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On the subject of contentious legalization battles, do you think gay marriage should be legalized at the national level?
Hell yes. It is ridiculous that we continuously, as a nation, think it is our job to rob people of human rights. It makes me sad to live in Utah because I'm sure it will be one of the last states to legalize gay marriage if it is not mandated on a national level. As soon as I'm done with school here though I will be outta here!
I voted yes, because i think that it is the right thing to do, but I have a question and please forgive me for being ingnorant. What is the difference between marrage and a civil union?
My province held the first legally recognized same-sex marriage in the world! I know that I can't claim any responsibility for that, but it still makes me happy.
I feel that it should be left to a state to decide.. where I live it's illegal and knowing how Utah is, it'll probably be illegal forever :/ i feel like people should marry whoever they want in a civil wedding.
I think the fact that it's still illegal in certain states and in certain countries is just ass backwards. I can't believe this is still even a debate in this day and age. remember when interracial marriage used to be illegal? yeah, it's just as ignorant as that.
I used to be anti-gay marriage...but when I thought that, I didnt actually KNOW any gay people. Now that one of my good friends is gay, I cant imagine telling her "nope, no marriage for you lezzies" because shes in love with a woman. How can people loving eachother be a bad thing ever? Seriously. And what business is it of ours to tell them no?
@Lemma: so awesome though isn't it...you can take some responsibility, why not ;)
IN MY OPINION :)
I Voted no because of my convictions as a Christian and what the word of God says (which is the foundation of my beliefs and convictions) that homosexuality is sexual immorality.
That being said. I dont think that homosexuality is a "worse sin" than lying, or lusting over another mans wife, or greed, or premarital sex, etc. Sin is sin. Plain and simple. they are all in one category and Jesus came to deliver us from sin and give us eternal life.
If I was to say "yes" then I would not be that good of a christian would I?
I stay true to my beliefs in my faith and although its probably the least popular one, it is what I believe is the right one.
I do not live in a state where gay marriage is legal, but I feel that gay marriage should be legal. I don't think anyone should tell you who you can and can't get married. In some states people can marry their uncles, cousins, etc....if marriage was so sacred that would not be possible. Also, if marriage was so sacred people like Kim Kardasian would not be getting married and then divorcing 72 days later. Regardless of whether the state lets them get married or not they will continue to be together and be a family. I love the video that I hope most people have seen of the 19 year old who grew up with two mothers and gave a speech to Iowa to try to get them to legalize it. It's very powerful!
@cubaneli: Not trying to be rude here but do you not believe in the principle of seperation of church and state? Because that is a principle that the U.S. was founded on. I have no problem if you want to view homosexuality as a sin but gay marriage is not a religious right, it's a human right.
Yes I think it should be legal nationwide and hopefully oneday, worldwide
I voted that I am sad that gay marriage is illegal in my state. I am all for gay rights. I AM a Christian. Open hearts, open minds, open doors.
@thisismeAXiD: well said...that is what it is supposed to be about
@thisismeAXiD: love what you said :) I'm a christian as well and I feel like gays should be able to marry. I felt a little guilty when I was answering questions to my priest when he was interviewing FI and I before setting our date at the church, and he asked that by marrying in the catholic church that I acknowledge marriage is only between a man and a woman, and I said yes even tho i don't fully agree with that :/
@imalittlebirdie: Marriage provides a number of guaranteed rights that civil unions simply do not provide. For example, when a partner lives in a different country, it is much more difficult to obtain a green card when in a civil union than when in a marriage. There are a number of legal complications that arise from civil unions that married folks don't face. Civil unions aren't necessarily recognized out of the state in which the union was obtained, and partners can only make emergency medical decisions for each other within the registered state (whereas with marriage, one can make med decisions across state lines). Tax laws are punitive to those in civil unions. There's more, but those are the highlights.
