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Hello everyone, and thanks in advance for reading. I've given this one lots of thought, but can't decide.
One of my coworkers several years ago and I became close friends. I moved away and FH stayed behind (before we were engaged.) She and I are both notoriously bad about staying in touch, so we haven't spoken 10 sentences in 2 years, and we are happy and comfortable with that.
My FH and I had dated for more than 7 years. I'm a brunette and have always had insecurities around blondes and she's one of those. He used to joke that he was going to run off with her, and would laugh at my "Noo!" reaction. I would return the joking, saying that they two blondes would look good together.
After a while, the joking came quite often and being far away, I started to become paranoid about whether or not they were involved, because they often did social things together. However, he has few friends and I never wanted to rob him of his one friend in the area.
I eventually asked him if anything was going on, and he said no.
Flash forward a year, and one night he tells me that he needs to tell me something. He says that he "has feelings" for her, but that he is not attracted to her sexually, that it was nothing I did or didn't do, and that he has no intentions of being with her. He even admitted his feelings to her, she reacted with shock and discomfort because she is happily dating someone, and he says he did this to try to make the feelings wear off. I understand these reactions, because I've had crushes myself.
He says he's happy he told me, that he hated keeping a secret, and that he was eager to move on with our lives (we became engaged a few months later - he had planned it by the time he confessed.)
I tried to react as soberly as possible, and had a few bouts with anger and depression, but I didn't lose trust in him. He asked me to keep this one problem between us, but it was such a strong weight on my heart that I told the story to only one person - his father, to whom I am very close. His father was sympathetic with me, and told me not to worry.
Now we're making a guest list, and I don't know what to do about my friend, who is aware (and embarassed) that I know the full story. If I do not invite her, I would be ensuring comfort of my FH (who cut ties with her after their friendship quickly soured) and my own conscience, since I wouldn't want FH's father, for example, to wonder what's going on. I want no ambiuity on my wedding day. However, if I exclude her, she will no doubt be hurt and we never had a falling out ourselves.
I could talk to her. I could lay everything out and address the issue directly, but I wonder what the options are other than that. Talking to her directly would be annoying, but managable.
What do you think, though?
Eeek! I wouldn't invite her, but I would talk to her and tell her why because if you didn't invite her and never talked to her about it, your friendship will be over for SURE. Tell her you very much value your friendship and history, but you feel awkward in this situation and aren't really sure the best way to handle it, but that this is what you feel. That is, if that's what you actually feel... I would. ;) Good luck! This must be a hard thing to go through.
That's a really tough one...I don't think I'd feel uncomfortable having here there. You don't need any awkwardness on your wedding day!!
I can only offer *hugs* and not much advice. I'm sure this is much more complicated than you are able to explain in a few paragraphs.
I personally wouldn't invite your friend, and I would re-evaluate your plans for marriage. It sounds like you're not completely secure and sure of your relationship with your FI. In my opinion, it's of the utmost importance to feel like you can trust him with ANYTHING... you're not there yet, by the sounds of things. Good luck, I hope you find some answers.
ddubzz: Hello :) Actually, what's interesting is that the only feelings I'm concerned for are hers and for appearances with his father. I'm so comfortable talking to him, that if I invited her but explained the decision to him he would be completely understanding and I could cross him off that list.
Anyhow, what I replied to say was that I am actually very certain and trusting of my FH - when we spoke over the course of a few months I became very convinced that he was sincerely sorry that he developed feelings. Having been in a long distance relationship for long periods of time, I too found that when you work closely with others you sometimes develop very unwanted feelings and they simply need to pass. Because of this, I was very understanding and as long as he told me that he wanted to be with me, I was quite satisfied. My crushes eventually wore off completely, and he tells me that his have too.
I would invite her. It's not her fault that your FI strayed. She didn't seem to reciprocate the feelings in any way. I'm not sure why it's an issue for your FH's father? I'm a little confused by that.
KateMW: Although my FH asked me not to discuss the issue, it was too huge for me to bear by myself, especially when I went through more "sad" phases of acceptance. So, I confided in his father who didn't think his son's actions were right and consoled me through this "rough patch."
