsmart, Petco, etc will have all the crates, beds, toys, food, etc that you'll need.  DH and I didn't buy anything ahead of time.  We just took our new dog over the Petsmart the evening we got her and bought her all of that stuff then.  I second the natural food that a PP recommended.  We use Blue Buffalo and our lab mix loves it!

     
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    trugem    January 2011  

    Thanks everyone! I was thinking of training the dog outside. Plus, we plan to take him or her to obedience school. FH is dead set on having the papers for the dog, but we will pick the dog that we fall in love with.

    @Prewitt: Cute dogs! We may need to get the chocolate dog because he or she would be able to keep up with FH. lol

     
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    gabrielleelise1981    August 28, 2010   Portland, Maine

    Why does the pup need to be purebred with papers? Unless you plan to breed, I don't see the importance of papers, papers don't gaurantee anything. I would check out your local shelters first, and Petfinder also – you can narrow your search by breed, if you are set on a lab over other breeds.

    You need to watch/monitor any breed of puppy when they are young – like a toddler, puppies don’t necessarily know what is “food” and what isn’t, and will eat lots of things that are not kibble. I would definitely do some research on good brands of food, they are a bit more expensive but worth it.

    You can buy crates at most big box stores, but I see them online all the time on craigslist, freecycle, and sometimes see them at thrift shops for lots cheaper. The cost of a doghouse depends on what you want – they have wooden doghouses, plastic doghouses, even heated doghouses - all different prices.

    Puppies also need consistency, and attention. Dogs are social animals, they don’t like to live outside by themselves all the time. They want to be with you, because you are their pack.

     
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    CorgiTales    February 1, 2011  

    ... what is the point of getting a dog if it is going to be an outside dog? I'm sorry, but dogs are pack animals and its just not nice to them to leave them alone so much. If you aren't willing to let the dog live inside with you, please PLEASE do not get one. 

    Please read this: http://www.paw-rescue.org/PAW/PETTIPS/DogTip_BackyardDogs.php

     
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    Lovespearls    June 13, 2010   New York & DC & Austin

    @trugem: I would also be very hesitant to keep your dog outside all the time.  They will never really be an inside dog then.  Do you just want the dog for protection or do you want it to be a loving member of your family?  If you keep the dog inside you can restrict places/things it can be/sit on etc. Please give that some thought.  Also as someone else said there are hundreds of dogs in shelters/rescue foundations/foster homes that need a home, you should consider that as well.  Some of those dogs can be the most loving and wonderful pets (my dog included who is an angel).  To answer your microchip question you get that done at the vet, when you spay/nueter your dog they can do it then since your dog will already be under the anethesia for the operation. If you consider adoption this is a great way to go http://www.petfinder.com/index.html 

     
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    trugem    January 2011  

    @Mrs.KMM: Thanks! That is a great idea.

    I looked on either petsmart or petco website last night and there were so many choices. FH is afraid that I will go overboard with this dog. lol

     
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    Miss Taco Night    May 2011  

    I second @CorgiTales - I'm not trying to be critical at all, but dogs love to be with their people and I think it's really sad when puppies/dogs are left outdoors. You are their "person" and they look to you for companionship as well as food and care. Please just think carefully about that before you bring home a puppy.

    FI and I just adopted our first puppy and it's the best decision we've ever made! Good luck Smile

     
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    trugem    January 2011  

    I don't plan on keeping him outside all of the time. I never had an inside dog so I never thought of it in a way that it would hurt the dog. We are going to play with him or her all of the time (he/she will come inside too), but he or she will have a house outside.

    I've never liked the idea of chaining a dog. IDK about getting him or her fixed.

     
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    linguo42    February 27, 2011   Vancouver, B.C.

    @trugem: IDK about getting him or her fixed.

    Please, please spay/neuter your dog, especially if it will be living outdoors some of the time. The last thing the world needs is more strays and unwanted litters.

    I'm with @CorgiTales as well, I don't really see the point in keeping a dog outside even part-time. I love having my pets indoors with me, and there are enough random nutjobs out there who will steal pets right out of their own yards that I would never consider letting mine stay outside all night. I really don't get the need for it to live outside if you provide it with proper crate and obedience training.

