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    Brielle    May 22, 2009  

    Calling all etiquette Bees ...

    I just had an argument this morning with DH over an etiquette issue.  Adhering to proper etiquette has long been extrememly important to me.  However, it is not very important to him. He bristles at having to do what some mysterious "THEY" say we have to do, and I often find myself having to defend why things need to be done in a certain manner, or, in this case, why they should not be done at all.

    My stepchildren usually receive some type of Christmas gift from my parents, one of my aunts, and my brother and his wife.  DH, knowing that his son would like to replace an expensive electronic device that he received for Christmas last year and ended up breaking within a few weeks, would like me to contact these members of my family "to give them an opportunity to contribute toward" this gift for my stepson.

    I am not at all comfortable with this.  DH, however, thinks I am being absolutely ridiculous to say that I do not want to do this, since my sister-in-law has asked what type of gift card we would like for the kids this year, and my parents and aunt have always given cash gifts.  To me, one should NEVER presume that a gift is going to be given (even if a gift has been forthcoming every Christmas since DH and I were married two-and-a-half years ago), and one certainly should not contact prospective gift-givers in advance to "give them an opportunity to go in on a group gift" for one's immediate family member (or anyone else, for that matter.) DH thinks that I am completely wrong about this, and he is very frustrated with me.  He said it is not as if he is suggesting that we contact people outside of the family. He thinks that, because these are family members who have always given my stepson a gift, that we would simply be offering them an opportunity and that they are free to decline.  I say that if we ask them, they will not feel as if they have a choice.

    I told DH that we should simply wait until AFTER Christmas, while we are visiting said family in another city, and that, after any additional Christmas money is received, he then can take my stepson shopping for the gift.  However, DH does not like this idea, as that then means that my stepson will not have his big gift to open on Christmas day. (He's a young teenager, not a little child.) I also suggested that we could put the gift on our credit card and simply tell my stepson that any of the Christmas money he receives from family while we are in said city will go toward the gift that he just opened. DH apparently did not like this suggestion either.

    P.S. If anyone is wondering how we afforded to purchase the original, now broken, gift last Christmas, we were able to do so, because DH had been holding onto the money my stepson received for the prior year's Christmas as well as his birthday last year, for safekeeping. Those funds, along with what we contributed, enabled us to purchase the big-ticket piece of electronics last Christmas. That, apparently, is not an option this year, as, apparently, my stepson has already purchased things with his 2010 Christmas money and 2011 birthday money.

    Do you agree with the position I am taking, or do you agree with my DH?

     
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    Bostongrl25    December 2017  

    I agree with you. I cant imagine calling people, even family, and asking if they want to contribute towards a gift. That is just...weird.

    It's also a great opportunity to teach your son to respect his belongings. Breaking an expensive gift within weeks is not ok.

     
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    rachiecakes    January 23, 2011   Boston

    Totally agree with you! You cannot presume that someone is going to get you a gift. I even have a hard time when someone asks what I want for Christmas. 

     
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    simplifiedbride    June 2011   California

    I don't think you can tell people what to give, unless actually asked.  Because your SIL asked what gift card to get, it's perfectly appropriate to say, oh he's planning on getting the new Ipod with his xmas money, so he'd really appreciate an apple gift card.  It's not okay to call up relatives and tell them they all need to go in and purchase this big gift for your stepson.  It just wouldn't be right, it'd be presumptuous.  If your husband is worried about him not getting a "big gift" to open at xmas, that's your husbands problem.  If he wants him to have a big gift so badly, then he should be the one to purchase it, not pass it off on other family members.  If anyone asks, let them know he's saving for an Ipad or whatever, and hopefully they get the hint to give him cash or a gift card to the store he'd purchase it at.  It really won't be a big deal to go out and get it in the days after the holidays.

     
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    LoveMySailor1018    March 17, 2012   Hampton, VA

    I agree with you. I think it would be very tacky to call your family members and "give them the opportunity" to contribute. If I got that sort of call I would be like umm, okay? Now on the other hand, if someone happens to ask "Hey, what yould XXX like for Christmas this year, does he have anything on his list?" then you could mention it and it wouldn't be awkward.

    ETA: I agree with Bostongrl25 that it could be a lesson on respecting his belongings. If he wanted a new expensive ticket item he should have pooled his Christmas/ bday money to purchase or help purchase a new one.

     
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    Ryansgirl    October 22, 2011   Canada

    I agree that you can't call them up and tell them what to get.  If they ask, that's the best time to say "Stepson just broke his favourite toy, and we would love to be able to replace it for him, so a gift card towards that would be awesome" or something like that.  Otherwise, there's nothing you can do.

     
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    oracle    October 23, 2010   Los Angeles

    As an aunt of 6, I'm usually the one hounding down wish lists.

    I wouldn't be offended if I was told:  Hey, I don't know if you have plans to get 'x' a gift this year, but if you are, he really wants 'x'.

    But, I very much understand where you are coming from.  It would be much more acceptable if they asked you what 'x' wanted.

    That said - don't EXPECT them to do that.  The gifter always has the choice to give whatever they wish (regardless of what's on that wish list).