@cubaneli: Just to give another Christian perspective, I am a Christian and I consider my openmindedness toward people of all sexual orientations to be the most Christian interpretation of the central message of the Bible, which to me boils down to one thing: love one another. So no, I don't agree that you would be a bad Christian if you supported gay marriage. You are entitled to your opinion, but I just wanted to share that not all Christians believe as you do, and indeed, my faith encourages me to support the union of two people who love each other, regardless of their gender.
@thisismeAXiD: I really like this. People like you make religion look good. I'm not religious cause in my experience religious people has been hipocritical and judmental and I don't want ot be part of that, so it's refreshing to know not everyone's like that.
Marriage is a right. How can we live in a society where crimes are overlooked, but two inloved people can't get married?
ETA: @mckernae: :)
mckernae : Thank you! I had been told by a prof. that they were the same thing, so that was why I was confused. That makes much more sence. My answer stays the same however, that I belive that gay marrage Should be legal, and Yes, I am Christian, and this...
John 13:34 "A new commandment I give unto you, That you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another."
im down under and i dont think i even know a gay person and im very pro equal rights when it comes to marriage
@imalittlebirdie: No problem! It actually motivated me to look up the specific differences online, which I've been meaning to do for a while now. I've known that there are distinctions, but I couldn't name them before writing that, so I should thank you for asking :). Also, I cannot believe your prof said that! It really irks me when people in positions of authority spread misinformation.
@Coffee cup: I was actually pretty anti-Christian for a while b/c I grew up in a small conservative town where the majority of religious people (at least the vocal ones) were just as you described. Now I'm married to a super-liberal pastor (a fact that still surprises me sometimes) and most Christians I know are very openminded and laid back, so my perspective has changed a bit :).
@thisismeAXiD: agreed!
I have always thought that loving my neighbor and not judging were more important than telling someone they can't do something. The choice to marry should be up to the individual and it is between them and God. I have gay friends and I don't see how their marriage would ever affect me in any way legally or spiritually. It makes me sad that some people aren't allowed to marry their soul mate in 2011!
@imalittlebirdie: I hope this is helpful, it is something that we are currently having to work through.
To follow up on the differences a bit more... in a heterosexual marriage a child conceived (with medical assistance using donors) does not have to be adopted by the non-birth parent... for same-sex couples they currently have to adopt a child intentionally conceived (sometimes even their biological child) to obtain the parental rights.
In the case of death even with wills, powers' of attorney, and other legally constructed protections the surviving partner can sometimes lose their right to the estate if a blood relative fights it in probate court.
If a husband gets his health insurance through his wife's (or vice versa) company they do not have to pay taxes on the cost of the health insurance... not the case for a same sex couple in a registered domestic partnership or civil union. The estimated value of the health insurance is taxed for same sex couples.
Taxes are also really not fun because you have to file as married or partnered at the state level and single at the federal level which changes things quite a bit and makes the preparation a little messy so you have to be extra nice to whomever prepares the taxes...
There are many many more differences, I think there are something like 1200 protections that civil marriage has that civil unions or domestic partnership do not have...
AND the kicker, same-sex couples that are registered or married have to travel with "their papers" to prove that they really can visit each other in a hospital (worst case scenario) or gasp rent a car together and have 2 drivers on it, without having to pay additional driver fees (married couples don't have to show this proof, their word is good enough)...
Forget about the country I live in, the church I got married in will wed same-sex couples. I wouldn't call any of the ministers 'bad Christians' for doing so.
I'm a Christian and I'm against gay marriage and civil unions. I believe that God meant for marriage to be between a man and a woman. Like cubaneli said, homosexuality is a sin and I don't think that should be rewarded with the benefits that marriage gives (taxes, etc). I also think that straight people living together shouldn't get the benefits of marriage unless they're actually married.
natbug21: I believe in the separation of church in state the way the founding father's meant: I should be able to worship God as I choose without having to be in a state-run church.
