Post # 1
For those of you who remember my past post about being in such a bad spot financially… it is still the case. We both have sent out resumes and not a single call has come back yet – which is very depressing.
FI and I were talking and we want him to apply to go back to school in either summer or the fall. The problem is that we are unsure of what he needs.
We already checked with OSAP (student loans/grants) and he could easily qualify to have almost all of his expenses covered for a year while in school. There’d of course be about $6000 in loans but it isn’t the end of the world if it helps him.
He really wanted to get into childcare but after talking with a professor in my school she warned me that employment is sharply dropping in our area for those graduates and next year there may not even be that course as a result! We looked at the trades – he doesn’t really have the skills or knowledge to get through the courses. We then looked at business – the school I do.
The simplest road is for him to take the first year of General Business which results in a “Business Management” Certificate. It really is simple stuff and I passed mine with all 90’s so I could tutor him if needed. He is willing to try but is still nervous that it may not help.
Does anyone think that even a 1 year certificate in business would help his chances at finding a job? His employment experience would still suck but I think a college certificate could help a little bit as far as getting interviews.
I’m trying not to get ahead of myself but I see him being able to go further in Business Marketing and perhaps even getting a diploma in it… but I don’t know what the job prospects for that are like…
Post # 3
@WeddingBells2014: Honestly, if he’s unemployed and you guys are really in a jam financially I would encourage him to learn a trade, whether in school or on the job. It’s very important to have a job that travels. With a business cert he could be sitting around with his his thumb up his ass (pardon my French) waiting for an opening forever. With a tangible skill he can go anywhere. Even a CDL will guarantee you a job. My husband has one and even though he doesn’t currently use it he can apply for a driving job anywhere if he needs to. I’m sure there’s something your FI is intelligent enough to learn to do something with his hands. Once he has the extra money he can always pursue business later on.
Post # 4
Good for him! It’ll still be tough for you guys to make it until he starts getting that school money but if they loans aren’t too high and he works through school it won’t ruin you.
I personally don’t think the 1 year certificate will help THAT much in finding a job, most places still want an excellent work history to accompany it.
If he can get through the first year I would highly recommend him going for a career in marketing or accounting – he can work almost anywhere doing stuff like that.
I do know that a lot of places seem more willing to hire a college student with no experience than someone down on their luck because they know the student is working to pay for school (even though the person is working to just survive… don’t really get it). But it just seems much easier to get jobs as a student then as a little experience worker alone.
Post # 5
Take this with a grain of salt as business is not my area, but I think a one year certificate in something as general as ‘business management’ is not going to benefit your fiance at all – what are the employment prospects for that at the end of the year for someone who has little work experience other than fast food? I’m not denigrating his job – he’s working, and god knows those types of jobs are thankless. But they aren’t the kind of work history that gets someone hired.
Pursuing is a trade is probably his surest best to gain employment at the end.
Otherwise, has he thought about going out west for work? You’d have to move home in order to cut your personal costs, but he’d make good money, even without experience. Almost everyone I grew up with is out in Alberta now due to the lack of employment at home.
Post # 6
Not to be a debbie downer, but most business-type jobs will want three or four-year degrees…
Post # 7
@Aquaria: He isn’t unemployed, he is working part time and making about 50% of what he needs to. The problem is that he has no licence and no ability to get one as we don’t have the resources. The reason he is going back to school is so that he can hopefully get some education to find a job and the loans can at least help.
I’ve looked into the trades and we don’t think he can handle the coursework (I’ve spoken to current students about the workloads and course content) as FI struggled in high school. I was hoping that with any business education that employers would maybe take him more seriously.
@JessicaJupiter: We’re still trying to figure out how we’re going to make it until he can start or after I graduate. I currently am waiting to hear back about an emergency student loan due to our situation and as I only have a very low amount of student loans I don’t think it’ll be an issue.
@kittyface: That is something we’ve discussed and are looking at as a last option… but he is very adamant that he doesn’t want to go out west to work unless I can go with him.