     
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    CorgiTales    February 1, 2011  

    @trugem: why wouldn't you just let him live inside? It isn't safe for a dog to be outside. Extreme temperatures (hot or cold) can be an issue as well as predators. Also, as much as you think you will play with your dog "all the time" I guarantee you will not. I don't have a particularly busy job, I have no kids, I have a pretty "easy" schedule I'd say and there are still days I don't have time to "play" with my dog. But the fact that he lives in my house and sleeps in my bedroom means we're still together and bonding even if I don't have time to sit and play fetch with him. Dogs can have some really terrible behavior problems when left outside a lot and really don't learn how to be family members. Here is what I typically see with people who leave their dogs outside.... they think they will play with them a lot but they don't. The dogs get bored and then get SO excited when they actually see a person that they're super hyper/rough. Its not fun to play with a hyper/rough dog so you play with him/her less. Then they become more bored and MORE hyper/rough when they see people because they see them even less... it is a vicious cycle. I went to my cousin's house earlier this year and they didn't even want me to go outside to see the dog because he was a "bad dog".... I went out anyways because I don't believe in such a thing and the dog acted as though he was going to have a heart attack he was so happy I was paying attention to him. It broke my heart into pieces to think about his day... day in and day out with so little interaction except being fed and played with maybe twice a week... ugh. 

    I'm really sorry I'm going on about this but I think people just don't put enough thought into getting pets sometimes and I can't stand to think about animals suffering, especially when there is still time to prevent it. There is just absolutely no reason IMO to have an outside dog. Let the dog stay inside or don't get a dog. Please. 

     
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    veganglam    January 5, 2013   Philadelphia; Wedding in NYC

    I completely agree with CorgiTales.  Keeping a dog outside is akin to keeping a toy in a chest until you want to play with it, then putting it away.  An outdoor dog will never be as close to you as an indoor dog would be, as trusting or as loving.  Not to mention the myriad health risks for outside dogs that people have already mentioned--predators, ticks, fleas, and other pests, extreme temperatures and inclement weather, and neighbors and passersby who are up to no good (there have been countless reports of neighbors, sick of barking or just generally deranged or dog-hating, doing things like poisoning outdoor dogs, violently attacking and mutilating them, stealing them, and so on).  I have many friends that work for the local no-kill animal shelter, and it would make you so sick to hear some of the things that people have done to outdoor dogs.  Please don't do this to your new dog.  Give it the loving home it deserves and you will be rewarded with a well-adjusted, loving constant companion and best friend.

     
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    MandaMack    September 10, 2011   Pittsburgh, PA

    You want to go to a breeder (not adopt a shelter pup) so that you can get the papers for an OUTSIDE DOG!? I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. First of all, there are thousands of labs in shelters. Secondly, leaving a dog primarily outside (by itself as you don't have other dogs) is horrendous. As others have said, dogs are pack animals, they need to be with their people. And you aren't sure if you're going to get this dog which you bought from a breeder and primarily leave outside fixed??? What happens if it reproduces?

     

    I don't mean to sound harsh, but I really think you should re-evaluate whether or not you should be getting a pet, or change your plans in order to accommodate the large commitment whixh comes along with getting a dog.

     
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    cbee    July 26, 2010  

    Trugem,

    I love labs!  First off, expect a butt-load of energy.  My Lab LOVES being outside, so in this case, I don't agree with the others.  He is also messier (kinda long fur) than my GSP which is inside outside.  Labs love outdoors and have super thick coats, so I don't think that is a problem.  Expect to train him from the start (both of my dogs were trained not to bark unless at a stranger).  Teach him to fetch to bond with you and unleash his energy.  Take him running daily.  Spend time having him sit and stay and positively reward him.  Good luck!

    I know a lot of great dogs that live outside.

     
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    HisIrishPrincess    March 23, 2012  

    Labs are amazing!! We have a black lab and she is awesome.  She's three years old and this is the first year she's been in the house at night.  Last year during the blizzard is the ONLY time she came in and that was after we dragged and pulled her and pushed her in the house and then she whined looking out the windows.  We've had a golden retriever and a whiemeramyer(sp) and they all stayed outside 24/7.  They develop a coat that is thick to keep them warm.  We got them in the spring as puppies and by that winter they were ready for it.  She has a dog house that is raised up off the ground, and when we lived in the suburbs we put hay in it for insulation.  It needs to be changed every other week.  She's only inside now because we moved to the city, she has a fenced in yard to run around all day but i have a completely irrational fear (so i'm told) of rats and i'm convinced they will just move into the straw. 

