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i was guessing this one:
http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/did-anyone-not-use-a-pro-photographer-show-me-your-non-pro-pics
some people were saying she was being mean about the photos other bees posted and was not the intent of the thread
ETA: and i see now her comment was removed.
She's been having a difficult time being polite in a lot of her threads. The 'mightier than thou' attitude was getting a bit old imo.
Wow, she must have angered people in previous threads too, as I don't think that comment today was ban-worthy.
That's too bad - she helped me out quite a bit and I'm sure her advice has been helpful to other Bees as well. I'll definitely miss her on the photog board :( I might not always agree with her, but I do appreciate hearing a pro's opinion.
Sad.
@hisgoosiegirl: ya, i definitely think she upset other bees quite a bit int he past (as you can see by other comments on this thread). But i agree she really helped just as many.
she was one of the pro photographers that post on the site, so if you don't hang out on the photo boards much, you might not know her.
that seems harsh - I hope she got a warning first.
Girl knew what she was talking about, just maybe didn't phrase it in the nicest way - sometimes honesty hurts feelings... its hard when its regarding such a sensitive topic.
@mandypop: I am sure she had many warnings.
She clearly knows photography, but could be a little more tactful.
Our Commenting Policy clearly explains guidelines for vendors who wish to post to the Weddingbee boards.
For the sake of individual members' privacy, the moderation team doesn't discuss moderation of any specific member with other members.
So I am guessing that this is the reason why she was banned:
Post to the boards to promote their website or businesses (including using signature lines, watermarked photos, or posting links to their business or blog, including in the monthly Share Your Blogs thread) or industry (e.g. a planner posting about how hiring a wedding planner essential to the success of a wedding, or a DJ trash talking iPod receptions).
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Sounds a bit like a catch 22 to me, and by that same logic, LBphotography that has the sticky at the top of this forum should be banned too. So from now on all the pro's better promote the momtographers! or BAN! (that was a joke....or is it?). This all happened so quick, I am not sure there were any warnings, but this is speculation on my part.
I don't think BEEM was promoting her business in any way. I also thought the conversation in the thread in question was a healthy one, with varying opinions. We all don't have to agree.
I am not defending BEEM, just explaining things how I perceived them. Sometimes, I think people on these forums need a thicker skin, and to not take things so personal. I am on many forums, but I noted on the predominantly female ones (wedding forums) other posters tend to sugar coat things and walk around the topic at hand. BEEM was a straight shooter, she may of come across rude, but her posts were generally factual, not just based on her opinions. A select few people seemed to really dislike her, but I honestly don't think she was out to get anyone, but help educate people.
Although you may not agree or like the info she posted, it wasn't in anyway bad advice and definitely worth taking a step back and considering.
@USER876: hmmm, i looked at the policy and didn't catch that, so thanks for pointing it out. makes sense as to why she got banned. I just want to say i don't have anything personal against BeeM, i never interacted with her much from what i can remember. Though i guess in regards to the commenting policy you highlighted, i can see how it might have got her banned because it did seem that her advice was always to hire a pro, no matter what! (especially in today's thread). And I think its different from LB's sticky. The sticky is advice for people who already are planning to hire a pro, it is not trying to convince people to do so. But i agree that BeeM was likely not giving this advice for the sake of promoting her business.
@PurpleUnicorn: There were times, when there were no other option to the OP, BEEM gave advice on what to look for in a craigslist photographer. It think it comes down to bad luck and no knowing the rules.... (I didn't know this either).
Hmmm.., I saw what she posted and though it skirted the line, I've seen way way worse from regular posters. I mean, stuff that would make my nappy hair straight. I like the ladies of the photography boards. For those of us who are there a lot, I do see that they do give us a lot of help. Folks like User and Serabell and LBG and BeeM etc. Some of them are a bit harsh but I think it's because they have seen way way too many bees get ticked off when they get their photographs back. BeeM was very helpful. I remember her help to this bee on this thread. I thought it was nice of her. Also, I've pm'ed some of the photographers on the bee and they have been very helpful. I know that for some bees, especially brides, they can get sensitive about photographs and when making comments, some photographers come off as harsh. Anyhow, is this ban a 'forever ban' or can she come back after a while?
Bummer.
My fist encounter with BeeM was today and he/she rubbed me the wrong way.
@bRooklynRocks: aren't they all forever bans? I've never seen someone get to come back.
I've never really had many encounters with BeeM but her comment today was a little rude, I agreed with her but I could see how it could be taken pretty badly. On another note, I have seen WAY worse comments from particular members and it never seems like anything is done about it. Sometimes I feel like there are sensitive topics to certain people that will get someone banned in a hot second, and then there are other topics where bees make hurtful comments and it is overlooked cause its not as important to someone. I guess thats what happens though when your mods are only human lol. No matter how hard someone tries its nearly impossible to be unbiased. *not bashing on the mods, I think the mods do the best job they can!*
@USER876: i guess i shoud not use "always" on a site like this because i am sure i have missed stuff!