@sara_tiara: He’s not really looking for a business oriented job but more to just get hired because he has some form of education. I know that some fast food places keep on looking for managers/supervisors but he doesn’t have the work experience – we were thinking if he at least had the management certificate he’d be considered.
Post # 8
@WeddingBells2014: I mean this as nicely as possible, but I think y’all are at your last option now.
Post # 9
Trades are a great and hugly needed area if he decides he wants to do it. Auto, disel, AC/heat, welding/pipe fitting, all are things he can get a one year certifcate in at any community college or tech school and many of them include internships that lead to gainful employment. And many of them are set up for training people who have little or no training before then. If he has any interest things in medicine like radiology techs, transcriptions, billing or aides are all short course work that arent very expensive (Dh is in an auto mechanic program and will be fully certified in a year to work at any major car dealer for less than $6000 with no aid) and are all jobs anywhere needs.
Eta: While DH is very smart, school isnt his forte and has had no issue with his auto tech course work. The instructor isnt someone with a lofty degree, but someone who has been in and knows the field extrmely well. The class is mostly hands on, while there is reading and tests, there is much less than any business degree or dipoma would have.
Post # 10
Honestly, people have trouble getting hired with a 4 year degree now adays, I don’t think a one year certificate will do ANYTHING to help your situation.
If he really can’t get a job where you both live, then he needs to move.
Also, trade school is drastically different than high school. It is more hands on and probably a much better match for him than college or a certificate program…
Post # 11
@chasesgirl: I would like to thank you – for some reason we never went over auto mechanic in the book and I am pretty sure it is in there! That is something I can really see him doing… tomorrow I’ll see if he can get a hold of the coordinators to discuss internships instead of just coursework. I’m going to take a closer look at that section to make sure he hadn’t accidentally skipped over other 1 years like that!
I would just like to add that moving is a very unrealistic option. It’ll cost a decent bit of money to get him somewhere else to work and then he is stuck on his own trying to pay for a place to live while finding work that could easily result in the same thing.
Post # 12
@WeddingBells2014: I am in the US, so it may be different in Canada, but here I don’t think a 1 year general business certificate would be terribly helpful in finding a job. If you were going to study business here you would need a Bachelors to advance your job prospects. Even an associates (2 year program) in business would probably only be marginally helpful in finding a better job.
I’m going to agree with @Aquaria: and say that some sort of trade program might be a better option. I’m sure he can find a trade that would be suitable, as long as he has a good work ethic and a willingness to learn. I don’t think it matters that he lacks the skills or knowledge going in, since the whole point of the program is to learn.
Post # 13
UPDATE: Just to avoid repeated posts about how bad of an idea it is to send him into business I’ll add that after a brief talk he’s going to look into more options for the trades that we didn’t initially see.
I’ve been doing some more quick research of my own and certain things that I was looking at are a little more complex than many of the options available.
If anyone has specific ideas of what trades are the best for employment I would be glad to hear them.
Post # 14
I’m going to be graduating with my 4 yr business degree and I can promise you, General management doesn’t mean anything. It seems to be the route chosen by those of us who don’t know what they want to be/do.
I agree with a trade.
Post # 15
@WeddingBells2014: I know if it is anything like mmy husband’s school, there are auto, diesel(big rig/bus etc) ac and cooling systems, electrican, plumber welding and maybe a few others. Most of them are a year of course work and hands on training, then an unpaid internship but DH’s instructor said if you are good, many of the job sites hire the interns halfway through and they finish the internship paid, sit for whatever offical licence/certification their trade has and then be full time employed. My uncle is a master welder/pipe fitter and instructor and they do apprentiships as well as courses and while it isnt much more than minimum wage to begin with as a brand new guy, they make serious money once they learn what they are doing.
Post # 16
not trying to be a Debbie downer, but I don’t think that 1 year certificate will be worth the cost of if unfortunately. Does he have any interest in construction, electrician, engineering type trades? these tend to pay pretty well from what I know, but of course make sure there are actually jobs in the area you live and also study salaries before making a decision.