Although when we got engaged he was extra surprised as a result, he's sure everything is great between us. However, I have a fear (perhaps silly) that if he sees her there he'll think that his son invited her (and is up to something), instead of me being gracious. There is no doubt that her presence will pique his father's curiosity.
I guess I wouldn't want her presence making others feel that something is strange (I guess people go through this with ex-girlfriends.)
I wouldn't invite her. I think your wedding day should be about celebrating the beginning of a new life between you and your husband, and why run the risk of anything tarnishing that? I know she is a close friend, and I think she has probably already thought about all of this on her own. She may feel awkward about coming to the wedding also! My gut feeling is that the day should be about you two, and if anyone elses' presence will interfere or stress you out, don't invite them! This must be a hard decision for you, good luck!
I agree with KateMW and would invite her. It is NOT HER FAULT he fell for her. She also did NOT ENCOURAGE HIM in any way apparently. It is your FH who had the problem.
Btw, I'm blonde and have had some women over the years say something similar about being "one of those" blondes as you put it, and it always hurt because I am simply who I am and NOT somebody to label. I'm not one to steal somebody's guy, and I am about as trustworthy and loyal a friend as you can get. My hair color and curves are just part of who I am and we should imho love our friends for who they are ON THE INSIDE.
If you were my friend irl, and I had been nothing but respectful to you when your guy made overtures to me and I was up front about wanting no part of it, and also thinking that he'd moved on from that "thing" he did, I would personally be hurt if you didnt' invite me to your wedding. And honestly, it would be a friendship deal breaker for me 100 percent for being somewhat "punished" for doing NOTHING to be punished for. I understand this is difficult, but she is your friend. Why not work to repair the friendship and get over her outward self, for she must care for you alot. How would you wish to be treated if the roles were reversed? Would you want her to do that to you?
For when the wedding is over, the dress is put away, the honeymoon pictures are in a scrapbook, there will still be the issue of your friend being able to remain your friend.
As far as FH's dad goes, I would let him know that nothing's happened for so long and she is YOUR FRIEND and the past is the past.
My overall concern would be for your FH. Developing "feelings" for another woman is a huge warning sign. Have you two COMPLETELY worked through this? this very issue would be at the top of my concern list, NOT my friend being at my wedding btw. Is that issue totally solved? Fidelity is huge to me btw.
I'm sorry you're going thru this mess and know it's a sticky situation. Wishing you love and happiness and here's a huge hive hug from me! ((((coconutmellie)))))
what are your reasons for wanting to invite her? are you two still close? it wasn't clear to me. if you're not close, don't t invite her--it's not worth the trouble and awkwardness that might result from your FH seeing someone with whom he had a falling out at his wedding. if she was already embarrassed in the first place about what transpired, i'm sure she will understand why she did not get an invite.
If you haven't spoken more than two sentences to her in the last two years, will you really be upset if she isn't at your wedding? I would pose that question about ANY guest, much less one who will bring that level of awkwardness around.
Maybe I am being harsh, but I would not invite her, would not call her to make a big deal about telling her she is not invited, and would probably never think about her again.
Am I mean? ;)
Regardless, do not spend this amount of time worrying about this. You have happier, and more important issues to deal with!
"we haven't spoken 10 sentences in 2 years, and we are happy and comfortable with that."
So clearly this girl is not a best friend.. an acquaintance that you can pick up with when you see her right? That time does not have to be your wedding. i'm sure she would understand, even though everything is over and done with, that you are a little uncomfortable with her there on the day you and your FH tie the knot. If she can't understand your decision and ends the friendship over not getting an invite, then she wasn't that good of a friend to begin with. It's your big day, do what you want girlie! You have no obligation to invite ANYONE :)
I wouldnt invite her either...honestly if I was her I'd feel awkward at a wedding of someone who had feelings for me, especially since their friendship soured so quickly. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it made her feel uncomfortable, and the wedding may as well. You also mentioned that the two of you don't keep in contact any longer, so I can't imagine she would be too angry/hurt she wasn't invited.
I think it could just save alot of weirdness/awkward/insecure feelings on a day you don't want to feel anything but excited and happy and secure.