    We did get her from a breeder in our area, she has her papers, as do her parents/grandparents aunts uncles brothers and sisters, however she did loose vision in one eye when she was a puppy, so even with papers there's no guarantee.  

    The only other thing I'd warn you about with Black Labs is that they have a TON of energy, we play with her before we leave in the morning, the neighbor hops our fence and plays with her every day, long walks when i get home from work and she still ready to go run and jump and she'll be four in the spring.  She should start calming down a little next year .... maybe!!!  Good luck labs are so loveable 

     
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    abbyful    June 7, 2011   Kansas City

    First, make sure a lab is compatible with your lifestyle.

    Labs are large, active dogs. If they are left to their own devices and get bored, fully expect to have a chewed up couch. And labs are in the "puppy stage" until they are about 3 years old.

    There are lots of labs in shelters (a lot of people get them and they don't realize how active and puppy-ish they are, so they get abandoned).

    All labs, chocolate, yellow, and black, are the same breed. Don't let color be a dictating factor, the individual dog should be your deciding factor. (I love red and red sable papillons, but I ended up with 2 black & whites.)

    If you want to get from a breeder, here's a good website to help you tell the difference between a good breeder and bad breeder. http://www.wonderpuppy.net/1breeding.php

    Labrador Retriever Club (Labrador national breed club) "Selecting A Puppy" - http://www.thelabradorclub.com/subpages/show_contents.php?page=Selecting+A+Puppy

     

    As far as supplies, for the basics you'll need:
    - crate
    - collar & leash
    - food/water bowls (stainless steel is best)
    - some toys- enzyme pet stain cleaner (Nature's Miracle, Simple Soulution, etc)
    - basic grooming supplies (brush, shampoo, dog toothpaste & toothbrush, ear cleaner, nail trimmers or pedi-paws if you're going to clip nails yourself)

     

     

    For food (which I'm a bit obsessed with canine nutrition), a raw prey-model diet is best. http://www.dogster.com/forums/Raw_Food_Diet/thread/431875

    If you want to feed kibble, check out this website: http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/

     

    As far as cost, the cost of the animal is always the cheapest part. Expect to spend around $1000 the first year of the dog's life (supplies, food, vet bills, training classes, etc).

     
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    trugem    January 2011  

    Hi everyone! Thanks for responses. I really don't want this thread to turn into a debate about whether a dog should be indoors or outdoors. I respect everyone's opinions, but I do not want a debate.

     

     

    @HisIrishPrincess: I think FH wants the papers just to verify that he is getting what he has paid for.

     

    @abbyful: Thanks for the tips!

    Thanks everyone!

     
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    laktolkr    May 14, 2011  

    My FI and I have a lab. His name is Ruger, and he turned 1 year in May! We've had him since he was about 8 weeks old. He's a white/yellow full blooded Lab. He's pretty big now -and thinks he's a lap dog! I've always had small indoor dogs, so Ruger is my first BIG dog. He has a dog door that leads from the kitchen to the fenced in backyard. He is usually only allowed in the kitchen & laundry room, and he goes inside/outside whenever he wants! He enjoys being outside during the day though....he always sleeps inside in the laundry room.

    It's been a change from having dachshunds to a lab. I love it though! He's a fireball of energy during the day, and he loves to cuddle at night. We were able to train him very easily using lots of positive reinforcements (treats, praise, play time).  It only took two hours for FI to teach him "sit" and "no jumping"....those are the main ones he needed!!

    I really don't know anything about the microchip, but I've been wanting to learn more about it. Local vets in your area will be able to provide tons of info for you. Here's a link to a website that has a bunch of info about labs too! http://www.justlabradors.com/

    And of course -here is our Ruger!

    FH and I want to get a dog :  wedding Ruger

    **EDIT -I promise I resized that so it would be small?! Sorry about that!

     
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    hedgeknits    August 28, 2010  

    I agree with Corgitales, and with other posters regarding the papers. Please keep in mind that papers don't mean you're getting what you paid for. A dog can be REALLY non-breed-standard (as far as looks and behavior goes), and REALLY unhealthy, with a REALLY bad temperament, and still have his papers. Papers just mean that the parents were both registered as Labradors, and that the dog is *most likely* a purebred Labrador (though the papering process is not perfect, and it is possible to fraudulently obtain them). Especially for labs, who are one of the the most common breeds of dog in the country. Remember, too, that a purebred shelter or rescue puppy is just as good as a pup from a breeder- especially if you're not going to show it.