     
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    Mrs.ChubbyBunny    October 1, 2011   Texas

    You are totally in the right here. People should not be asked for gifts or pressured to give gifts!

     
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    kay01    May 27, 2012   NH/VT

    If they ask, I see no problem with answering, but I wouldn't contact any of them to suggest it.  I also think waiting would teach your stepson to be more careful with possessions (particularly that if you break something, you may not get it replaced).

     
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    relaxedabout it    January 1, 2013  

    i'm a big believer in giving people what they want. i'm surprised no one asks what he would want? i'm always asking to make sure i get things that the receiver is interested in.

    i'd say if they ask, go right ahead. but don't just call them up and say here's jimmy's xmas list!

     
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    Brielle    May 22, 2009  

    Thank you so much for taking time to respond, bees! I definitely appreciate the validation of my thoughts regarding this.

    @Bostongrl25:  We're not certain exactly how the gift was broken, but my stepson alleges that the breakage must have occurred as the item was being transported between his two homes, since he lives with us half of the time and with his mom half of the time.  After that incident, we are no longer permitting the item, which still technically works but has cracks all over the screen, to be taken back and forth.    

     
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    moderndaisy    June 2010  

    I agree that it is in poor taste to do this for your own child (or step child). It's rude and gift-grabby in nature, basically announcing to every potential gift giver that #1 They have to give a gift and #2 it won't be appreciated unless it's what you pre specified.

    Once they ask though, that's another story. I would be totally fine with being honest about what you are planning and giving them the opportunity to contribute. As long as you mention some other options so that it doesn't seem like you're dictating the gift.

    That said, every year someone in my family 'organizes' a present for my Gmom and this year it was an Ipad2. A group email goes out and asks who wants to contribute and how much. I didn't participate last year because i had already bought her a gift when the email went out, but this year I did. No one gave me a hard time about it and I didn't feel bad opting out. It's actually very helpful for us because everyone gets her a gift for Christmas every year, and this takes all the work out of it.

     
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    AlmostMrsDoc    June 8, 2012   Toronto, Ontario

    I can see both sides here. If I were in your shoes, I would wait for your family to ask what your stepson wants for Christmas, and then suggest a gift card to the store where you would buy the device. You can then let him collect the gift cards and get the device himself. There are several benefits to this:

    - boxing day prices!!!
    - it gives him the thrill of opening several presents (ie getting several gift cards) rather than one single gift
    - it will ensure that every contributing member get properly thanked. If they all go in together, someone may get overlooked in the thank-yous because a young boy may not grasp that its from 'everyone'; putting several gifts together into one will help him realize the value of the electronic device
    - it gives your family the option of personalizing the gift they give, packing it the way they want to, and they can also pick the amount they feel comfortable giving (rather than 'one fifth the total price' for example)
    - depending on what the item is, it may give your stepson the ability to choose the precise model he wants (color, specs, etc.) because he'll be the one to pick it out

    If he doesn't believe in Santa anymore, I'd say individual gift cards (to the same store!!) is best way to go. you're not assuming anyone will get him anything, but you're giving them the opportunity to meaningfully contribute to someone you presume he wants.

     
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    simplifiedbride    June 2011   California

    @Brielle: if his damaged item is an ipod/iphone/ipad they can often times be repaired.  also, if you take it in to the apple store, they will work with you to get a refurbished one, which is much much cheaper than getting a brand new one.  Just FYI, in case that was the issue.  :)

     
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    Wonderwoman217       Augusta, Georgia

    I agree with PPs. Telling someone what to get as gifts, unsolicited, is in poor taste, family or not. But, if they ask, then it's completely acceptable to suggest ideas.

     
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    mittens111211    November 2011   Portland, Oregon

    @oracle: I agree with this, as our family usually exchanges lists or we talk about what each other would like.

     
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    mwitter80    December 11, 2010   Connecticut

    I think it depends on the relationship. My bonus son is treated as their grandson. My parents ask what he wants and if I told them about contributing to something so he could have what he wanted they would jump on it. 

     
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    auggiefrog    August 25, 2012   Wauwatosa, WI

    I agree...  It is poor taste to assume you are getting a gift...  I do like the credit card idea.  

     
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    Natalieh86    May 26, 2012   Louisville, KY

    I think it's an issue here because it's your son.  I would call my sister to see if she wants to go in on a gift for our Mom, and have don't think that's an etiquette violation. 

     
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    CMSnails    January 14, 2012  

    I'm so sorry that this has become an issue for you. Is there someone that can mediate the disagreement for you? Even though I think most people will agree that your position is correct that isn't going to matter if your DH still refuses to go along with it or compromise on his position.

    Would he be receptive to either having a third party settle the matter or going with what the Bees are saying on this board? Has he stated why he is so bothered by your not asking family members to contribute? Would it be such a terrible thing to wait until next year for this electronic device? Surely, there must be something more your son wants.

     
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    roxy821    August 21, 2010  

    I agree with the PP's who said if you family asked it is 100% okay to mention that your step son would like a gift certificate to x in order to replace the item he received last year.