Maybe after the wedding you can try to rekindle the friendship, but doing that now, so close to the wedding may give you unnecessary stress...Good luck :)
I'm sorry, but the most disturbing part of this story is the fact that your FH was dating you when he confessed his feelings to your girlfriend. Crushes are normal - and you were right to not flip out about the fact that he had one. But his reaction to his crush was completely inappropriate. If he had feelings for your friend, he should have just made sure to spend less time with her or only see her in non-tempting situations (like not drinking around her and only spending time with her when her boyfriend or other friends are present).
I honestly don't know any guys who confess their crushes to women, hoping that they will be shot down so that their feeling can lesson. The guys I know only express their feelings when they are hoping that the women feel the same way and are willing to date them. He also didn't tell you any of this until after it happened, when quite frankly he might have been worried that your friend would tell you what he said to her.
Is he generally an honest person? Or have there been any other situations in the past that have caused you to question his honesty or fidelity?
If I was in your situation I would NOT invite her, and considering their history she should totally understand. I think the fact that your FH admitted his crush to both her and you is really strange. I'm all for honesty and everything, but I think that's just weird. It's one thing to have an innocent crush, but it would take some serious feelings to actually admit them to your SO and your crush... just my two cents.
Did your FI tell her first and get rejected and THEN tell you? That would really bug me.
You refer to her as your best friend in the heading but then mention you haven't spoken in two years. If I read this correctly, it sounds like you two have drifted apart since your move. Additionally you mention that he no longer talks to her and for you talking to her directly would be annoying so it does not seem like you are so close right now. Based on these things, I would not invite her. It does not sound like your FH is excited for her to be there and, if I were here, i would most likely not attend if invited. Good luck.
I'm going to reply to everyone's questions, but I quickly want to reply to bellenga: I meant to write "and she is one," not "and she is one of THOSE."
I honestly wasn't making any implications about a certain type of blonde or anything of the sort. I'm really sorry if that ruffled you. I was just trying to give an example of the way we would joke about the two of them.
I think you know the answer ... Do Not Invite her! Why tempt the situation?
First, thank you to EVERYONE for your opinions and support, no matter what you thought I should do.
@bellenga - Yes, we have worked completely through things to where I'm comfortable When I developed crushes during our long distance relationship, (happened twice) I always followed the same protocol: I would let the guy know that if I act a bit giddy that's why, to let them know that I am happily committed and didn't want them to get mixed signals, and I always let FH know out of the interest of COMPLETE honesty and to ASSURE him that NOTHING would come of it, or had come of it. And they all eventually went away.
He seems to have done the exact same thing in this situation, so perhaps this is why I understand his actions. I'll save you a few other details that came up through our discussions, but the bottom line was that I saw him make serious efforts to assure me that he was not at all interested and that it accidentally developed and I saw him make serious efforts to remove her from his life, which was his decision.
@lavenderpug - pinkchampagne - We weren't SUPER duper close. We were two fresh faces at our work and we came together through adversity, and she was a good friend to me and my FH at a time when we had few. Very very few of my friends (because of the long distance thing) got to know the two of us as a couple, and so if none of this had happened she definitely would have an invite in her hand now, despite the 2 years of little interaction.
@professorbee - The idea that a guy would confess a crush to someone with NO intentions of seeing where it would take him was EXACTLY what struck my FH's father as strange, and that's actually the ONLY part of the whole scenario that he didn't approve of, as I wrote above. He and I both agree that crushes are natural, normal, and in our opinions can't be faulted in and of themselves. The confession issue didn't dawn on me until he pointed that out, and I guess I didn't see it as an attempt at her because it was the same thing I had done with guys I fell for briefly - I knew they weren't interested, and so it was a way to prompt their rejection and thus jar myself back to reality. Inevitably, they did give me the "I like our friendship the way it is" talk, and that definitely helped. Sometimes, I even asked them to help me by putting distance between us for a few weeks, which worked and they remained my friends as a result.
My FH told me directly that this was his intention, because he knew she didn't reciprocate the feelings and would reject him, and all the jokes were also his attempts at convincing himself that this is ALL JUST NONSENSE on his part. With regard to other infidelity, none at all. He actually was cheated ON, and it was extremely painful for him and so he always said that infidelity was the deal breaker for him. I believe him completely when he says he didn't ever make a move.