    Also, an outdoor dog, if you take proper care of it, can potentially be a more expensive dog. This is because of the health risks involved with living outdoors and being subject to various weather conditions, potentially more parasites (they've just got more time to be exposed to them), the increased possibility of accidents (including traffic accidents, hunting accidents if the dog is loose and hunting is common in your area, and more nefarious things (like poisoning) if you've got troublemakers or dog haters around). All of this can potentially add up. They can also be more time-intensive to properly socialize, since they don't spend their down-time around you, with constant reminders to behave themselves.

    If you really want to go for a breeder, look for someone who has all of their dogs completely up-to-date medically, who will let you come in and see the place where the pups are raised, and who carefully screens all applicants (so you don't get the pup just because you've got enough cash)- it's an especially good sign if they're willing to disclose medical problems in the lines, and if they're willing to take the puppy back if you don't want it anymore (this shows they really care for their dogs' welfare).

    I think you mention upthread that you don't know much about spaying and neutering, so here's some info: it's a really good idea! It makes pets a lot easier to live with, by eliminating hormonal issues (in both males and females). It also extends the life of the pet by eliminating their chances of certain cancers (in females the lowered risk of mammary cancer is especially important- it's the most common cancer in dogs, and an early spay reduces the chances of it GREATLY; also the reduced risk of pyometra is nice). Your vet will give you more information on this and on required shots. You'll also want to look into dog licensing in your area (contact your city or county animal control for information on that).

    You can get a microchip at just about any vet's office, just be sure to update it! So many people chip their dogs, and then forget to register the chip or keep it up-to-date if they move! Guess what happens when the dog is found then? It might not come home- because the company can't reach the owners if they don't have the right information! Also, even with the chip, keep an ID tag with your contact info on the dog. Vet's offices and shelters have scanners, but your neighbors can get the dog home quickly if they can just walk it back to your house or give you a call when she becomes lost.

    Good luck finding a new pet!

     
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    caszos    June 2010   Florida

    I agree that spaying/neutering a dog helps with hormonal issues with the dog.  I think males that are neutered are much more laid back than ones that aren't.  It also helps when socializing them.  

    My dog is an indoor/outdoor dog.  At various points in his life (he's 3) he has been both a 100% indoor dog and 100% outdoor dog.  When we got him as a puppy he was indoors with me in an apartment but when we visited my IL's they don't allow dogs inside so he stayed outside with their dog.  They had about 1 acre fenced and plenty of shelter for the dogs (meaning fans in the summer, heated blankets in the winter, allowed on the porch to keep bugs off, etc).  He transitioned fine.  

    When we bought our house we tried to keep him as an outside only dog.  It didn't work because he was lonely outside and didn't get enough attention.  He either needed a friend to keep him company in the yard or to come inside and be with us.  We chose to allow him to come inside.  He is not allowed in any of the bedrooms or in the kitchen.  He knows his boundaries.  When we are gone during the day or for extended periods of time he is in our fenced back yard.  He has access to the garage where he has a futon to sleep on (something soft to lay on and keeps him off the cold concrete) and shade and water.  We also feed him outside because he's kinda a messy eater.  

    So, raising a puppy to be both an indoor and outdoor dog might be tough.  Dogs like labs may not understand why they are being "locked outside" away from their family.  Would the dog be inside when you are home and outside when you are gone?  Where would the dog sleep?  

    Leaving a puppy unattended in a yard can be tough.  There are so many unknowns you have to be careful of.  Are they going to dig under the fence or jump over the fence?  Is everything picked up and put away where they can't get into anything?  Will they chew on sticks that could cause them to choke?  

     

     
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    trugem    January 2011  

    Thanks for the tips. Our back yard is fenced in. We have no trees, but the old owners had a garden that we plan on getting rid of before we get a dog. I'm going to discuss everything that I have read on here with FH. Thanks again.

     
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    Beluga    July 16, 2011  

    Please consider adopting. As others have said, unless you're going into breeding, papers don't mean much. And in terms of "getting what you're paying for," unless you're breeding, it's a dog, not an investment. A chocolate lab and a chocolate lab crossed with something similar are not going to be that different. Why spend hundreds or (gasp!) thousands on a piece of paper? Purebreds tend to have a lot more health problems, which is even more $$ and major emotional trauma in the long run. Shelters and breed-specific rescue organizations have tons of dogs who need good homes.

