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I think you have some interesting thoughts...and it's okay to have questions... I sense that you haven't grown up within the faith and so you think that you are noticing something that the people around you are missing, but I'd like to suggest that the Bible is all about a fallen sinful group of people who miss the big picture a lot and make a lot of mistakes and yet are still loved by an Awesome amazing God! (I'm not suggesting that you are wrong about being uncomfortable in that church, I don't think I'd be comfortable there either...) I just want you to know it's okay to notice those details about the men and women in the Bible and to talk about them. May God continue to bless your journey of faith!
Cowboy Church, huh. Well I'm glad they didn't hand out any snakes!
When I was a kid, my family moved out to the country, and we tried going to the church in the nearby town. Their "style" just didn't seem to fit with us as well as the old church did, so my parents made the decision to drive 40 minutes back into the city each week to attend the old church. I guess the point of that story is you should broaden your search radius a bit, so to speak. You should never be made to feel like you're participating in a form of worship that you don't identify with, and it sounds like your husband wouldn't be opposed to looking for a new church anyway.
Hey Caitlanc! My whole life my mom went to church with my dad even though he believed and she didn't. I'm not sure if she got anything out of it, but I think that they both benefited from picking a church TOGETHER that they could compromise on. He was Baptist and she had grown up in Church of Christ. They settled on a Methodist church, which in general is a much more progressive branch of Protestantism. I grew up in that church and although I don't believe now, I think it was a pretty good community to grow up in. Good luck!
R and I both end up going to church sometimes for his mom. She cares so deeply about it that we just can't stand to hurt her. I'm not going to lie, I sit there and very silently reaffirm why I am an atheist. But I'm respectful and I do it because ultimately, I care much more about family than sitting through an hour of a service I don't believe in.
I think that with J, maybe you can find a compromise. Would he be willing to split Sundays, so every other Sunday you get to do a "you" activity together?
And what's Cowboy Church? haha, my city-induced ignorance is showing.
caitlanc you can tell in your post here exactly how your mind wandered during the services and how it wandered during your post! To be honest, I'd be interested in hearing your sermon / ramblings over what they were talking about - entertaining! Ever read Lamb by Christopher Moore? Funny.
Anyway, i think it's sweet that you're going to support your SO, but if you're going to go the religious route (instead of say, watching him play rugby with his friends) then he should compromise too, since it's a biggie. Maybe you could attend a local church that is a little less out there than Cowboy church for 3 weekends a month, and for the fourth, commit to driving an hour (?) out of the way to attend the Quaker or UU church you'd like to visit. If you go once a month, but make it a regular thing, you can be part of that community, too. Or you can probably watch church services online in your home. I'm agnostic so I don't know if this actually happens, but if that crying britney spears guy can get a youtube fan base, i'm sure that an acceptable church leader could put something out on the innertubes as well.
Thanks for the responses!
@Missbliss - I did actually did kind of grow up "in the faith" but got burned pretty badly by it at an vulnerable age. And I'm glad that some people think it's ok to ask questions. That has always one of my biggest problems with religion - I could never get a straight answer, it was always "just because." And I totally agree that the Old Testament has a lot of people in it who are not exactly role models but the OT God is VERY different from the NT God. Forgiveness wasn't necessarily His strong point back then, according to the Bible. ;-)
@jenbrandner - I definitely get what you're saying but even this church is 45 minutes away and so it involves leaving by 9am and maybe getting back by noon. Maybe it's this weather getting to me but it seems like whenever I have somewhere else to be the weather is gorgeous but as soon as I get home and can go ride it gets cold and windy! (Which is exactly what happened Sunday - beautiful morning, mini blizzard in the afternoon.) The closest towns with churches I think I would like are a solid hour's drive away. (Not to mention we're on a pretty tight budget and I notice the drop in my gas tank.)
@mouse - Thanks so much for the encouragement! One of the reasons I'm so game to find a church we both like is for the community. I could easily continue to be a "bad" influence on him for some time (his church attendance has slowly dropped to nearly nothing since I've been around). It's also neat to hear a situation where the man believed and the woman didn't. So often it seems like it's always the other way around.
@lilyfaith - I still want to find a church we can both agree with because of future kids. He wants to raise them in a church and I'm fine with that so long as I can still tell them to question everything. :-) But I also don't want it to be so conservative that I disagree with nearly everything they're taught and wind up being the Heretic Mommy.