    In reading you post however I got a little confused. Your husband is worried because his son won't have a big Christmas item to open this year. So he is asking the family to contribute towards a gift that you and your husband are going to get him? If you can't afford the gift I wouldn't feel comfortable asking my family to give me money so I could buy my child a gift. Instead I would giving your step son a gift card for 1/2 the amount of the item to whichever store it can be purchased at and then it he gets additional gift cards from family he would be able to replace his electronic item. And if he falls a little short you could always teach him about savings and give him chores to earn money to get that big ticket item.

    Are you close with your mother and sister in law? You might be able to just mention it to them and how much he really wants to replace that item.  I don't think I would bring up the topic to extended family members but I could certainly say something to my mother and brother/ sil.

     

     
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    tksjewelry    June 25, 2011   Omaha

    I am in a similar living situation as yourself.  I have a young teenage stepson that my family buys for.  Yes, it is rude to ask for particular gifts no matter what.  On the other hand, people like my mom, alway want easy and what the kid wants.  If my stepson wanted something particular, I would have no issues telling my mom and dad, but I would never tell my brother and his wife.  I also know that my mom would pass the word.  Most people don't like buying for young teens - they are hard to buy for.  I also agree with you that he could go get it after christmas with gift cards that he receives or cash.  Kids just want something to open, and for young teens, gift cards they can spend and pick out something themselves is like the holy grail. 

     
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    photogestelle    February 18, 2012  

    I'm going to side with your DH here. Woudln't it be better to get your stepson something he actually wants? You KNOW they're going to get him something/contribute. You don't call them up and say "get X this and this for Christmas", I'd bring it up casually like "how are you going with Christmas shopping? We're doing XYZ, thinking about getting *stepson* a *toy*, would you like it to be from you too?".

     

    I see nothing at all wrong with that.

     
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    alena20    August 8, 2012   Lehi Utah

    I totally agree with your post.

     
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    I agree with you. If they ask, maybe you could say that he needs this item replaced, and suggest it then if anything. As a teenager, he has to get used to not getting gifts as much anymore, hopefully he won't be dissapointed by not opening it on christmas. And when I was that age, getting a cash gift and being able to pick out my own thing would have been more enjoyable.

     
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    andielovesj    August 13, 2011  

    I completely agree with the rest you can tell people who ask but it is rude to give gift information unsolicited. You should not assume that anyone is giving SS a gift (even though it is likely they will).

    It is also not anyone other then you and you husbands 'job' to provide your SS with a big gift. If this gift is out of you and DHs financial grasp then perhaps that is a lesson to SS about the value of money and care for expensive electronics. I would personally be hesitant to replace an item that he had been careless with to the point he doesn't even know how the original got broken. He also doesn't seem too keen to replace it or he would be actively saving his money for a replacement.

    It is also rude to your SS to garnish his gifts to reimburse yourselves for his gift.

    Give him the gift you can afford or talk with him before Christmas about if he really wants this replacement. Perhaps you can offer him a matching scheme. For every 1 dollar he saves you will contribute 1 dollar or something similar.

     
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    Brielle    May 22, 2009  

    Thank you all so much, bees! I appreciate all of you having taken time to respond to my post.  It was very affirming to have so many bees underscore what I believe to be the proper course of action in this situation.  However, I also would like to thank those of you who expressed understanding for DH's thoughts on this matter. Even when I strongly believe I am right about something (as I do in this case), I have learned that it is often helpful to try to understand the opposing view better -- especially when the person holding the opposing view is my husband! lol.

    To those who have made a point of noting that my stepson needs to take better care of his belongings, I absolutely do agree with this. However, as I noted in an above comment, he may not have been directly involved in the breakage of this item, as certain items belonging to him and his sister are transported back and forth between their two homes twice each week, and neither of the kids is usually present for this process. (They leave from one home to go to school, and then they arrive home at the other house on the custody-exchange days. The parents transport the items separately.  It's possible that one of the heavy items could have fallen on the delicate item during transport, or someone or a pet in one of the houses could have stepped on or accidentally kicked the bag in which the item was placed, etc.) So, in this particular instance, I would feel bad about holding him solely accountable for the damage. Because of this situation, DH no longer permits my stepson to have this item included among the transported items.

    @simplifiedbride: Thanks so much for this suggestion.  Something such as that may be a potential solution.  I will have to discuss this with DH, as we do not live anywhere near a store of the original equipment manufacturer (DH purchased the item from a nearby big box retailer last year).  However, we may be near a store by the OEM when we travel for the holidays.

    @tksjewelry: Thanks.  It's always good to hear from others who have similar living situations! I always enjoy reading your comments on the boards! :)

    @CMSnails: Thank you for your questions about how DH and I ultimately will plan to resolve this. I would not expect him to be influenced by anything anyone has written here, as most of those who have posted upheld my position of wanting to follow proper etiquette. However, he may be happy to see that @photogestelle and a couple of others do understand his thinking. :)

    I do not plan to contact my family about this, but DH is free to do so himself, if he so chooses.  However, because I oppose this, I do not anticipate that he will ask them. 

     

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