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You know, you see these posts, you gasp and cover your mouth accordingly, mutter to yourself about how you can't believe that happened, and who could have seen it coming? But rarely, if ever, do you picture your (YOUR) Fiancee doing this. Not your man. Never. He may pull some shit that you don't approve of, or that might land him on the couch for a few days, but he'd never go...there.
Well, mine did.
And I was one of those ladies. I knew he had downfalls that we'd struggle with, but I always thought I knew in my heart he wasn't the type to go and do THAT. Well, ladies, listen up good 'cuz I don't say this much: I was WRONG. Oh boy, was I wrong.
Our wedding invitations arrived on Monday. I texted him Monday afternoon to let him know, and didn't hear from him. By 6pm, I called to see what he wanted for dinner. By 8pm, I'm down at his shop making sure he's not pinned underneath some giant piece of machinery. He's not - the door is locked, and I can't hear his phone ringing inside. Hm, I must have passed him on the road on his way home...go back to the house to play on the computer, and realize his Myspace page is open (he get on maybe once every 3 months) to an ex girlfriends page from like 10 years ago.
11pm - My mom has come over to help me call all the hospitals and jails in the two counties we live in/by. By 1am, we've come to the conclusion that he's not locked up or dying in a ER somewhere, so I take my panicking heart and go lay down in bed.
4am: My phone rings. "hey, I'm alive...but we need to talk." Yeah thanks, no shit buddy.
4:20am - he walks in and goes right for the shower (red flag number 2) instead of coming into the bedroom to talk to me. I lose it, go flying into the bathroom to demand an explanation, to which I get, "I freaked out. About the wedding. I was at an old friends house." "What old friend??!" "It doesn't matter." I ask him if he was at the old ex's place whose Myspace page I saw open, and GUILT spreads across his forehead as fast as the words 'no' came out of his mouth. I tell him the wedding is off, and to get out. He claims he didn't sleep with her, that they only cuddled. He leaves after his shower without another word.
Today I opened up our bank statement, and what do I see? a $13.99 charge for a Wallgreens downtown - we don't live downtown, and he hates Wallgreens. A quick jump to their website, and AHA! Trojans at Walgreens are $13.99!!
Un-fucking-believable. I've been at a complete loss for the last two days, but now I think I finally reached some level of angry, which helps. We own a house and a dog together though, so I'm dreading more than anything about how we're going to split those up.
I could really use some sage advice from some bee's in here that might have gone through the same thing.
Thanks, Ladies.
I am SO sorry. I don't have much advice except to keep your head up. You are going to get through this!
Oh no. I am so so sorry to hear this, and am so glad that you've been strong thus far :( There is no excuse for cheating --- none.
I am SO SO sorry! I don't have any advice, but I too am glad you've been strong thus far :(
I am so sorry and I am glad that you had a place like here to come and vent and for all us of to give you hugs! I suggest taking a couple of days to cool off, there will always be anger for sure but let the initial anger simmer down and then talk with eachother in a public place I think, or if you think it will be ok sit down and sort things out but make sure you get the DOG, he/she will provide you comfort and unconditional love! Sorry!
I am so sorry. Please stay strong. I just know you'll look back and be stronger.
God Bless.
WOW. That is incredibly horrible. I do not have much advise either, but I would be thankful that at least you found this out now rather than after saying your "I Do's"!
That's horrible, stay strong and good luck! I hope he at least admits to it and apologizes...it's really the least he could do, literally!
i applaud the fact you are not putting up with his crap and leaving him because thats what he deserves. you are a strong and smart girl.
Oh no! hugs! Stay strong -- you're definitely much more than he deserves!!
Freaked out about the wedding... What excuse ever justifies cheating? I have always found that particular one especially lame.
You are strong and I feel soo badly for you, but I admire you too because I hope that if that ever happened to me I would be strong like you and leave him, too! I'm thinking about you and hope you have loved ones, like your mom, close to you to help you get through this! Hang in there, hug your doggy for me.