I'm a lurker on these boards, especially the photo board over the last few weeks as I am in the process of figuring out this part of the wedding planning. I had to join and chime in here to say this is pretty silly - I've seen Beem and other photogs giving very valuable advice (albeit not always what the OP wants to hear) but I thought that's what the boards are about?? I've seen way worse snarkiness (and snarkiness without purpose) on these boards and nothing happens. I think USER is right, how does any wedding professional give advice that isn't promoting the industry? That just seems dumb. You're just going to scare all the other professionals into censoring themselves and saying untrue things for fear of being banned and I don't think that helps anybody.
What I want to know is how there are photographers and vendors posting on here with their FULL business name as their username making posts and none of that ever gets flagged for self promoting and industry promoting. Yet beem, who never says anything about her own business or tries to use the board to get work gets banned for just being honest. Take a pill kids and stop getting offended by every little post you don't agree with.
@pinkelephantblues: I was honestly suprised that they allow vendors on here period (the knot does not). If they do, I am REALLY suprised they let you select your username to be your business name....but you can't post a link to your business? Hmmmmm.
Anyway, yes the more I re-read what BEEM posted and think about this, it's all pretty silly. My guess is someone got really offended and reported a ton of her posts to the point that the mods banned her. Who knows. I agree worse things have happened with no banning in the past. If anything, maybe a warning was in order if the mod's thought she was breaking the rules. I never saw that page on the rules until now.
@PurpleUnicorn: I am sure that was not the only instance that got her banned. Many of her posts were removed from..http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/my-photographer-is-really-starting-to-irk-me/page/3.. I got many PMs about BeeM after this post went crazy talking about her being rude to them as well.. she even took the drama of this post into a new post by another bee about photography. Apparently many people were flagging her because so many were removed and I didn't flag any.
I dunno, I like a little sass! But I have only seen her around a few times.
OK, so I was confused so looked it up:
A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an online community. In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks with or about himself or herself, pretending to be a different person.
creepy...
@MrsNeutrino: I remember that thread. I think sometimes people here (who are the usually the consumer) don't want to hear what the other side has to say. I am not saying she wasn't rude, I honestly didn't follow that post enough to feel one way or another.
@daydreamwanderer: Sockpuppeting? I had to look that one up for myself....lol.
"A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception. The term—a reference to the manipulation of a simple hand puppet made from a sock—originally referred to a false identity assumed by a member of an internet community who spoke to, or about, himself while pretending to be another person.[1] The term now includes other uses of misleading online identities, such as those created to praise, defend or support a third party or organization"----------------------------------------------------------
If this is the case, I think the banning of BeeM was ill warranted. BEEM did not create a profile and harp on a bandwagon. Look at the post count, look at the well thought out very length posts helping people or providing information when asked. There may of been a few posts that led one to believe this, but this certainly wasn't the posters intention or purpose of being here 99% of the other time.
Also, you hear other pro's on here with usernames of XYZPHOTOGRAPHY respond to posts and say "I am a professional photographer and in our business we would never do something like this, blah blah blah blah." Isn't this meeting the def of sockpuppeting by praising themself? Shouldn't they be banned for this? The rules need to be more black and white IMO
And for all the other's (including myself), why are you all assuming BeeM was a girl? :) Thoughts?
@USER876: It's not that we don't want to hear your professional opinions, we don't want your critiques unless they are specifically requested. The OP today asked for non-pro pics and explained her situation. She obviously had thought out the pros and cons of the situation and felt comfortable in her decision. She was looking for other's people experiences, not a negatively expressed professional critique of other bride's pictures (which they loved!).
As for why we all think you are a woman, it could be because this is a wedding planning site where the main participants are in fact women, and those who are not typically make it known through their name (ie Mr. Tattoo, Mr. Bee, etc).
@USER876: ............................MOD was talking to @pinkelephantblues: AKA BeeM. pinkelephant is a sockpuppet of BeeM. And yes, she was rude HENCE all of the flags and removed comments. She was also very rude today to another bee. BeeM and pink elephant are the same person. She created a sock puppet to come back on the bee and respond to this post.
@Carnival_Bride: exactly. And even after the bee said she is not looking for a pro's advice she just wants to see NONpro pics.. she was basically admant that her wedding pics were going to suck.
In any case, it's too bad. She obviously help mhackney quite a bit on that thread - the OP herself said she wouldn't have gotten the refund that she did (or is in the process of getting)
I'm not really sure how posting a 'you're not a photographer' website in response to a comment of anyone can take a good photo violates the TOS. If a non-photog posted that link, would they have gotten banned? Or was that the technicality found to ban her because she was rubbing people the wrong way?
I always appreciate knowing that if I post a photog-related thread, I'll get honest advice from the pros. I may not agree with it or decide to go another way, but I think they are a valuable resource for brides who don't always know what to look for or ask. I take it with a grain of salt because I know they are pros, and are giving advice from that perspective.
I don't think they ever go out of their way to be mean but really are trying to help.
@Carnival_Bride: I was pertaining to HER not me, for the male / female thing. I don't think every male on here has a Mr. in front of the name nor is it required, and absolutely shouldn't be assumed.
@ neutrino..... I don't buy it....but who knows You really think BEEM came back on here and responded to this post as the first thing she did?
http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/my-coworkers-think-im-farting-really-loudly-but-im-really-not
Because it's a wedding forum. I just assume most posters are female. You have pointed it out multiple times that you are a man. I would have assumed that BeeM would have done the same. Therefore, I assume she is a female.
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