@KateMW - Yes, he did. I remember him telling me that when she found out that he told me, she was mortified - most likely because she was worried how I would feel about her. She wouldn't want me to be angry with her, which I'm not of course.
Yes, we haven't spoken for a while, but it's consistant with her character and mine that our friendship is solid and established even though there isn't daily contact. So, it's no wonder that this isn't an easy decision.
To add a strange twist to this whole thing (insult to injury, really): my FH must have been feeling quite annoyed/angry at himself and needed to vent to someone, so he vented to someone fairly close to him: my FSIL. Know what she told him? She liked my friend better than me, and told him he should chose her.
Awesome.
I say don't invite her. If you and she hardly talk anymore, I don't think she'll be offended. In fact, being invited to the wedding may make her uncomfortable.
My feelings on the matter: if inviting her "tempts the situation" then the marriage itself is a bad idea. If seeing her makes him want to cheat, then HE should not be getting married. I'd say take the FI part out of the equation entirely. As there was no cheating, she did nothing to encourage the situation. In fact, she reacted in shock and discomfort when she found out! If you wouldn't invite her regardless, don't. If you would, do. What I would be most concerned about is the fact that your FI told you about having feelings for another woman... we all get crushes, but feeling the need to reveal them is unnerving.
I think it's really odd that y'all both had such big crushes on different people that you BOTH told the other people.
The more I think about it and with the new information you've given, I would just let it be. Don't invite her and since y'all never talk anymore, don't worry about even telling her. She'll know why.
Given the family complications and that you guy aren't close any more, I wouldn't invite her.
Also - why did your FH tell you about what his sister said? That's a pretty big breach of confidence... plus it strains your relationship with his family.
@MrBee - He mentioned it because it shocked and hurt him. It was to convey "Can you believe how ridiculous she is?"
Wow, I'm really disgusted by your future sister in law. I wouldn't invite HER to the wedding!
I'm so sorry for all that you are going through, I hope it works out.
I wouldn't invite her. If you are not that close, why make the situation worse?
@aloweha I thought the same thing when I read about the future sister in law.
At this point, I probably wouldn't invite her. It doesn't sound like you two are that close after all this has transpired. I can't relate to the crushes on other people thing, personally, I'd be really worried if I were able to have feelings for someone other than my husband and vice versa. However, if you two have been able to work through this and want to start things off on the right foot, I'd say, just let this lie for now. I would guess things would get even more awkward than they are now if she attends your wedding.
Umm.. I know we don't know the entire story - but what it sounds like to me is that he TRIED to cheat on you with her and she rejected him. He felt stupid and wanted to make sure you didn't leave him (she might tell you if you are friends) so he 'confessed'. I'm sorry what I'm saying is so harsh, I'm not trying to upset you.
If you choose to stay with him after that and go through with the marriage (yes, people make mistakes, and yes, we forgive each other and move on) in that case it's better to remove her from your lives. Don't invite her to the wedding. Unfortunately it's not anything she did, but you can't have her in your lives anymore, ESPECIALLY on your wedding day.
If your FI wanted to keep things between the two of you, I'd say that that obviously didn't work out if both you and he are talking to "outsiders". That's a breach of trust. I'd be livid, but you did it, too, so I don't think you have the right to be upset that he talked to his sister if you talked to his dad.
I've been in a long distance relationship. I rarely saw my DH while he was deployed. Still don't see him that often. Oh, AND i work with all men and one woman. I went to a college that was 75% male. I never developed these "crushes" you speak of, and I think it's saying that you both need more attention than you can give each other. Whether the relationship isn't enough unless you are physically there for each other, or what. I'm sorry but I don't see how you can become attracted to someone if you are heavily involved to be married! Even if you think they're just "feelings", there is something there and that is a bad sign I think. All I know, is that in almost 5 years of a long distance relationship, I've never "felt" for anyone than my guy and feeling those things would make me reevaluate it all.
I also think it's inappropriate to joke between the two of you about him running off with another woman and you commenting how cute they'd be together. You may have put the idea in his head and nobody needs to hear that. I'd be super weirded out if my H mentioned to me that I'd look good with his friend.