However, God set up the first marriage between Adam and Eve. You should'nt try to remove God from something that He ordained. God meant for marriage to be between a man and a woman. Two men or two women coming together is unnatural.
I realize my beliefs will be unpopular, but I just base them on what the Bible says. But, that doesn't mean I hate gay people. Hate the sin, not the sinner. It's only by God's grace that I'm not in that situation myself.
thank you ladies for sharing your opinions. I respect every single one of your views and I understand that not everyone believes like I do and not everyone shares my views (barely anyone according to this poll) and that is ok.
I just want to say that to me the title “christian” means to be christ-like. and If I accepted Jesus Christ as my savior, I have to accept him wholly and have a relationship with him. & if I accepted him entirely then I accept God’s world entirely. Its not about feelings its about fact. I cannot only accept bits and pieces of the bible because I like them better.
I agree with you ladies, Jesus commanded us to love one another many times in the bible.
John 13: 34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
-NIV
He said to love how He loved us. He loved us unconditionally. I love everyone equally. My best friend in high school came out in our sophomore year. I loved her then & I still love her now. I just don’t agree with her lifestyle. But I love her unconditionally.
I just think this “love one another” verse is being taken out of context.
we cannot ignore what I Cor. 6:9-10 says. or what Leviticus 18:22 says.
I know that there are many “open-minded christians” who support gay marriage and simply choose to ignore all the verses in the bible that oppose it. Just like many “christian” couples have sex before marriage and choose to ignore the fact that the bible says that fornication is a sin.
unfortunately many people that are christians don’t know who Jesus Christ really is. He is my moral teacher and my savior. Read his word and you will get to know him better.
@Goodatlove: Separation of Church and State cuts both ways. You can't have the freedom to worship without allowing others to choose their religion without government interference.
My question for those who are saying no based on religious issues, is if you think that everything your religion teaches should be illegal. Should working on Sunday be against the law? Can someone be tossed in jail for mixing linens? And whose interpretation of the bible should we use when making these laws? Slippery slope.
@mckernae: If I could Like this, I would. That's the crux of our faith. I think so many people sadly miss the point. We can't go around judging people, because it's not our job to judge. It's our job to love. It's hypocritical to judge homosexuals when in Corinthians it is clearly stated that women are not permitted to speak in church and must cover their heads. Does anyone condemn the women who no longer follow this rule? No. In fact, many female pastors are welcomed. Do we stone disobedient children like we are told to do in Deuteronomy 21:18-21? No. The original passages mentioning that "a man shall not lie with another man" referred to the practice as "unclean". The Bible also says that mixing fabrics is unclean (Deuteronomy 22), and that planting a field with two different types of seed is unclean (Leviticus 19).
I always remember this quote from the Easter sermon in the movie Chocolat: "I want to talk about Christ's humanity, I mean how he lived his life on earth: his kindness, his tolerance. We must measure our goodness, not by what we don't do, what we deny ourselves, what we resist, or who we exclude. Instead, we should measure ourselves by what we embrace, what we create, and who we include."
I dont think you can choose who you love. You fall in love with who you fall in love with. I would hate for someone to tell Me i cant marry the person I love.
And I dont get how anyone can use the god card when talking about if gay marriage should be legalized because of seperation of church and state. Kids dont say the plege of allegence in school anymore because it has the work god in it. So why would god be able to say who the government allows to get married?
@Goodatlove: While that may be your interpretation of seperation of church and state, that is not the meaning of it, far from it actually. Also, it is your OPINION that god ordained the first marriage between Adam and Eve, and your opinion should not govern the lives of others. Marriage is a civil right that is not now and has never been dependent upon any one religion or religion in general for its justification, existence, or perpetuation. Again, it's your right to believe that homosexuality is a sin but the rest of the population should not have to adhere to your beliefs.