I have no good personal advice. Someone in a similar situation, I think it may have been a bee, that called off the wedding said they dodged the biggest bullet of their life. When the clouds clear, I think that is an excellent perspective to take.
I wish you well and I'm sorry you are going through this.
*Sigh* I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I just want to add a different opinion to the mix.
First, I am so so so sorry for what you're going through. I know firsthand the pain that cheating can cause.
HOWEVER. My MOH was in a very long term relationship all through high school and college. They were, according to themselves and everyone around them, just made for each other. They were a great couple. And her bf got drunk one night, and cheated. And he confessed that same night, and was just overcome with guilt. My MOH wasn't able to forgive him, for a lot of reasons.
Cut to today. She is in a relationship with a guy who professed his intentions to marry her numerous times during our wedding weekend. He is engaged to another girl. And both of them harbor intense regrets about never having tried to work things out.
I'm a big believer in forgiveness. Yes, cheating is horrible. Yes, he has destroyed your ability to trust him. But you own a home, and have a dog, and you have years of history. Can one (horrible, cruel) mistake destroy all of that? I would hope you would be willing to at least try to figure out what caused him to cheat, and if you would ever be able to rebuild your lost trust. I would feel differently if he was a serial cheater, but this could have been a one-time incident. I'm not trying to justify his behavior, but I do think you might at least consider forgiving him (after a lot of counseling).
I'm really sorry Vintage Divine. Obviously he doesn't deserve you. You will pull through this and you'll be wiser for having gone through it. He will definitely regret what he did to you and the fact that he lost out on what could have been. Try to take it one day at a time and stay busy--work out, catch up with old friends, spend time with your fam, play with your dog. I hope things get better for you!
I don't have any great advice either, but can you consult an attorney with regards to what to do about your house?
Definitely take a few days to yourself, swear, punch a pillow, whatever you need to do to vent. Call up a close friend to come over and vent with (really helped me when I went through that with my ex-FI). WORK-OUT!!! Even if it's just taking long walks with your darling doggie. (((((Big hugs)))))
No one should ever have to got through this- huge hug. At least it's now- before the wedding??? We're here if you need anything!!!
Thank you so much for the support ladies, I appreciate it.
@amandopolis: I have to be honest and explain that it's not in my nature to forgive and forget. Once I am wronged, I'll remember it until the day I die. I still resent my mother for always taking bites of my sandwiches before giving them to me after she made my lunches. I never got first bite. Anyway.
I'd be much more willing to work on this, if it wasn't his second offense. He did this two years ago with another ex-girlfriend (who was engaged at the time) - I caught her dropping him off at his shop at 11pm on a Tuesday night when he was usually home with me by 5:30. Again, he never answered his phone the whole time in between. He'd claimed then that they'd just been talking and drinking beer, and I believed him because I thought they'd both have some integrity considering they were both in relationships. Looking back, I'm not so sure he didn't cheat on me then either.
I feel like I can't trust myself to judge men anymore. If you'd bet me some serious money that he would cheat, I would have taken you on grinning like a fool.
*Sigh*
@#$%^*.....
amandopolis: While I don't think that cheating always has to mean the end of a relationship, I think the context here -- the timing, his reluctance to come clean and fudging of the truth, etc. -- leads me, at least, to think that the wedding needs to be called off. This is a different scenario from the one involving your friend, I think. This is a Mark Sanford-style torpedoing of one's life; when people are inclined to do that, I think everyone else needs to get out of the way at all possible.
VintageDivine, I'm so sorry. I wish I had some good advice to give.
ETA: Yow. Yeah, sounds as though this one's unsalvageable. VintageDivine, it's REALLY hard to know these things in advance most of the time. You didn't do anything wrong, aside from give the guy you love(d) the benefit of the doubt.
Vintage Divine, a second offense changes everything. I totally understand where you're coming from, and you already gave him the second chance I said he deserved.
Amandopolis...are you kidding me? Really? With all due respect, I just threw up a little in my mouth.
Vintage Divine. Run away as fast as you can from this guy. I don't know you but I DO know that you deserve better than this.