I know you don't want to hear any of that, but that's just my opinion. Perhaps ask your friend how she'd feel about it.
What your FSIL said is not very nice. I agree I do not know why your FH conveyed that to you. I'll tell you this....my sister doesn't exactly care for my FH but I certainly wouldn't tell him any of the negative things she has said. They can at least tolerate each other on visits and I'd like to keep it that way.Also, even though our relationship is strong, I wouldn't want him thinking that her negative comments could impact my feelings for him.
About inviting your friend...that is a touch call. I say definitely talk to her before making the decision. I agree that it might actually be pretty uncomfortable for her to be there, but at the same time I can understand why you think she would be hurt. This isn't an easy decision either way you look at it. I would talk to your friend and have the conversation that you'll dread but might actually give you closure on the whole situation to be able to move on.
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I just wanted to say that you are being way more mature in this situation than I would be. Even if I got past his having a "crush" I don't think I could even entertain the thought of inviting her. So kudos to you for being really mature about all of it.
@HoneyBunny~ Why is it the friend's fault that her FI had a crush on her? I hate that reaction from people. It happens all the time when a man cheats. It's the woman that women get mad at first. It's BS. IMO, she should keep the friend and dump the FI.
KateMW - My point was that IF I had looked past what my fiance did, I personally would still be hurt by the situation as a whole which does include the other person and wouldn't want to be reminded of that on my wedding day and seeing that other person there would do that. I also understand that this isn't a situation where the "other woman" knowingly did something with someone who was in a commited relationship, and therefore isn't in the wrong but personally like I said before, it's just not something I would like to think of on my wedding day.
I see what you're saying HB. Good point. I am the type of person that couldn't have gotten past it in the first place, so I guess I wasn't thinking it through. :)
I don't think you should invite. But not because you might be jealous of your fiance's attraction to her.
If their frienship soured after he told her he felt something for her, and you two hardly keep in touch, it doesn't seem like she is close enough friends to either of you to merit an invitation unless you having a very large wedding and inviting acquaintances as well as close friends.
I don't think you're obligated to invite her at all!
@ejs4y8 - Thanks for expressing your opinion, and it's good to hear another point of a view, harsh or no.
It's interesting to look back on 10 years of a long distance relationship and to realize how much we've both grown. In retrospect, and from the perspective of others, these crushes are strange if not downright dangerous or a warning sign.
The way I felt about them at the time were that they were extensions of workplace sexual tension, because I never ever had feelings of wanting to be with the person in a relationship or leaving my boyfriend for them. Talking to male friends, this seems to be what they experience with other women, but would never ever admit these things to their wives. As long as no one makes any moves, there can be an understanding that we're all human beings with human feelings capable of surprising us. Even when wives or husbands are physically present people develop these issues.
My FH and I always felt this way, and in retrospect he was incredibly mature and supportive to me. For that reason, I couldn't bear being anything but the calmest, most accepting person I could during his turn at these occurences. And the icing on the cake is that I am more in love with him now than ever. (The crushes I had were....almost 7 years ago.)
All these things happened at a time of a great deal of personal change and growth for me as well, so the person I was then is not the person I am now.
Thanks so much for your imput; it's very appreciated.
Oh, and regarding the FSIL, I wasn't at all upset that he talked to her. From what he told me, it was severely weighing on his conscience and had to talk to SOMEBODY, too. The FSIL's comment is consistent with her past behavior, and that was the only thing that "stuck in my craw" a bit.
My FFIL and I have a very unique relationship which is totally different from the one with his son. Due to complicated family dynamics and personalities, what results is that he and I can speak quite frankly about important family matters in a context that removes all personal judgement. In other words, he was the only person that I could confide this issue to that wouldn't question the strength of our relationship as a whole (he called it "just a rough patch that will pass") nor would think badly of him for having these feelings. Anyone else would do both of these things, including my mother who I'm very close to.
Considering we moved past it pretty darn well, it was a good thing I didn't tell her, because she was riding a high at the time from the secret he confided in her that he was going to propose to me. I wouldn't want to upset her in that way over something that blew over.
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