@cubaneli: So are you saying you believe in EVERY single thing the bible has to say? Because that, I'm sorry, is NUTS. And how dare you presume to tell other christians that they do not truly know their savior, Jesus Christ. Have you ever worn pants? Because if you have then that is an abomination in god's eyes. The bible also says that if a girl gets raped in the city and doesn't cry loud enough for anyone to hear her, that she should be stoned to death. Have you ever spoken in church? Better not from now on because as a woman you are not permitted to do so. The bible also talks about slavery... do you still believe in slavery? Have you ever seen your neighbor working on a sunday or have you ever worked on a sunday? Well then your neighbor and you should have been killed on site.
I'm not saying these things to disparage the bible, on the contrary I respect those who can logically interpret helpful lessons in their reading. I have no issue with the bible other than when people take things too far. The bible should not be taken word for word, though. I'm sorry but if we all followed the EXACT principles the bible taught we would be in a world of hurt.
@Goodatlove: I respect your opinion, but I disagree. Not everyone believes in God, so why should they be subjected to what you believe God says?
@Natalieh86: Agreed.
in my country they're currently discussing whether or not to legalise gay church weddings and while I don't particularly care either way if they do or not, I just find it a bit strange that any gay couples would want to be married in the church. I get the whole wanting to be married thing with all the legal, non religious implications but I really don't get why anyone would want to be married in a place where they condemn your lifestyle.
it also bothers me that the government would be telling the church that they HAVE TO allow gay marriages but that's a whole other issue.
Ladies... I just want to remind you that this is a very controversial topic and this thread may get heated. You are free to express your feelings on this topic but please keep this in mind from our commenting policy.
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Thanks for understanding.
As someone in an interracial relationship and a lover of all history, I understand the importance of a couple having the right to be married. There are some "religions" (and I put that word in parentheses because I don't believe they are) that still believe people of different races shouldn't marry (don't believe me? Just check out Kentucky this week). It's only been since 1967 that my future marriage was deemed "legal". And guess what? The world didn't fall apart and God didn't come down and rain fire and brimstone on all of the beautiful couples and children that came forth.
It amazes me in 2011, nearly 2012, that gay marriage has yet to become legal. Two people love each other and make that committment before the state -- as legal marriage is not actually before God, but before the state, first and foremost. I respect those who have a religious conviction against gay marriage, but I have a religious conviction that says "love conquers all" and all all equal before God's eyes.
Absolutely. I firmly believe that couples of any way, shape or form should have the 'choice' to be married. I know many long-term gay/lesbian couples who have been in loving, stable relationships just as long as Mr. J & I - why should they miss out on being officially married in the eyes of the law? Times are changing, and the legal documents need to hurry on up and get with them.
I cannot believe that we live in a world that habours such gross inequality. Love and marriage should be an intensely private matter and state should have no say.
I am truly mortified that there are still people opposed to gay marriage. It's like saying 'i was born straight so I deserve rights you do not'. You know when else this opinion was popular? During the holocaust, during suffrage, during slavery. I could continue but I won't. Sexuality is as easily controlled as nationality, race, or gender. I wish everyone who opposes gay marriage would stop to think they could have just as easily been born gay.
Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but I really wish everyone could respect the rights and beliefs of others as well. It's called EQUALITY.
I feel that if we are a nation are not going to allow gay marriage based on religious reason then on that same stance I feel that people who are not members of the abramhamic religious that forbid gayness should be allowed to marry. Instead we should come up with another legal term that represents love and commitment between two people.
Personally I am all for calling it partnerships or something not gender specific. Parnter sounds way better then husband or wife because it insinuates equality, which is something the orginial concept of marriage isn't based on.
I am pagan, and it is not fair that I can marry and others can't, expectually since christians condemn my lifestyle choice just as much as they whould had I been gay.
I'm pro gay marriage. I'm also christian. I simply don't think its my place to tell someoene else who they can love. Something about that just doesn't sit right with me. Thankfully, its legal here in NYS. Yippie.
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