I've been in a VERY similar situation and I can tell you that if you forgive, he will do it again. Next time though, maybe you'll have been married for two years, maybe you'll be pregnant with your first child.
Why do guys think that marriage is only scary to them? What in the hell? I mean, the thought of having sex with only one person for the rest of your life is terrifying to...well...anyone! The "I was scared" excuse is such BS. It's asinine. It's a total, disgusting cop out.
He wasn't drunk, it wasn't a mistake. He had plenty of time to think about what he was doing while he was ignoring your damned calls and text messaging some hooker of an ex girlfriend (who clearly has no respect for herself). He wasn't thinking about you when he was spending 13 of your bucks on condoms to use with some other chick.
Seriously. Do not forgive this. He doesn't deserve you. He doesn't deserve any of it.
You need to have a girl empowerment weekend. Get your mom, your sister, your girlfriends, whatever...watch a movie, get margaritas...do something for you.
You can email me if you want to talk. I absolutely understand the pain that you're in right now. purpelcomet@hotmail.com
Miss SoontoBee, with all due respect, don't attack me for offering an alternative, pro-forgiveness opinion.
I am so incredibly sorry. My first reaction was anger on your behalf. How dare he!? What's wrong with men? Why even propose if he wasn't ready for marriage? Sheesh.
Since it is the second time you've caught him hanging around with exes in worrisome conditions, I'm tempted to tell you to slam the door in his face. But maybe you should let him explain (?). I don't know. ((HUGS))
First: ((Big Hugs)) and I am so sorry that you are going through this, again. Secondly: I would first deal with your finances (the sooner you get this part out of the way, the better). Figure out how to split up the house if it's under both of your names and your belongings. Get this part done and then you can look at the relationship, since it seems like it will take along time to repair the damage if you decide to work on things. I would also suggest counseling. You may want to check out Miss Snapdragon's post on her engagement that was called off to give you further insite into what you should do. Again, I am so sorry that you're going through this and I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
Thank you again, ladies. I did just get a call from him, and he explained that he did not buy condoms. He'd purchased something else for me (he has the receipt as proof), but then felt like a total jackass trying to give it to me the next day.
*sigh*
I guess I have to admit that thus far I haven't let him explain himself much. But I just feel like that's going to make this harder to break, to let go of - if I understand that he's standing on more validated ground. I almost feel like it's easier letting go with what information I do have, and trying to come to some closure from here.
That doesn't mean that I don't already feel like my chest has been ripped open from sternum to navel.
A smart person once said that behavior that happens once should be treated like it never happened and more than once like it always happened. is this a one time/cold feet thing? Or are there serious issues?
These are signs he may be unable to have a faithful relationship.
Fwiw, I am a survivor of this. I was married for quite a few years and we were both new parents, bought our dream home, moved to another state (where the home was) and he merged with a new company and we were trying for our next child when I found out my then H was unfaithful. We're talking on the level of the SC Governor unfaithful.
I left him after giving him 6 mos to make efforts to change and divorced him and never looked back. Cheating is a COWARDLY thing to do and it does not mean you didn't have a bad relationship either. We had a good marriage. He just felt he *DESERVED* everything and hero worship 24/7 and the excitement of the chase. That was it.
I have been a single mom now for 5 years and can say that you will find love again. I sure did~and it's so much better.
Even if he didn't SLEEP with her, he SNUGGLED in the same bed with her and obviously the "touching" incident happened. I personally would not believe him. This would be for me a deal breaker..especially if it's his second offense.
Hugs. Nothing but hugs.
I think there are serious issues...maybe not between the two of us per se, but he has demons that haunt his past, I think.
I'm an emotional person. I'm afraid I'm going to choose staying with him if his explanations are good enough, just because I'm so terrified of my life as I know it falling apart, and having to pick up the pieces and move on. And if I do that and succeed, I'll still always wonder if maybe we would have been happy together. Sometimes when you're in a relationship for a while, you wonder if you could have found someone better - but then when you've lost the one you're with, you wonder if you'll ever find anyone at all.