    Also, I don't know anything about keeping dogs outside - mine have always lived indoors, and then gone hiking with me. I won't weigh in on that debate, because I don't know the facts.

    But this I know: if you're going to keep the dog outside, you MUST fix it. When dogs want to mate, they find a way. 

    Please, please, everyone: spay and neuter your pets. Never, never buy from petstores. Adopt before you buy. 

    To clarify, this is not just advice for you, Trugem, but for any inexperienced dog owners!

     
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    trugem    January 2011  

    @Beluga: Thanks! I mean that we don't want to get scamed. That is what we are afraid of. Someone selling us a lab, when it is really something else. I guess we are afraid of running into a dishonest seller.

    I want a chocolate lab, but we are open to any color lab. At the end of the day, we will buy a yellow, black, brown, or mixed dog if we fall in love with it.

     
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    europomme    September 17, 2011  

    I'm not sure where you live, but if you're in the states, you should be able to find reputable breeders on the AKC website.  Or you can try googling labrador clubs in your area and they can point you in the direction of reputable breeders also.  Generally a reputable breeder will give you a genetic health guarantee, usually up to a year for serious health issues, and require spay/neutering by a certain age.  You really should consider spay/neuter though.  Microchipping is usually done by the breeder, but a vet can easily do it also, it's basically just a needle (which is thicker than a regular needle) and the microchip is about the size of a grain of rice.  It's very easy to do.  Most dog supplies you can get at your local pet store. Puppies are a lot of work in the beginning, but it can be very rewarding :)

    The good thing about purchasing from a reputable breeder also is that you will be able to meet the mother, and sometimes the father of the puppy you are getting.  Also, you can ask for references from other purchasers to ensure they had a good experience with the breeder.  Dont forget to ask what types of health testing they do to minimize health issues.  Good breeders will also offer lifetime support if you ever have any questions or concerns, as they are VERY knowledgeable in their breed.

    Good luck on your search!

     

     
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    trugem    January 2011  

    @europomme: Thank you!

     
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    veganglam    January 5, 2013   Philadelphia; Wedding in NYC

    @trugem: What are you hoping to "prove" by having papers verifying your dog's bloodline?  Purebred dogs are less hearty than mutts, by far, in general, because along with breeding certain traits into them breeds certain ailments as well.  A mutt, whose background is extremely varied and has much less intertwining in its family tree, will have less problems, ie hip dysplysia, common in full-blood labs.  A shelter dog is just as sweet, smart, loyal and affection--perhaps even more so than a dog bought from a breeder 

    Back before I was too young to voice my opinion, we got a full-blooded golden retriever from a breeder.  Oh, we had its papers, its AKC registration, and we had searched for what seemed to be a responsible breeder (I think the term is an oxymoron at this point--breeding ANY dog when million of strays that would make fabulous house pets are put to sleep daily in shelters or die on the streets is just senseless).  And by age 2, he was diagnosed with severe hip dysplasia and had to be operated on multiple times, which made a poor quality of life for this dog. He ended up not being able to run or play with any other dogs due to fears about injuring the pins placed into his hips or worsening his condition.  By 7, he developed what we eventually discovered to be a brain tumor, which pushed one of his eyeballs out (we had to have it removed then his eye sewn shut), and caused him seizures in which he would lose control of his bowels and bladder.  He was in diapers and constantly in and out of the vet for about a year before the doctor gave us the grim news that the tumor was taking over his brain and trying to remove it would kill him.  We spent tens of thousands of dollars on this dog because he'd become part of our family, but over the hundreds of years of breeding this specific breed, it'd become much less resilient against certain ailments.  The same is true of every purebred.  You can google this and find plenty of stories just like it.

    Please consider adopting from a shelter (there are plenty of labs at shelter, especially black ones), or, if you're really set on a lab, getting one through a rescue (there are plenty of lab rescues, and both rescues and shelters have tons of puppies).  Every dog bought from a breeder is one more dog killed in an over-capacity shelter.

    Sorry if you don't like to hear this, but you did ask this on a public forum and these are facts everyone considering getting a dog should realize.  It makes me sick to my heart to think about how many wonderful dogs need homes but are ignored and killed in shelters because there are just too many of them.  A shelter pet can be a very, very wonderful pet.  