Cowboy Church is actually pretty cool in it's roots. It didn't really have a home but gave the cowboys a place to gather when they were on the road (usually in the arena). And was rather down to earth and simplistic. Then it got big. This particular branch used to meet in a roping arena (chairs were drug out on to the dirt), lots of singing, etc. I still disagreed with somethings that were said but I could also appreciate a lot of it. Then it got bigger. They bought an old bar and converted it and now it seems huge. The service has changed (like our friend who came with said, there wasn't a message or lesson. She just talked at us.) and there are flat screen tvs with the song lyrics or the pastor's face when they're talking, etc.
Ironically, while my thoughts are rather oh, let's say progressive, I still think churches should be pretty traditional. (I failed to see how playing a clip of Braveheart during the service last time we went had anything to do with anything.) I don't want televisions or microphones. It shouldn't be big enough that you can sit that far away, IMO.
@Melissa -
Yeah, my mind occasionally tries to go 100 different directions at once. And I was actually totally fanasizing about having a transcript of the service so that I could make notes on it! And not all sarcasm but also other things I have questions on that I would enjoy talking to someone knowledgeable about.
Like how the pastor was talking about how we're the "Bride of Christ." So I thought of all the other references in the Bible about "Man and Wife" and how that is taken literally (so as to exclude homosexuality) but that "Bride" is obviously not otherwise men would be SOL! Is it picking and choosing what's to be followed or is there something else in there that I missed?
Oh man. There were so many little things! And not being able to discuss them probably what makes it so difficult. If we could spend the drive home dissecting the service then I would probably be ok with it because I would be able to talk it through but J doesn't like to do so because he doesn't feel comfortable arguing something he doesn't understand completely. (Probably something I should try to do as well actually but that's not how I work.) And because I love debating that's not a very good combination. Especially since I actually know the Bible better than he does. (Thank you, Catholic School.)
I've thought about alternating weeks at the UU but I've never pulled the trigger and made us go. I really want the first one to be acceptable and not too far out there for J, or either of us for that matter. So it has been really nice that they actually post their upcoming topic on their website and I can sort through them. But go figure, the one weekend I was going to push to go we were out of town. The other haven't really drawn me in (when I think to look.) We should probably just go and see. Who knows. Maybe I won't like it there either.
Whew! And now I've written a novel! I should step away now. I hope at least some of it makes sense although I think I probably just talked myself in a circle...
@caitlan - interesting post again! I'm skeptical of showing Mel Gibson movies @ church, too. :-X Didn't they get that memo?
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We went to "Cowboy Church" this Sunday because that's where my husband went for some time before we met and still considers it his home church. I haven't gone very many times but have always felt rather uncomfortable there. Apparently it's not just me. Even J had to admit that they've gotten a bit more out there every time we go. (When the pastor has to say, "don't worry, we'll never pass out snakes because this pastor hates snakes" even as a joke, it's a sign. Not to mention the "speaking in tongues" a few months ago.) While he didn't say straight up that he wants to find somewhere else he did mention wanting to check out the place just down the road from our new house. Hopefully they're a little more down to earth. I've tried finding a middle ground before but there's no Quaker group in Cheyenne and the UU church is a little too out there for him, both of which I would likely be comfortable with. Unfortunately, while there are a ton of churches in town there isn't a lot of variety.
I know I could just stay home but that doesn't feel right for me. I don't really mind going in general since I think I can still learn a lot and it's good for me to push my comfort zone but it's really hard to be "productive" and get anything out of it when I'm either in nearly constant disagreement or when my mind wanders, following what amused me and therefore missing something I might have benefited from. For example, the pastor was talking about how Abraham was willing to sacrifice his only son. I got sidetracked by continuing to read and being amused by the "daddy issues" that seemed to get passed along. (Issac is deceived by his son, Jacob, who steals the birthright and then his son, Joseph of the Technicolor coat fame, is beaten and sold into slavery by his jealous brothers, etc, etc.) I totally missed whatever they were talking about after that. Oh, and the little listing of who all Jacob had sons by (his two wives and their two handmaidens) was rather distracting as well.
Anyways, I guess there's not a real point to this. I was just wondering if any other bees do this and how they manage. If you do, how do you manage to come out without a bloody tongue from biting it so many times?