I'm so sorry to hear about what happened. :-( It's awful you have to go through this.
I want to believe your FI! I hope he has a good explanation for the drug store and the shower...
Wow....you are getting some great support and love here. I am in the group that is thinking DIRTBAG/cut him loose. The fact that your wedding invites just went out and it's before your wedding and he "freaked out" - complete BS. Have your freak out before you get engaged. I agree with most that there is little or no good excuse for cheating, and though I love my FI to death, I don't think I could ever forgive him.
And PS if you have a nagging feeling in the pit of your stomach that he is lying out both sides of his mouth...he probably is.
"I'm an emotional person. I'm afraid I'm going to choose staying with him if his explanations are good enough, just because I'm so terrified of my life as I know it falling apart, and having to pick up the pieces and move on."
VintageDivine, I am the same way and I let fear keep me in the wrong relationship for far too long. There's a saying that goes "it's only after you've lost everything that you are free to do anything". If what appears is true is in fact true (that he is not capable of being faithful to you) then losing him is necessary to find the love and fidelity you deserve.
I know it's small comfort but it IS better that you found out now before you both had built a much bigger life together, with children, etc.
Sending you hugs.
I would really like to believe him too, and am in same feeling/thought pattern as Mr. Bee, however the guy did this before.
If it were the first time and not something he did in his past (to another gf) and also to you, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
Since it's NOT the first time, no mulligans would be given from me. Just the direction towards the door.
One thing I would like to point out, a different view does not imply a lack of support. I'm sure there are MANY couples who stay together and are happy after infidelity. DivineVintage has to decide for herself if she can trust him again. But on paper this does not look good for him, particularly since there was a previous incident.
In regards to your poll, I do believe emotional cheating (convos and cuddling) constitutes as cheating. I can't say I wouldn't be devastated if my husband did this. If it was between "I got so drunk one night I barely had any idea what I was doing and I slept with this woman" and "I've been having intimate email convos with a woman for a month" I'd honestly forgive the drunk cheating faster than the intimate emails.
I think I need to print this whole thing out and take it to bed to read with me.
Thank you, everyone, you have no idea how much of a relief it is to have so many insightful opinions on this. I know you don't have his story or our background so it's not entirely fair to him (since I really haven't let him explain EVERYTHING) but...*sigh* our engagment hasn't exactly been the happy & blissful one I always imagined, either.
I have so very much to think about.
I am another one who says fear kept me in a wrong relationhip (more than one) because I was afraid & just didn't know what else to do. In many cases, the fear itself is actually the worst part. Just something to consider. As far as whether or not to take him back, I imagine you'll go back & forth on that many times in the next few days/weeks; it seems like a normal reaction to this type of news.
I'm so sorry this happened!
I'm so sorry :( It's just a nightmare come true I would imagine. I realyl don't know how I would cope if I were in your position, I honestly wouldn't. You know the two of you better than we do. But, I will say, if he did this before with an engaged woman, it leads me to believe that he doesn't really value what a commitment is. Definitely at least put the wedding on hiatus. It doesn't matter what his excuses are dammit. There is NO really good reason for even cuddling with another woman unless it's his mother and her dog just died or something! It's just off limits and anyone should know that. If he's having second thoughts or is nervous about the wedding, there are sooooo many other people he could have talked to besides an ex! Siblings, parents, friends, people on internet message boards... or, here's an idea, YOU! I do believe in forgiving people, but he would definitely have to earn it back. No handing it to him on a silver platter. Would he have ever let you go cuddling with a guy? Especially an ex of all people? Seriously. What's an old ex going to be able to do to reassure him anyway? AGH!
She's apparently a bitter, recently divorced lady, so I'm sure she spent quite a few hours doleing out her own pieces of sage advice before snaking her fingers with his and kissing him. I keep having this delicious image in my head of my left hook hitting her thick jaw...
that's really lame. i'm sure she just had STELLAR advice to give him... could have started with "if you want your FI to love you, try NOT CHEATING ON HER"
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