     
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    twentyeleven    January 1, 2016   NC

    Everyone here has given you a lot of great information! I definitely agree with other PPs about spaying/neutering, microchipping, etc. I don't necessarily believe that you can't have an outdoor dog/pet, but there are right and wrong ways to go about it. Just something that I have noticed about outdoor pets I see at the hospital I work at is they tend to be VERY unsocialized, both with people and other dogs. While they are usually friendly it's the complete lack of training and regular handling that makes them the kind of dog nobody really wants to have around, unfortunately.

    Also, depending on the area, you MUST MUST MUST keep them on flea/tick/heartworm prevention year round. Rates of infection for heartworm vary around the country but at least where I live (NC) it is extremely common and all it takes is one mosquito!

    Last but not least, because again you've already gotten plenty of advice: one last note about spaying/neutering. A large perecentage of pets hit by cars are intact. Males ESPECIALLY will do anything they need to get to a local female in heat- they can actually tell if there is one nearby for anything up to 3-5 miles. Along with the reduced risk of cancers/prostate issues, etc it is 100% recommended if you aren't going to breed (any responsible breeder will require you to spay/neuter anyway if you are only purchasing a "pet" quality dog that you won't be showing).

     
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    trugem    January 2011  

    @veganglam: I think my previous response will answer the first part of your question:

    @Beluga: Thanks! I mean that we don't want to get scamed. That is what we are afraid of. Someone selling us a lab, when it is really something else. I guess we are afraid of running into a dishonest seller.

    I want a chocolate lab, but we are open to any color lab. At the end of the day, we will buy a yellow, black, brown, or mixed dog if we fall in love with it.

    If we were to fall in love with a lab and something else mix, then we would buy it. FH would probably want papers stating the bred(s) that he or she is. I understand that some people may not understand this, but that is what he wants.

    I vaguely remember seeing something on the news about muts. I think they said that doodle mixes were good, but I forgot the reason. So I will do some more research on that.

    We are still in the beginning stages of this and I will be looking at everyone's sources. FH and I have never purchased a dog before. FH's dogs were always strays (well technically they were his parents) so we will do a lot of research before buying.

     
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    trugem    January 2011  

    @twentyeleven: Thanks! You are right. There is a right and wrong way to go about this. I am pretty sure that we will get the dog sprayed/neutered now. You all have convinced me. lol I never knew what would happen if I didn't. Thanks bees!

     
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    LittlestBirds    July 24, 2010   Seattle, WA

    @trugem: I just want to commend you on being so open to all the advice you're receiving on this thread. I think it's great that you're interested in learning more about the best way to acquire and raise a dog, even if it means learning about perspectives that might seem challenging to the plans you've stated that you guys have already decided on. Dogs around the world would be a lot happier if every potential dog-owner took the step you're taking now and educated themselves about what they might expect, and what to know before making the decision to take on the huge responsibility of bringing a dog into their family.

    Personally, I think the experience of adopting a dog from a shelter is incredibly rewarding for many reasons, and one of those reasons is that the application process forces you to think about the many problems that cause dog owners to give up their dogs. When you see questions on an application like "how many hours per day will this dog spend alone" and "will this household be joined by young children any time soon," you realize that these shelters have to deal with many, many puppies who get returned every year because they start acting in ways that their new humans aren't prepared to deal with. Raising a puppy can be so frustrating, it's not hard to imagine why so many people return their dogs when they can't get them to stop destroying the furniture, aggressively barking at guests, etc. Even if you do decide to buy from a breeder, I would recommend doing a lot of reading, including looking at applications from shelters to get an idea of what situations you want to avoid ending up in. Again, you're to be applauded for taking this step of educating yourself, and I hope you have a wonderful life with your new puppy as a part of the family.

     
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    veganglam    January 5, 2013   Philadelphia; Wedding in NYC

    @trugem: It doesn't.  I'm asking you why you feel you need a dog with papers at all.  Who cares if the dog isn't purebred?  Are you showing it? Are you breeding it?  If you're so set on getting a dog from a breeder, then frankly, I'd be thankful if it had a little muddled blood--all that makes for is a heartier dog.

     
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    trugem    January 2011  

    @LittlestBirds: Thank you very much!

     

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