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Im in that age bracket and they were never "winning" with me and my peers anyway.
@Aubergold: Well, ten years ago they were winning with people who were in that age bracket at the time. Fortunately, as people who were children then become young adults, and older people die, the trend is in our favor.
It always brings joy to my heart to see Focus on the Family losing.
Regarding gay marriage: I don't think there is any way for them to turn back the clock on this. It's so obviously a matter of fairness, justice, and equality. It still outrages me that my friends have to wait for their marriages to be lawful in the eyes of the federal gov't (if not the state gov't - woot woot Massachusetts!), but at least we're moving in the right direction.
@2dBride: Gracias; I didn't know this. I've grown up in and lived in really large, progressive cities so sometimes this stuff really baffles my mind. I cna't imagine what it's like to be in like Alabama or Mississippi or something.
I think it's being seen less as a religious issue and more as a political issue. It's the societal issue front that is still being fought. Most people who are against it probably couldn't care less if you have a piece of paper in your filing cabinet that says you're married. It's when they confront it in day to day life that it burns them. And it's true that it's very difficult to do things like explain to your children why the things you teach them are so drastically different from what they encounter in society.
@MrsSl82be: I hope so too but older people need to die off to get that majority. Hopefully I don't sound mean.
They've been fighting a losing battle for a while now.
Can I also just say how pissed I am at the Minnesota legislature:
This girl = Pissed
We had better not pass this nonsense next year.
They may consider it "losing" but I'll put down this news as winning in my book!
It's good stuff! The last few national polls show a majority of Americans are supportive of gay marriage.
HOWEVER, it would be really nice if we could just stop putting minority rights up for a vote, knowwhatimsayin?
Wow! I wasnt expecting this thread to go this way when I opened. All I can say is there are alot more people against gay marriage than what is evidenced by this thread. But I understand not wanting to speak up after the resounding support of the OP. This is not an equality issue. It is a right or wrong issue. It is a religious issue and yes, it is now a political issue as well. My vote goes to whomever is pro-life, for marriage between a man and woman and who supports Israel. Yes, I am obviously Christian. No I do not claim to be perfect, I am far from it but I do know what the Word of God says and I try to uphold it every day, it's just some days I do better than others. God Bless you all!
@lmwolfe015: umm...this was posted on the LGBTQ board...I'm not really sure what other way you could have expected it to go.
To respond to you OP, this makes me really happy. As a family member, it is really hard to think that my close relative won't be able to celebrate their love with another person the way that I am able to. I can't imagine that and I really admire those who have the patience and persistence to fight for their rights. I really don't think that anyone should have to fight for it unfortunately.
@lmwolfe015: God loves us all gay, straight, black, white, christian, jewish, ect. He doesn't discriminate. Period.
I think you may have to dig a little deeper than that to respond on this issue. Why is marriage a religious issue? I am very curious to know.
To the OP: About damn time they admitted the reality.
@plantains: Honestly, I won't even bother with this girl. It will just end up making you mad.
@plantains: My Christian family says:
"Because the Bible "says" so." Well my response is what if you don't believe in religion or the Bible? Why should someone's beliefs dictate someone else's happiness who doesn't even have the same beliefs? Why should I let a book that I, and many others, don't believe in dictate my happiness? That response normally gets blank stares and a simple "well you should believe in it because it is right". My blood boils and I walk away. But yeah, I agree with
@tranquility: don't bother starting a debate. There are a few people on these threads that you will never win with and just end up staring at your computer in disbelief and frustration. I like a healthy debate but it is never a debate.
@lmwolfe015: You understand that not everyone is a christian, right? And that not all Christians interpret scripture the way that you do, anyway? Why should I be legally FORCED to uphold christian beliefs when I do not subscribe to that religion? No one is trying to take away your right to believe what you want and participate in your own religion, so why would you want to take away other people's rights to believe in what they want and participate in the religions, or lack of religion, that they want?
I'm a gay woman and I want to be married to my female partner so that we can protect our future children, so that we can visit each other in hospitals and make decisions for each other in case of an accident, so that our property can be shared, so that I can add my partner to my health insurance.
Why do you want to take that away from us? Your beliefs are one thing and I will respect your right to hold them although I do not agree. But why would you want to be a person who actively campaigns to make other people's lives worse? Our relationship does not affect you. You don't even know us. And yet you want there to be laws so that we can not protect our family and our property. Why?
@tranquility I was thinking the same thing
Gay marriage isn't about religion at all IMO, it's about legality. It's not like churches would ever be forced to marry a gay couple if it went against their beliefs.
I'm glad attitudes are changing, I hope this continues, and spreads around the world. Nobody should be able to legislate in favour of inequality, it's disgusting.
@lmwolfe015: The logic and intellect behind blind faith never ceases to amaze me. You just go ahead and keep voting for pro-life, anti-gay, pro-israeli candidates, you obviously have an incredibly firm grip on the issues currently crippling your nation. *gentle pat*
::rolls eyes::
To the OP, I live in an area where is it pretty split by about 20 miles. Where I live there are a lot of older traditional people who aren't in favor ( a lot of the younger people are though) but when you get towards the city it definitely changes to in favor of. It seems that bigger metropolitan areas are more progressive but smaller towns are still split. That seems to be pretty consistent with most issues though.
@MrsCarnival: I'm from Minnesota, too. Born and raised here, and very proud of our progressive political history. The conservatives take control of the legislature for the first time in 40 years and THIS is what they decide is their #1 priority? Restricting the constitutional rights of a minority? When you ran on a "jobs jobs jobs" platform? You got a fight on your hands.
And don't be so quick to to write off the oldsters on this issue, everyone. My parents are both approaching 90 and let me tell you, they vote in every single election and they WILL VOTE AGAINST this ridiculous anti-gay-marriage amendment. And let me just add that they are two of the finest, most sincere Christians I have ever met. I am very proud of them! :)
@moonadea: Reading your response brought tears to my eyes. The fact that this topic still has to be defended baffles me.
@moonadea: Yep. Separation of church and state is integral. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: if you don't like gay marriage don't have one. That's as far as anyone's say should go in condemning someone elses lifestyle - especially based on religious beliefs.
@moonadea: I agree with you completely and I admire your courage to fight. I am glad that my relative (just keeping it a generic relative for privacy sake) is growing up in a time where there is a forward shift towards legalizing it. In my opinion, I think that it is sad that it has to get to that.
@Miss Lilac: Amen to that! Whenever this debate comes up, I ask those who are against gay marriage "how will this impact negatively on YOUR marriage and/or family?" and I've never, ever been given an answer.
Also "Focus on the Family", such a misleading name...
@Lorenzo: That is awesome about your parents. I wish my area was like that. Some older people are but unfortunately there are A LOT of older people in western PA and most of them do not believe in gay marriage. There are some though, which I am thankful for.
It just makes me sad that people still think like that :( We all deserve to be happy!!
@photogestelle: I agree it is a misleading name. I think that is what so many of these people are fighting for! They just want to "Focus on their Families". The only answer that I have gotten of how it will affect them is with taxes and paper work....blank stare...ummm ok. That, poor poor if at all reason, is no reason to deny someone happiness.
This just makes me so sad and angry. I try to get through it by telling myself that in twenty years, my kids will have tons of friends who couldn't care less that their parents are two mamas, and lmwolfe015's kids will be embarrassed to bring friends home in case their mom says something bigoted. : /
I don't understand the issue with gay marriage. I mean, our government separates church and state.. the main arguments against gay marriage are religious texts stating marriage is between a man and a woman. I personally can't wait until marriage is for everyone. I feel like a hypocrite being married while my homosexual friends can not.
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